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You don't think Bernie is the best candidate?
Whether he is or is not, I simply do not put politicians on pedestals nor partake in cult mentality.
I do find casting a write-in ballot for another or choosing a third party candidate when a toad like Trump likely benefits is madness.
I get that. But I find Bernie to have the best policies. I don't think you can fault @Red Dreams on idealism.
Not at all, and that post was being funny in response to @fishfingers15. It's not meant as a disrespect.
Bernie should run as an Indie (unless selected as a VP) if not nominated by the Dems. I presume he won't for 1) not enough money, and 2) would probably favor the GOP by siphoning votes from the DNC.
And we end up voting for the best of a bad bunch again.
The GOP is playing this like pros vs amateurs.
I believe that's because the GOP corporate establishment pivots when their own base pivots whereas the Dem corporate establishment refuses to listen to their base and decides instead tries to force their base to buy into their elitism.
As linguist Lakoff points out, they use polls differently as well. The Dems use polls to ostensibly create a platform to match the results whereas the GOP uses polls to figure out which language plays well and which doesn't and then adjusts their framing accordingly.
Republicans vote for whoever is the candidate. Church-going, bible quoting, flag waving, freedom loving, moral chest thumping, slavery apologists will vote no matter how bad is the candidate as long as abortion and same sex marriage is on the table. Democrats will debate endlessly about the suitability of the candidate and sit inside the house where 2 Supreme court nominations and the 2020 census were relevant issues in 2016. After proceeding to electing Trump, the same guys who sat out the elections or voted for write-in candidates cry about Pelosi not doing enough and how voters can never be wrong.
Republicans vote for whoever is the candidate. Church-going, bible quoting, flag waving, freedom loving, moral chest thumping, slavery apologists will vote no matter how bad is the candidate as long as abortion and same sex marriage is on the table. Quoted from @fishfingers15
This is the issue.
The Republicans don't ever waver on these beliefs even to the point of children in cages.
This is the issue.
The Republicans don't ever waver on these beliefs even to the point of children in cages.
Quite. So it’s time to get rid of them isn’t it.
Yes. But we need the collective. We can't be infighting because that's exactly what they want.
But that’s the problem here at the moment. You are all playing into the hands of the GOP. It’s all well and good wanting a more progressive candidate but spoiling ballot papers, not voting and such is not the way to get one. It the way to get another 4 years of a heartless, money-grabbing dictator and traitor as President. Any of the Dem candidates have got to be a better than that option surely.
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I honestly feel like we'd rather fight each other about what we want and then go after the evil. Rather than go after the evil then fight about what is it that is most important.
This is why they are winning. THEY have a common goal. We don't seem to.
This is why they are winning. THEY have a common goal. We don't seem to.
Yes, It’s the evil you need to fight first then you can tackle the rest. But if you don’t tackle the evil first then it will take over and you won’t be able to do anything else.
Catch 22 due to morals.
Take the sensible road and it should keep you on track to do the right thing.
Johnson / Weld Libertarian - 4,489,341 3.28%
Stein / Baraka Green - 1,457,218 1.07%
That happens almost constantly in local elections too.
Johnson / Weld Libertarian - 4,489,341 3.28%
Stein / Baraka Green - 1,457,218 1.07%
ok?
What are you trying to get at here?
Johnson / Weld Libertarian - 4,489,341 3.28%
Stein / Baraka Green - 1,457,218 1.07%
That all Libertarians are republicans and all Green party voters are Democrats, so republicans vote more for a third party candidate than Democrats. It's stupid, but hey ho
If he does this then any future SCOTUS rulings against him are likely to be overridden by EO too. There goes your rule of law folks.
He’s been listening to someone tell stories about Andrew Jackson again.
Does this mean that all disenfranchised republicans vote libertarian and all disenfranchised dems vote green ergo dems vote more with the party no matter what than republicans? Is that what you are trying to say?
Johnson / Weld Libertarian - 4,489,341 3.28%
Stein / Baraka Green - 1,457,218 1.07%
Thanks for empowering the EO Cheney.
This is just mostly for show. If he writes the EO it will immediately be challenged and spend years litigating in court way past 2020. He's basically a fish out of water flapping about going no where
He’ll write the EO, quickly get the question printed on the Census forms and then sit back and let it get litigated. The Census forms will then go out with the question on them. He does what he wants.
What is Census? Can someone explain?
That fishfingers and other centrist's narrative that all Republicans get behind Republican candidates and its the progressives division that costs them elections is all a myth.
Republicans are just as divisive in their own party as Democrats. Conservatives have sub-groups that refuse to vote for the mainstream parties in greater numbers than liberals yet their establishment never tries to turn everything into a scolding of the activists.
A related point is that these people generally misinterpret why people are not voting. People are not "protest voting" in great numbers. It's that the two parties simply can't attract these people to vote for them. Its an important distinction. As I said earlier, I don't see many "protest votes". I see millions that feel completely uninspired by corporate centrists and they are so busy simply trying to survive that the MSNBC/Chris Cuomo message doesn't even reach them. The Democrats have to replicate their strategy with Obama 2008 and drive turnout with an inspirational progressive message or people will just tune them out. Its not a protest vote, its simply that the marketing of the Democrat Party sucks.
It means that more disenfranchised Republicans will vote 3rd party and refuse to buy into the "you must vote for only one of the two major parties or you are a horrible vote waste" yet its always the establishment Democrats whining about it.
Census; a survey to count the population. Usually done every 10 years. It’s used to gather data on demographics such as race, etc.
Also used to figure out how many political representatives a state gets, as that’s based on total population as is Federal funding.
Also used to figure out how many political representatives a state gets, as that’s based on total population as is Federal funding.
Cheers for the well written response. Appreciate it as I know it takes time and effort.
@oneniltothearsenal - But if Greens aren’t disaffected Democrats, then how can we be sure that Libertarians are disaffected Republicans?
It's proper bullshit that people who don't vote are not voting because sanders is not the general election candidate. I think sanders is the best candidate, am I a centrist? Or am I a pragmatist because I will vote for the democratic candidate?
We can never be sure of the exact mix from where a candidates votes are from. And of course independent registered non-partisans like myself will form a chunk of both voting blocks. Also this type of data can't account for people that switched parties or left a party before the election. But if we look at the numbers:
2012 Voted Libertarian: 1,275,971
2012 Voted Green: 469,627
2016 Voted Libertarian: 4,489,341
2016 Voted Green: 1,457,218
Registered Libertarian Party members: 511,277 (July 2017)
Registered Green Party members: ~250,000
* Also it might be relevant to pull out California's numbers which I don't think are representative of anywhere but California (Jill Stein roughly doubled her national average percentage wise in California)
In CA 478,500 went Libertarian (3.37%)
In CA 278,657 went Green (1.96%)
I think its pretty clear that more disaffected Republicans voted Libertarian in 2016 than disaffected Dems voted Green
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4th of July hijacked in a shameful display of ego.
Your extrapolation of number is not the truth.
Why?
Should people be forced to cast a vote? Or should they vote (or not vote) as their conscience dictates?
I personally would vote for the Democratic nominee. But I don't get this angst at those who aren't as pragmatic. It can be argued that pragmatism has set a good amount of people back in the post Reagan era (there's a good article in the Washington paper today regarding this)
At the very least, blame the losing Democrat for not sending the climate and pivoting sufficiently enough.
Or more people in the generation of new voters that emerged between those elections found themselves more concerned with individual rights issues or environmental issues and sided with the Libs and Greens.
I can't see that happening. The census is already being printed and it would be a monumentally difficult, timely and very, very costly exercise getting it changed now.
I mean, I wouldn't put it past him, and he may well try, but I just think he's left it a bit late.
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