Why is it contentious in principle to have a citizenship question (perhaps it should be a nationality question) on the census form? It seems rather odd to me not to have one.
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The question is not condusive to accurately determining the overall population of the United States.
The census exists to count everyone in the country, regardless of citizenship status. It’s a needless question and could lead to an inaccurate count due to low participation.
Ever?
I read up on it briefly earlier today and the citizenship question was contained on every census conducted between 1890 and 1950, but has been absent since then. I suppose, for me at least, it's a bit like the 'contentiousness' around the issue of voter ID laws. I find that one even more strange.
Is there a trend from 2012 -> 14 -> 16 -> 18 for libertarian and green votes? No, the 2016 presidential election stands out.
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Written 5 hours ago...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...uestion/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2e3d87b7c3b7
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...uestion/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2e3d87b7c3b7
Is a trend necessary for a new social movement?
Dirty fecking Republicans.
Given that I don't live in the US, I have little awareness of the specifics around such issues. Although it's perhaps a little easier to predict the interpretations that those from the opposing ends of the political spectrum will have on them.
People tend to view things through the prism of their own experience I suppose and every census form I've ever completed has contained a nationality, and passport iirc, question on it. It's also mandatory to bring some sort of official identification, like a passport or driver's licence, with you in order to vote in an election.
Yes. How else would you quantify a new generation with different views entering the voter pool?
All you see is a spike in one election in 2016.
What are the odds on Trump getting re-elected btw?
It seems a pretty safe bet right now.
It seems a pretty safe bet right now.
The cencus. Little donkey little donkey
The census exists to find out who's a citizen and who's not .
This statue of Mrs Tramp is...interesting.
Statue of Melania Trump unveiled in Slovenia to mixed reviews:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/05/melania-trump-statue-slovenia-sevnica
Statue of Melania Trump unveiled in Slovenia to mixed reviews:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/05/melania-trump-statue-slovenia-sevnica
Which is what I said could have happened... that they showed themselves for the first time as a voting bloc in 2016.
If it is new, how can there be a trend?
That’s not true. It exists to find out how many people are living within our borders.
Where did they go in 2018? Why weren't they there in the 2016 congressional races? Do you expect the same numbers in 2020?
@Carolina Red you said it. The Declaration states, “We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness….”
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore,” she wrote. “Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore,” she wrote. “Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
You wouldn’t expect to see them in a midterm election where there’s no national libertarian or green candidate running.
Now in 2020, it’s a possibility. If it happens again, then I’d say yes, it shows a new voting bloc did form.
If they determine that out of 700,000 people in a congressional district there are tens of thousands who do not hold citizenship, they will work to exclude those people in the population when redistricting. That can change congress a great deal.
Not once in those did they say. Make sure you sign in
Freedom. Is freedom from oppression. If you're not a criminal
the voteshare for both parties dropped in 2018 compared to 2016 and 2014 *congressional* elections.
Do you think you can find him for the census
Okay. That can be easily explained by apathy or frustration caused by the Trump administration’s obvious rejection of what their values are.
Not sure where you are from. But it is natural to distrust a government that historically has used otherwise common sense tools to suppress voting.
For example. An ID, required to vote, should be easy to get right? Well what you see is that states that previously engaged in voter suppression with poll taxes and arcane literacy tests (this one is my favorite) now create these arduous loopholes that make it impossible for many to get IDs, hence keeping the vote down in practice.
Without the history of feckery, then a citizenship question or an ID requirement for voting would be kosher.
America is a uniquely odd place. I used to share your same thoughts as to why something like voter Id or a question as to if you are a citizen is seen as bad and undemocratic voter suppression. It seems so odd as these are normal things where I live. But in the United States these things affect them differently than it would affect where I live. A citizenship question wouldn't affect the true census of my country because we don't have a huge imigrant population or an entire country of undocumented workers. Where I live doesn't have a huge cultural devide. My political parties don't have ideological differences or voters of different demographics or race or income. So it's hard to fathom certain things like a citizenship question for me at times. But then you remember that the republican party is evil itself and if they are hell bent on doing something it's in their own self interest. Which is exactly what this census citizenship question is. It's simply a way for them to further their war on brown people
I know what Occam’s Razor is.
A new group of young voters voting in a national election but not a midterm isn’t some far fetched hypothesis.
Ireland (NI).
That all assumes that the government is a never changing entity, handed down through some sort of aristocratic order. Although prior to Trump a Bush or a Clinton had held a cabinet position since the '80s...
In other words does there come a point where such positions actually perpetuate that which they seek to remedy? If America is still contending with these kinds of issues 40 or 50 years from now, then something's really not right.
This country is still dealing with the Civil War and Reconstruction, so we definitely are dealing with issues from the Civil Rights Era.That all assumes that the government is a never changing entity, handed down through some sort of aristocratic order. Although prior to Trump a Bush or a Clinton had held a cabinet position since the '80s...
In other words does there come a point where such positions actually perpetuate that which they seek to remedy? If America is still contending with these kinds of issues 40 or 50 years from now, then something's really not right.
And it is historically true that the conservatives have pursued a campaign of voter suppression of people of color since they gained the right to vote with the 15th amendment.
What is the end point though? Can you describe the destination.
If this is in reference to voter ID issues, I watched a couple of videos on Youtube in the last half hour which are interesting -
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I’d love to live in a South where the majority of the white population doesn’t say “we lost the Civil War”.
Fair enough. How would someone from the North answer the question though?
Rather than just posting YouTube videos (of street interviews?), could you perhaps describe your position yourself?
“We won”
My point is, it doesn’t matter what region you’re from. I was born and raised in South Carolina, USA. We won the Civil War.
Think about what it says about a society where people still think they’re part of a wannabe country that ceased to almost exist 150+ years ago.
"The data obtained from the 2020 census is used for the allocation of congressional seats and the distribution of billions of federal dollars to states and localities over the next decade.
The Trump administration claimed the citizenship question on the census questionnaire is necessary to better comply with federal voting rights law. Critics argued it is an attempt to intimidate noncitizens and Hispanic households and will lead to a decline in response rates and underrepresentation of minorities.
Following the 2010 census, Republicans drew favorable maps in enough states that the party's hold on a House majority was all but guaranteed until 2018 -- and to cement their legislative majorities in a host of swing states. Because the GOP's voters are whiter and more spread geographically, while non-white voters tend to back Democrats and are more concentrated in urban areas, a census that counts fewer non-white people could help Republicans draw favorable maps that would last another decade."
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/27/politics/census-supreme-court/index.html
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I already have.
I can see the issue regarding the inclusion of a citizenship question given the current state of American politics and the particular history, and possible gerrymandering, mentioned by others in the thread. I don't think it's contentious in principle however as the census is conducted so that governments can properly plan for the future, which begs the question of whether its current absence is desirable in perpetuity.
On voter ID though, I think it's ridiculous that someone could vote without having to provide it.
Those videos are quite fecking awful. Why would you post videos which are quite so fecking awful?
Forget the blatant manipulation and general fallaciousness, let alone the erroneous lead in, if I wanted to get a general overview of how informed Americans are and black Americans specifically, then I wouldn't go to Harlem. Given it's history (Renaissance etc.) I'd expect black people in Harlem to be far more clued in (which extends to voter registration and identification) than your average American of any colour.
Awful videos.
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