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RedChip said:
Isn't this the sort of stuff they do in North Korea; telling people that they are much better off than in other countries? I suppose it serves its purpose if some of the Americans believe it. Sadly, I have no doubt there will be many of those. Americans prioritise wealth making at the expense of society.
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It can only truly work if you can keep the population totally ignorant about the outside world and control the flow of information long term that ordinary people are exposed to. Americans generally have not been travelling a lot to the outside world so that have been a big factor in stopping Americans from learning about the world and how different countries operates. It´s a method that relies on basic human psychology, and it exploits the fear of losing what little you have in your possession. When humans have very little then people tent to be very protective of that, and they become reluctant to change that could in their eyes potentially make them lose what little they have.

The fear of the unknown can be an extremely effective motivator against change when it comes from a source people trust or are comfortable with. This is what countries like North Korea depends on to keep people in check and why they go to extreme lengths to control information from the outside. The wealthy Scandinavian countries quite demonstrably shows that their state models do not prohibit the creation of wealth or prosperity for a country as they are top performers in the EU.

The left wing in America have been woeful at informing the America population about how European countries works and the benefits of different state models like comparing the U.S.A residual welfare state model to the Scandinavian´s welfare state models for example ( they have differences but i like to keep it simple here ). The American society have been woefully uninformed for decades and that have stopped any real discussion about what kind of country the United States of America should be. This is why a free tuition higher education system is also very important as it will make it harder for the far right in America to stop people from questioning the current American state model and how their society is organized or structured from a political perspective.

In the end the even the left in America have been kept uninformed and it shows how effective the far right propaganda machine have been in U.S.A. Bernie Sanders talking about Scandinavia in general could have a positive effect in terms of promoting a wide spread discussion about how America´s state model should be in the future, and hopefully inspire change in this country for the betterment of ordinary people.
 
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Are all Trump supporters white nationalists?

I never thought this true but given Trumps closing midterm strategy he certainly seems to think they are.

Honduran caravan, troops to the border, planned revocation of birthright citizenship, constant references to being a nationalist and not a globalist.

Half expecting him to turn up to his next rally with "White Power" tattooed on his forehead.
 
Donk87 said:
Are all Trump supporters white nationalists?

I never thought this true but given Trumps closing midterm strategy he certainly seems to think they are.

Honduran caravan, troops to the border, planned revocation of birthright citizenship, constant references to being a nationalist and not a globalist.

Half expecting him to turn up to his next rally with "White Power" tattooed on his forehead.
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Right-wing extremists already support him.
 
Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 said:
Right-wing extremists already support him.
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I know that. What's odd is Trump gambling that all his supporters are on board this train. He's being extremely overt with his rhetoric and clearly believes his supporters will be entirely accepting of this.
 
Donk87 said:
I know that. What's odd is Trump gambling that all his supporters are on board this train. He's being extremely overt with his rhetoric and clearly believes his supporters will be entirely accepting of this.
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It's all about motivating the base with 'loud' issues. Most aren't overtly racist.
 
This joke of a human said he can end birthright citizenship with an executive order. I hope Muller nails this cnut to a wall before xmas.
 
Donk87 said:
I know that. What's odd is Trump gambling that all his supporters are on board this train. He's being extremely overt with his rhetoric and clearly believes his supporters will be entirely accepting of this.
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It's not out of the blue is it? Contrary to what certain caftards might have thought.

It was there from the beginning, he's been increasing the rhetoric since and the base has pretty much remained. He's crunched the numbers he knows what he's doing.

Let's see what happens...
 
Adisa said:
It's Congress that can do that surely?
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I was also under the impression that an amendment of the constitution can only be removed through another amendment. He is a delusional cnut so it's more likely that an aid of an aid mentioned that he should do it so that automatically becomes "many people" in this asshole's head, if that person has a law degree then it becomes "many great scholars". Im so sick of bullshit and dumb people.
Regardless, this is just another bullshit argument I have to have with trump supporters.
 
afrocentricity said:
It's not out of the blue is it? Contrary to what certain caftards might have thought.

It was there from the beginning, he's been increasing the rhetoric since and the base has pretty much remained. He's crunched the numbers he knows what he's doing.

Let's see what happens...
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You're right it's been there from the beginning but not to such a degree as recently. He's really gone all in.

His approval amongst his base remains the same but the GOP share of the electorate has been shrinking. Last I checked it was 29% in 2016 and down to 26% earlier this year meaning 10% of Republicans have abandoned the party.

For sure this type of rhetoric will appeal to a portion of his base but if he's not careful he could end up depressing the vote amongst current GOP members uncomfortable with this approach.

Or maybe that's just wishful thinking.

Organic Potatoes said:
It's all about motivating the base with 'loud' issues. Most aren't overtly racist.
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So they're covertly racist?
 
Donk87 said:
For sure this type of rhetoric will appeal to a portion of his base but if he's not careful he could end up depressing the vote amongst current GOP members uncomfortable with this approach.
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Hope so mate.
 
GiddyUp said:
This joke of a human said he can end birthright citizenship with an executive order.
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It wouldn't come off as a surprise if he actually could do just that. Having the SC on lockdown certainly opens up a whole range of new possibilities....
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Get a load of this subtle/not so subtle feckwittery. Outrageous again.

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I don't want to wade into a sect discussion, but my understanding is that they consider themselves one of the many branches of Judaism. Now indeed the majority of other branches don't consider them Jewish in faith but Christian. Yet the Christians consider them Jews, rather than Christian too. So there's some controversy indeed.
https://www.jewishvoice.org/read/blog/difference-between-messianic-judaism-and-christianity

Anyhow, I don't know if that was done intentionally or not. I think people are perhaps reading too much into these, confusing incompetence with malice.

Trump's daughter has converted to Judaism, married an Orthodox Jew and is practising Orthodox Judaism herself. Jared Kushner, her husband is a close confidant of Trump. Trump's fixer and personal confidant, is lawyer Michael Cohen another Jew. Trump's Secretary of the Treasury is Steven Mnuchin, yet another Jew. I could go on.

If anything, there's huge over-representation of Jews in the current Trump administration. To suggest he's subtly pushing an anti-Semitic agenda is a bit preposterous.
 
RedChip said:
Indeed. Could be a base rate bias. The population of London and Auckland together is just a little over 0.1% of the world population. Even if your circle is 0.1% of the populations of London + Auckland, it is still a small base from which to estimate worldwide numbers.

I would say ~ 2% atheists worldwide sounds credible, considering the high levels of religiosity in Asia, Africa and South America.

I guess you should also differentiate the 'non-religious' from atheists; there are many more of the former.
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Probably. I'm also full of shit. I jotted down some guesses and had 50% of people I know as 'non-religious'. Asked a bunch and very few of those people qualified themselves as aethiest.

I made the wrong argument.
 
Grinner said:
But which jobs are Mexicans taking then?
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The one that Fox News say are.

Anti Immigration views are most popular in the places with the least amount of immigration. Both anti immigration and anti semitism are not based on any martriual reality but out of such things - fear, anxiety, a lack of a way to politically view yourself and the world around you, bigoted myths, propaganda etc..

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If your Trumps base then it's this

 
Grinner said:
It takes a lot of anger to actually go out and march like that though.
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That's a principal tactic of all extremists - target the angry. ISIS, the KKK, the Black Panthers, the IRA all do the same thing. Co-opt legitimate grievances, warp them for their own means, and exploit the angry, the poor, and the lesser educated. If you are feeling marginalized by society, the idea of a group with the same anger and frustration is probably a very compelling draw.

In the US, the social change of the last 50 years has come at the expense of the priviliged. And when you are priveleged, a move towards equality is a step back. So now we are seeing members of those priveleged classes just as angry as the others and they're joining forces with the lower classes of the white majority, intent on protecting themselves from encroachment.
 
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I mean, are these guys really religious? Or do they just pretend to be?

shabadu84 said:
That's a principal tactic of all extremists - target the angry. ISIS, the KKK, the Black Panthers, the IRA all do the same thing.
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BPP is not the same as the others (contrary to what the FBI would have you believe). I kinda get your point but just want to point that out.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Trump planning to put an end to the 14th Amendment

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/30/trump-end-birthright-citizenship-947962

Wonder how Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh, the originalists of the constitution vote on this when legal challenge comes. If it applies to people who already qualify for a US Citizenship, my daughter won't be US citizen anymore.
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genuine question: do you think the democrats will fight for you on this? because from what i see on twitter (which isnt representative) it doesnt seem like that.
 
Eboue said:
genuine question: do you think the democrats will fight for you on this? because from what i see on twitter (which isnt representative) it doesnt seem like that.
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To be fair Eboue, this personally doesn't affect me much because I have decided that I'm not going to live in this country anymore and my last day will be decided by USCIS adjudicating my extension in the next two weeks and I would like my daughter to choose India as her country as well. I'm genuinely interested in how you interpret this as not a lot of countries have this in the constitution. I loathe the motive of why Trump is doing this. Apparently he raged that just because you are born in this country, you are not entitled to all privileges.
 
fishfingers15 said:
To be fair Eboue, this personally doesn't affect me much because I have decided that I'm not going to live in this country anymore and my last day will be decided by USCIS adjudicating my extension in the next two weeks and I would like my daughter to choose India as her country as well. I'm genuinely interested in how you interpret this as not a lot of countries have this in the constitution. I loathe the motive of why Trump is doing this. Apparently he raged that just because you are born in this country, you are not entitled to all privileges.
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i think guaranteeing citizenship to all people born here is one of the few good things this country has ever done. i think anyone who doesnt defend it is a coward and will never get my vote. and sadly i think democrats would gladly make a deal with trump on this as long as it protected recent legal immigrants and they got 2 weeks to go home and campaign.
 
Eboue said:
i think guaranteeing citizenship to all people born here is one of the few good things this country has ever done. i think anyone who doesnt defend it is a coward and will never get my vote. and sadly i think democrats would gladly make a deal with trump on this as long as it protected recent legal immigrants and they got 2 weeks to go home and campaign.
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Republicans have a solid message on immigration. That is, reduce the immigrant population by whatever means necessary, doesn't matter if they are legal or illegal. Democrats do not. They don't know what to do with caravans, dreamers, loopholes in current laws, reform on existing laws etc. Perhaps it is easier to just trying to reduce the flow all the time, like NRA with guns. All they need to do is identify any legislation that threatens gun proliferation and create a loud noise around it and see it fail. They don't have to figure out a working system to replace the existing law. I believe that's the same problem with immigration as well. All republicans need to do is look at things that help immigrants and take out one by one and they don't have to worry about comprehensive immigration reform. That being said, I think even Sanders would want a courtroom resolution for this instead of a political solution.

However, I'm not sure about any deal protecting recent legal immigrants. We are completely at the mercy of memos from USCIS. There is no need of executive orders as well for protecting legal/illegal immigrants. What is this about?
 
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