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Gandalf Greyhame said:
I find it sinisterly brilliant how Trump, whoever his puppet master may be, has crippled the Democrats and insured himself with this shutdown.

From the robustness of his approval ratings
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Huh? His approval rating has been steadily declining since the shutdown, and it's continuing to do so. Polls show that a fairly large majority of people blame Trump, and not the Democrats. Trump has basically completely misplayed the shutdown. He shut the government down, which is unpopular, to build his wall, which is unpopular, and is threatening to call a state of emergency to do it, which is unpopular. And on top of that he's made it politically impossible for the Democrats to actually cave in and give him the wall that he so desperately needs to please his base.

Some of you guys really need to stop buying into the Trump Masterplan theory.
 
Why am I not surprised that the Trump organization got in bed with the foul spawn of one of the dumbest, and most odious people to have ever walked this earth.
 
Ahh well isnt that nice for Trump, Cohen and Jerry to fall into things against the law catagory.

The IRS continues to make it clear that political campaign intervention by 501(c)(3) organizations including churches is absolutely prohibited.

Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity. Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes
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Not sure if this snippet has appeared before but if not the Trump "go round the wall" video is worth a look.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Yeah grassroots of Democratic party will be thrilled when Pelosi and Schumer give the 5.6 Billion with some silly concession over dreamers that will never come to fruitition. PResident shuts down the government over a policy issue and you want the opposition party to say kumbaya and dance? Jeez
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Say what now? Yeah that's exactly what I meant when I said they should be bringing up progressive issues constantly during the shutdown such as Medicare for All, Green New Deal and the Amendment to overturn Citizens United and use those demands as leverage because that is a proven Pareto optimal strategy unlike the one they are currently employing :rolleyes:

Would be rather nice if the staffers to Pelosi, Schumer and my own Representative could acknowledge that such an Amendment even exists which so far they currently play ignorant at.
Can you tell me what the offices of your Representative and Senator said in regards to the Amendment to overturn citizen's United?
If not, can you call your Reps and Senator and ask them for me? Thanks bro
 
niMic said:
Huh? His approval rating has been steadily declining since the shutdown, and it's continuing to do so. Polls show that a fairly large majority of people blame Trump, and not the Democrats. Trump has basically completely misplayed the shutdown. He shut the government down, which is unpopular, to build his wall, which is unpopular, and is threatening to call a state of emergency to do it, which is unpopular. And on top of that he's made it politically impossible for the Democrats to actually cave in and give him the wall that he so desperately needs to please his base.

Some of you guys really need to stop buying into the Trump Masterplan theory.
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Its fecking laughable. Watch the video of him being deposed, he's a fecking idiot, a lucky one but an idiot none the less. Anyone that has known or dealt with him who doesn't have to kiss his ass to get something will tell you that.
His company is a mom and pop operation run from a home office and it's nowhere near as big as they make it out to be. People need to inform themselves before they start talking about 4d fecking chess and familiarize themselves with the Roy Cohn playbook.

He said he likes to have a busy desk, like a 5 year old playing business man, I used to do it myself. In his office his desk is piled with magazines that mention his name or has his face on it. My mortgage documents would take up an office desk easy but he thinks that makes him look smart but notice how the oval office desk is practically empty when he is at it. Simply because he doesn't understand anything that's put on it. Don't believe me? Just read up on the copious amount of reporting from insiders who say he is as dumb as a rock and understands nothing.

Chris Hayes said last night that he just wants to be a pundit not a president. That's the truest fecking thing out if all this mess. Pretty sure the only one that wanted this was Don jr., everyone else was set to make a career in right wing media out of the corrupt liberal media and the evil president Clinton.
 
niMic said:
Nah. People have been saying this for years now, and it's never made sense. If this really is some kind of masterplan from Trump, then it's a pretty shit one considering his approval rating is low and getting lower. In this case the simplest answer is probably true: Trump isn't a genius.

There's also the fact that he frequently makes mistakes and then quickly deletes and tweets again with the proper spelling. Most of the time it's not reported on, and hasn't had time to be reported on. He really isn't doing it on purpose, he's just an idiot.
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I never said Trump is a "genius" with a "masterplan". In fact that was my whole point - he doesn't have to be because the Democrats are yet to take advantage of this. They are too busy celebrating meaningless polling to take advantage here and push progressive policies. As Gandalf mentioned (italics added by me):
"From the robustness of his approval ratings [within his base], from the way his defenders on Fox news and twitter vociferously gobble up his lies, from the astonishing immunity with which he's survived every single scandal - it is quite apparent that all of the Democrats' planned moves against him once they had the House have been crippled. You can't subpoena his tax returns right now, you can't bring notice to your own legislation, you can't build towards a 2020 campaign - everything will look like a political move until the Shutdown is over. Trump had made his move, and now he's stopped the Democrats from making theirs. That is the brilliance of this shutdown, it brings the 'blue wave' to a slow stagnation." Also his entire base is thrilled with the shutdown. Even if some congressional Republicans don't like it, he doesn't care because they disliked him in 2014 and then he didn't have the bully pulpit.

As long as Trump's approval hovers around 40% in general and above 80% in his base he is fine. Its way too early for any dip in polling for Trump to mean anything for 2020. Trump's trade-off is a dip in the approval from the general population and he wins valuable time to prepare plus his own base digs in harder. The Democrats were gearing up for a month to plan to attack Trump, subpoenoa this and that, and now they are stuck unable to do anything and unwilling to talk about anything except trying to blame Trump. The Dems could flip this if they actually tried to push for progressive issues by by throwing huge demands at Trump - give us Medicare for all, Green New Deal and Amendment to overturn Citizen's United. That would bring issues we actually care about most into the conversation and start forcing Trump's hand more. Yes Trump is an idiot but Schumer and Pelosi are not proving any more competent and certainly not competent enough to convince me the Dems can win in 2020. Currently the Dems are trading off a lot of strategical important moves they could be making simply to brag about 53-55% of Americans blame Trump more for the shutdown? And they actually think that changes the dynamic for 2020 in any way?

Again as Lakoff keeps saying they still haven't learned to fecking assert their own frames and are still just using Trump's language to argue. They haven't listen to Sun Tzu
"Whoever is first in the field and awaits the coming of the enemy, will be fresh for the fight; whoever is second in the field and has to hasten to battle will arrive exhausted. Therefore the clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy's will to be imposed on him."
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Say what now? Yeah that's exactly what I meant when I said they should be bringing up progressive issues constantly during the shutdown such as Medicare for All, Green New Deal and the Amendment to overturn Citizens United and use those demands as leverage because that is a proven Pareto optimal strategy unlike the one they are currently employing :rolleyes:

Would be rather nice if the staffers to Pelosi, Schumer and my own Representative could acknowledge that such an Amendment even exists which so far they currently play ignorant at.
Can you tell me what the offices of your Representative and Senator said in regards to the Amendment to overturn citizen's United?
If not, can you call your Reps and Senator and ask them for me? Thanks bro
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What you said in this post is 'Shutdown benefits Trump and GOP' and Pelsoi and Shumer are playing into Trump's hands and are naive by going with the polling data that blames Trump for shutting down the government. I personally think that it is as ridiculous as it gets. Dems didn't shut down the government and clearly want no part of the wall, which has now become a symbol of Trump's campaign promises.

You seem to think that this wall money is a good trade off for getting something in return. I don't know if the majority of the grassroots feel the same. Either way, do you seriously think Trump/GOP will consider doing any of the items you listed in exchange? I don't think so, but I' not on any of the negotiations so far and I don't know what transpired either way. I'm just saying that it is ridiculous to blame Schumer and Pelosi for being naive here.

Do I ask you 2 dollars every time I read one of your long rambles? Why is there a prerequisite like calling my rep to reply to your posts? :lol:
 
"The idea of prayer rugs popping up on the border dates back to at least 2005, when congressional Republicans pushed the rugs as proof that terrorists were attempting to infiltrate the US from Mexico...

...Since then, the idea of prayer rugs being discovered on the border as proof of a terrorist invasion has recurred every few years on the right."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump...wing-meme-about-muslim-prayer-rugs-at-border/
 
2cents said:
"The idea of prayer rugs popping up on the border dates back to at least 2005, when congressional Republicans pushed the rugs as proof that terrorists were attempting to infiltrate the US from Mexico...

...Since then, the idea of prayer rugs being discovered on the border as proof of a terrorist invasion has recurred every few years on the right."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump...wing-meme-about-muslim-prayer-rugs-at-border/
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They should check the creek down the street from me, it would look like Mecca to these right wing idiots.
 
It'd be funny if they had 'WELCOME ' on them.
 
ChaddyP said:


more witness tampering
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As per usual, the moron is completely missing the point. Cohen was charged with those crimes because he lied to protect Trump and under instruction from Trump. He's such a fecking moron. Mueller must be pissing himself each time Trump Tweets and Trump's lawyers must cringe or pull their hair out. He's openly bullying a witness in front of the whole world. He's So used to getting away with what he wants, he really does feel empowered and untouchable. Delusions of grandeur on steroids.
 
I bought this one last year from Linen Chest. Area rug or prayer mat?

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I'm a jihadi aren't I? :nervous:
 
fishfingers15 said:
What you said in this post is 'Shutdown benefits Trump and GOP' and Pelsoi and Shumer are playing into Trump's hands and are naive by going with the polling data that blames Trump for shutting down the government. I personally think that it is as ridiculous as it gets. Dems didn't shut down the government and clearly want no part of the wall, which has now become a symbol of Trump's campaign promises.

You seem to think that this wall money is a good trade off for getting something in return.
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It depends on what you get in return. If you actually got something meaningful like Amendment to overturn Citizens United, Green New Deal, steps towards a public option then yes 5b for border security with Democrats controlling the budget would absolutely be an outstanding trade-off.

Just getting DACA back would be a lousy trade-off and not worth it.

fishfingers15 said:
I don't know if the majority of the grassroots feel the same. Either way, do you seriously think Trump/GOP will consider doing any of the items you listed in exchange? I don't think so, but I' not on any of the negotiations so far and I don't know what transpired either way. I'm just saying that it is ridiculous to blame Schumer and Pelosi for being naive here.
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The strategy is not dependent on the GOP caving on the progressive demands. Even if they don't give in that is not the entirety of the strategy. The Dems would have still moved the national conversation towards progressive issues, taken away the advantage Trump has in framing (see Lakoff's critique of media and the Dems) and forced the media and public to talk about meaningful issues instead of just this pointless shutdown.

And I don't think Pelosi and Schumer themselves are naive. I think they don't give a feck about meaningful progressive issues like medicare for all, green new deal and the Amendment to overturn Citizen's United. Hell, I know they don't care about the last one because their offices keep pretending they don't know it exists yet. This is why they are grand standing like this. Because they really don't want to push for the issues that Ocasio-Cortez is pushing for. They want a return to the New Aristocracy status quo is all.

Its their fans that are spamming the internet with their "53-55% of polling blame Trump more than Dems for the shutdown! Take that Tramp we are winning" that I believe are the ignorant and naive ones.


fishfingers15 said:
Do I ask you 2 dollars every time I read one of your long rambles? Why is there a prerequisite like calling my rep to reply to your posts? :lol:
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Its not a prerequisite. Its a call to action for you to do something positive and beneficial instead of just trolling Redcafe
 
Delusions of Granddad:

Yesterday, Trump claimed that he was 'one of the most popular people in the world' before the election.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
It depends on what you get in return. If you actually got something meaningful like Amendment to overturn Citizens United, Green New Deal, steps towards a public option then yes 5b for border security with Democrats controlling the budget would absolutely be an outstanding trade-off.

Just getting DACA back would be a lousy trade-off and not worth it.



The strategy is not dependent on the GOP caving on the progressive demands. Even if they don't give in that is not the entirety of the strategy. The Dems would have still moved the national conversation towards progressive issues, taken away the advantage Trump has in framing (see Lakoff's critique of media and the Dems) and forced the media and public to talk about meaningful issues instead of just this pointless shutdown.

And I don't think Pelosi and Schumer themselves are naive. I think they don't give a feck about meaningful progressive issues like medicare for all, green new deal and the Amendment to overturn Citizen's United. Hell, I know they don't care about the last one because their offices keep pretending they don't know it exists yet. This is why they are grand standing like this. Because they really don't want to push for the issues that Ocasio-Cortez is pushing for. They want a return to the New Aristocracy status quo is all.

Its their fans that are spamming the internet with their "53-55% of polling blame Trump more than Dems for the shutdown! Take that Tramp we are winning" that I believe are the ignorant and naive ones.




Its not a prerequisite. Its a call to action for you to do something positive and beneficial instead of just trolling Redcafe
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I have no idea what to make of this post. Ocasio-Cortez is a freshman Congress rep with great ideas. Schumer and Pelosi are negotiating with Dick Mitch and Trump to get the government to run again, which is like the basic minimum function required of them. Having nearly a million people held hostage over policy issues isn't how I would want my government to run anyway.

Regarding call to action and trolling Redcafe, instead of writing walls of text here you may as well go to Washington DC and start a hunger protest about Green New Deal and Citizens United. It would surely be beneficial than responding in a football board with very limited US Citizens. Thanks bro
 
fishfingers15 said:
I have no idea what to make of this post. Ocasio-Cortez is a freshman Congress rep with great ideas. Schumer and Pelosi are negotiating with Dick Mitch and Trump to get the government to run again, which is like the basic minimum function required of them. Having nearly a million people held hostage over policy issues isn't how I would want my government to run anyway.

Regarding call to action and trolling Redcafe, instead of writing walls of text here you may as well go to Washington DC and start a hunger protest about Green New Deal and Citizens United. It would surely be beneficial than responding in a football board with very limited US Citizens. Thanks bro
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I am not surprised. Your posts sound like whatever shallow thinking is on MSNBC - repeating the corporate partisan lines of establishment Dems and not providing any real logic or in depth discussion of why you even feel the way you do.

If you actually feel what Pelosi and Schumer are doing is the best of all possible worlds (which is all your posts imply) then bully for you I suppose.

I'll continue to bring up meaningful progressive issues like universal healthcare based on the public option, a green new deal and the Amendment for overturning Citizen's United wherever I feel it necessary whether that be to congressional staff or on this message board.
 
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