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Republicans have a solid message on immigration. That is, reduce the immigrant population by whatever means necessary, doesn't matter if they are legal or illegal. Democrats do not. They don't know what to do with caravans, dreamers, loopholes in current laws, reform on existing laws etc. Perhaps it is easier to just trying to reduce the flow all the time, like NRA with guns. All they need to do is identify any legislation that threatens gun proliferation and create a loud noise around it and see it fail. They don't have to figure out a working system to replace the existing law. I believe that's the same problem with immigration as well. All republicans need to do is look at things that help immigrants and take out one by one and they don't have to worry about comprehensive immigration reform. That being said, I think even Sanders would want a courtroom resolution for this instead of a political solution.

However, I'm not sure about any deal protecting recent legal immigrants. We are completely at the mercy of memos from USCIS. There is no need of executive orders as well for protecting legal/illegal immigrants. What is this about?

i think reason democrats dont have a solid message is because they are afraid to make a moral case because they dont want to alienate these people.

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and thats why i think the republicans could get bipartisian support for permanently ending birthright citizenship if they grandfathered it in
 
To be fair Eboue, this personally doesn't affect me much because I have decided that I'm not going to live in this country anymore and my last day will be decided by USCIS adjudicating my extension in the next two weeks and I would like my daughter to choose India as her country as well. I'm genuinely interested in how you interpret this as not a lot of countries have this in the constitution. I loathe the motive of why Trump is doing this. Apparently he raged that just because you are born in this country, you are not entitled to all privileges.

Highlighting the migrant caravans, revoking the 14th amendment - these are all Trump and his acolytes desperate last ditch ploys to keep control of the house by race baiting and fear-mongering. First of, he won't pass an executive order to revoke the 14th amendment; and even if he does, it will be challenged and won't stand in the supreme court. They have no message on taxes or healthcare, so the "Browns are taking over" narrative is the only thing left for them. The Dems are doing well by not falling into these traps and keeping on message.

Your daughter will be fine if she chooses United States citizenship.
 
Not happening - https://amp.businessinsider.com/trump-birthright-citizenship-14th-amendment-experts-2018-10

It's as the link i provided suggested, a "hail mary" to garner support, it's also worringly an act of being a dictator trying to change laws that are enshrined via his use of executive orders, very unconstitutional and obviously not for the first time but then again he hasnt tried to change any of the Amendments of the Constitution on his own... till now.
 
Highlighting the migrant caravans, revoking the 14th amendment - these are all Trump and his acolytes desperate last ditch ploys to keep control of the house by race baiting and fear-mongering. First of, he won't pass an executive order to revoke the 14th amendment; and even if he does, it will be challenged and won't stand in the supreme court. They have no message on taxes or healthcare, so the "Browns are taking over" narrative is the only thing left for them. The Dems are doing well by not falling into these traps and keeping on message.

Your daughter will be fine if she chooses United States citizenship.

She's 4 years old, so it's not like a pressing decision for her actually. Again, I'm happy whichever way she chooses once she turns 18 if it remains a choice to her till that time.

As for your first part, I definitely agree that this is a ploy to get mid term votes but I'm not sure if he will think twice to pass an executive order to that effect. I think he will pass it and then blame the courts for stopping it and then would want more judges and turn it into an issue to mobilize Republicans.
 
This is all to just change what is headline news and as usual its working.

Healthcare and taxes. Rinse repeat.
 
How many of the people who've been saying for years that you can't change the constitution over the second amendment will now be all for changing the constitution over immigration?
 
How many of the people who've been saying for years that you can't change the constitution over the second amendment will now be all for changing the constitution over immigration?

On the other hand, how many of us have said 2nd Amendment is arcane and needs to be amended to reflect changing times while arguing 14th Amendment should be interpreted as-is? I'm no legal scholar but I read in politico that it is vaguely phrased. More interesting is how originalists will interpret the wording.
 
Not happening - https://amp.businessinsider.com/trump-birthright-citizenship-14th-amendment-experts-2018-10

It's as the link i provided suggested, a "hail mary" to garner support, it's also worringly an act of being a dictator trying to change laws that are enshrined via his use of executive orders, very unconstitutional and obviously not for the first time but then again he hasnt tried to change any of the Amendments of the Constitution on his own... till now.

Just read this and seems like it won't survive a legal challenge. But would be an interesting test to the partisanship of the SC for sure.
 
Binding the 2A argument for this is a fools errand. If they rule it unconstitutional to change the 14A, it makes it much harder to get the 2A changed in future.
 
Declares himself a Nationalist, sends an army down to the border and ready to end birthright citizenship. If this does not get the racists out to vote nothing will.
 
Highlighting the migrant caravans, revoking the 14th amendment - these are all Trump and his acolytes desperate last ditch ploys to keep control of the house by race baiting and fear-mongering. First of, he won't pass an executive order to revoke the 14th amendment; and even if he does, it will be challenged and won't stand in the supreme court. They have no message on taxes or healthcare, so the "Browns are taking over" narrative is the only thing left for them. The Dems are doing well by not falling into these traps and keeping on message.

Your daughter will be fine if she chooses United States citizenship.

Are you sure? I bet the GOP wins the midterms, the Dems are completely out of touch with the American people.
 
On the other hand, how many of us have said 2nd Amendment is arcane and needs to be amended to reflect changing times while arguing 14th Amendment should be interpreted as-is? I'm no legal scholar but I read in politico that it is vaguely phrased. More interesting is how originalists will interpret the wording.

I don't know enough to know whether they can be so easily linked tbf, I was being rather glib.
 
Are you sure? I bet the GOP wins the midterms, the Dems are completely out of touch with the American people.

How so? I mean compared to the GOP? And how are the polls looking, btw?
 
Are you sure? I bet the GOP wins the midterms, the Dems are completely out of touch with the American people.

What does winning the midterms look like? Right now the generic polls are showing at least an 8% advantage to the Democrats. It won't help them in the Senate, but it's very likely that they will retake the House. And that's despite the fact that the House map is very biased in favour of the GOP.
 
Fcuking Hell America... there honestly can't be a dumber country on the planet.

You've got a fabulous amount of smart feckers. But by and large you're as dumb as a bag of rocks.

Every day feels like a new low.
 
He doesn't hope to gain any new supporters, the biggest battle is to get his supporters to the polling booth which is what this call to arms is expected to accomplish. The same is true for the other side as well.
Yep, both parties supporters have become very partisans and Trump takes advantage of it.
 
Are you sure? I bet the GOP wins the midterms, the Dems are completely out of touch with the American people.
The GOP are? That's a scary thought...

ou've got a fabulous amount of smart feckers. But by and large you're as dumb as a bag of rocks.
They don't listen to the 'experts' tho. Kinda like us...
 


lmao at don's voice


Surely using Don Jr’s face in an advert to get you to vote is the equivalent of Virgin Airlines using a picture of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17?
 
Declares himself a Nationalist, sends an army down to the border and ready to end birthright citizenship. If this does not get the racists out to vote nothing will.

If you think the Democrats have a cohesive plan for immigration, you'd be wrong. Historically, Democrats supported strong borders because they knew American workers could never compete with illegal immigrants. Democrats and union leaders have known that peasants from Latin America will always work for less than Americans will, that's why employers prefer them. Most Democrats opposed unchecked immigration because it hurts American workers (it's simple supply and demand). For example, after the fall of Saigon in 1975, Dem governor Jerry Brown opposed letting Vietnamese refugees into California on the grounds the state already had enough poor people. As he put it, "there's something strange about saying let's bring 500,000 more people when we can't take care of the one million Californians out of work". His administration tried to block refugee flights to Travis Air Force Base near San Francisco. Senator Joe Biden agreed, and even introduced legislation to curb the arrival of the Vietnamese. A couple of decades later, President Clinton said that 'Americans are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold may otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public services they use impose burdens on our taxpayers.' Then-Senator Obama said that 'we are a generous and welcoming people here in the US, but those who are in this country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law... we simply cannot allow people to pour into the US undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country'. 'Immigration reduces the wages of domestic workers who compete with immigrants explained Paul Krugman in the NYT in 2006 - 'we need to reduce the inflow of low skilled immigrants; mainly that means better control on illegal immigration." Senator Hillary Clinton voted for a fence on the border with Mexico. So did Obama, Chuck Schumer and 25 Democratic Senators.

So what's changed? Not the economics of it - the law of supply and demand still holds. I think it's a cold calculation by the democrats informed by the following reasons:
1) There are 10-20 million illegal immigrants living in the US
2) Dems plan to give all of them citizenship
3) Overwhelming majority of first-time immigrant voters vote Democrat
4) Biggest landslide in American Presidential history was only 17 million votes

Do the math - the payoff for Democrats is a permanent electoral majority, simple as that. The Dem strategy has fckall to do with anything else but attaining power.

I leave you with the words of Harry Reid, the former Democratic Senate leader:
 
What does winning the midterms look like? Right now the generic polls are showing at least an 8% advantage to the Democrats. It won't help them in the Senate, but it's very likely that they will retake the House. And that's despite the fact that the House map is very biased in favour of the GOP.

Winning the midterms for the Democrats means winning the Senate and the House to stop the Trump agenda. I don't see it happening.
 
Why were all those people in Charlottesville worried about Jews 'replacing' them? What exactly did that mean?

They believe there is a global Jewish conspiracy to end the white race by flooding predominantly white societies with third-world migrants, i.e. 'replacing' white Americans with Jose and Leticia and white Europeans with Jamal and Ayesha.
 
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"And today we honour great Jewish leaders: Abraham Lincoln...Noah...um...Jewbacca...Jewey Lewis..."
 
Are you sure? I bet the GOP wins the midterms, the Dems are completely out of touch with the American people.

As much as 10% more Americans will vote Democrat than Republican in the upcoming midterms. And they'll still lose the senate.

If the dems are out of touch, the GOP are seriously screwed.
 
...featuring Jew Barrymore.

I always feel that if Trump is supportive of certain people/races, he must in hock to them.
 
Binding the 2A argument for this is a fools errand. If they rule it unconstitutional to change the 14A, it makes it much harder to get the 2A changed in future.
If Republicans were against the 2nd amendment they would successfully argue the "part of a well regulated militia" in court, force every gun owner to join a militia and the ban militias. Same way they do to family planning clinics, you can operate here depending on the length of the grass when I do my inspection.
 
If Republicans were against the 2nd amendment they would successfully argue the "part of a well regulated militia" in court, force every gun owner to join a militia and the ban militias. Same way they do to family planning clinics, you can operate here depending on the length of the grass when I do my inspection.

Yup, exactly. Originalism or whatever intellectual doctrine seems to be a convenient tool to get whatever their preferred result is.
 
Kanye apparently distanced himself from Trump saying he feels used. This is surely the end??
 
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