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The only hope I hold out is Mueller and Trump actually being arrested for serious crimes after evidence is produced, and enough of it to absolutely show how corrupt he is. I do believe for this to happen though that scores of arrests will need to be made and that must include Democrats too. We all know the corruption isn't isolated to just the Republicans, yes it may be far worse, but it's not all one sided and the results and evidence of that must be presented to help placate what could arise if and when Trump is exposed and charged.
it's not going to happen, the justice department will pass the buck to congress, they will impeach him and the senate will find him innocent because republican senators don't want to get primaried
 
But so what? And what for? He can still continue to be President unless it is for treason or bribery, and we all know his supporters will just see it all as a massive witch hunt and not believe any findings. The Dems can start as many investigations as they like but he will still have enough support to fight back.

The only hope I hold out is Mueller and Trump actually being arrested for serious crimes after evidence is produced, and enough of it to absolutely show how corrupt he is. I do believe for this to happen though that scores of arrests will need to be made and that must include Democrats too. We all know the corruption isn't isolated to just the Republicans, yes it may be far worse, but it's not all one sided and the results and evidence of that must be presented to help placate what could arise if and when Trump is exposed and charged.

I've seen hundreds of people saying they are willing to fight and that this is what the 2nd amendment is for. They fully believe it's to bear arms in defence of Trump if the corrupt Dems bring him down. Yes much may be hyperbole, but I have seen more than enough to think many are actually serious. I certainly don't think it can be taken lightly or ignored anyway.

The so what is that its still incredibly damning and embarrasing for any President to have to go through an impeachment process and have the I word forever affixed to their name. When you combine this with whatever Mueller puts out in the end, he would be a wounded animal going forward.
 
The so what is that its still incredibly damning and embarrasing for any President to have to go through an impeachment process and have the I word forever affixed to their name. When you combine this with whatever Mueller puts out in the end, he would be a wounded animal going forward.

I get that but I don't think Trump gives a shit and if anything it would just add fuel to his fire and aid his long term cause. Also, Clinton was impeached and I rarely hear it mentioned, more how popular he was or about his infidelities.

I can see how it would hurt Trump at the voting booth though, especially with independents and the Republicans who refuse to accept the Trump brand of politics.
 


Erm... I'm fecking lost for words on this one. He has absolutely no self awareness whatsoever and is clearly clueless to anything and everything but his own bubble.

I..... nope..... this one has it all. Hypocrisy, racism, insults, naivety, ignorance...


Thanks Cherokee Nation, now Imma use what is essentially a racial slur against your community to defame a political opponent. Hope you don't mind.
 
I do not think Warren comes out of this very well. 8 generations prior, the most likely ancestor is something like 200 years ago, and 1/256? I would be really surprised if the average American doesn't have more than this.

"Best" case scenario, 6 generations prior is still 1/64 (not 1/32 as reported). I dont see many contexts (including medical) where this would be considered having "native american ancestry" in practical terms. Though technically correct, it's as dumb as me saying I have African ancestry, with all members of my family until at least 4 generations prior being white. The average (white) Portuguese has something like 2 to 3% admixture with African haplotypes so, around 1/32.

This, right here, is the problem. In what way does it actually matter whether Warren is super Cherokee or notsomuch Cherokee except in so far as it feeds some manufactured Republican narrative?

She never claimed to be Pocahontas, she once requested a modification on a personnel form in 1989 to reflect what her mum told her when she was a child - ie that she had some Native American ancestry. The Republicans have so successfully leveraged this minor detail into some gigantic fraud perpetrated against America itself that you have dudes doing the Tomahawk Chop and whooping in public at the mention of her name. It's a fecking farce to say that Warren doesn't come out of this very well when the Republican party is engaged in this sort of racist stupidity. It's also possibly quite true.
 
It's a fecking farce to say that Warren doesn't come out of this very well when the Republican party is engaged in this sort of racist stupidity.

Well, I agree completely with you. I meant she didn't seem to come out very well when she decided to fight back with a DNA test, specially one with suh a "weak" result. She doesn't come across well from a republican/Trumpian point of view, not mine.

She should have dismissed it from the start by saying it's irrelevant, "I just put it in there because there were family stories about it, I am not really sure, maybe I'll make a test out of curiosity".

This way of responding is playing right into their antics. I can see Trump mocking her about her great-great-great-great-great-grandfather anyway.
 
Well, I agree completely with you. I meant she didn't seem to come out very well when she decided to fight back with a DNA test, specially one with suh a "weak" result. She doesn't come across well from a republican/Trumpian point of view, not mine.

She should have dismissed it from the start by saying it's irrelevant, "I just put it in there because there were family stories about it, I am not really sure, maybe I'll make a test out of curiosity".

This way of responding is playing right into their antics. I can see Trump mocking her about her great-great-great-great-great-grandfather anyway.

For a normal person sure, but if she is trying to defeat trump in 2020 then she should have a bit more political nous than shes showed here.
 
Well, I agree completely with you. I meant she didn't seem to come out very well when she decided to fight back with a DNA test, specially one with suh a "weak" result. She doesn't come across well from a republican/Trumpian point of view, not mine.

She should have dismissed it from the start by saying it's irrelevant, "I just put it in there because there were family stories about it, I am not really sure, maybe I'll make a test out of curiosity".

This way of responding is playing right into their antics. I can see Trump mocking her about her great-great-great-great-great-grandfather anyway.

Yeah, sorry - that post was angrily agreeing with you but reading it back it doesn't come across like that. To my mind it's an exercise in futility and the racist bandwagon will rattle on regardless. It's just so frustrating to see an otherwise competent challenger so easily get swept into the Republican wheelhouse of feeling the need to justify themselves against any and all bad faith smears and accusations.
 
Well, I agree completely with you. I meant she didn't seem to come out very well when she decided to fight back with a DNA test, specially one with suh a "weak" result. She doesn't come across well from a republican/Trumpian point of view, not mine.

She should have dismissed it from the start by saying it's irrelevant, "I just put it in there because there were family stories about it, I am not really sure, maybe I'll make a test out of curiosity".

This way of responding is playing right into their antics. I can see Trump mocking her about her great-great-great-great-great-grandfather anyway.

I think Liz overplayed her hand when she started talking about her native ancestry about 7 years ago, but now that we're in the present and she's definitely running for Prez - and with the knowledge that Trump will attempt to brand her as lying about her background much as he attempted with Obama - she would be smart to get ahead of the story by putting out some data, dealing with the shitshow now - before she has even declared - so that later when she does declare, the story will be generally relegated to Trump's racist Pocahontas trolling within his own base, and not one where normal Dems and Independents who she will need to get elected are concerned with.
 
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Ultimately he knows he is going to get impeached by the house if as predicted by many, the Dems retake control next month, so he is throwing as much crap at the wall to gin up GOP enthusiasm in a last minute attempt to not lose the House. It worked a couple of weeks ago with Kavanaugh, but that has now faded so he is on to the next thing.

I need your optimism in life.
 
I like Bernie Sanders but I fear for his sanity when he debates Trump. Sanders is a good person with a view to change the society for the better and the other one is a lying, deceitful conman. 'Believe you me, I have big hands and a big dick' is not what Sanders should debate. He has to do it, but I'm skeptical of the 'Sanders will beat Trump in a debate'. Trump doesn't need to defeat Sanders, he just needs to obfuscate the debate itself. Anyway, I'm all ready for Trump vs Sanders in 2020. Let's hope humanity prevails
 
I don't think there's anything Warren could have done to stop Trump using it. However ignoring it would have implied to everyone outside the Trump cult that it's the non-issue that it is, and there are more important things at stake. Best route to go down IMO. All she's done here is hand Trump another minor victory, as his supporters will perceive her as having being triggered (and they live for those moments), and the Cherokee statement actually gives Trump something conclusive to throw at her. As he is now doing.

Thats where we differ then. It is a non issue, but hes making it one. And to say nothing invites more of it. Its school yard stupidity masquerading as propaganda thats built to do nothing but distract. And ignoring it would have let it continue and escalate. Get out in front of things fast, thats the rule. The more they fester then more bullshit starts to fly. They more people chime in with theories and bullshit that some how become facts.
 
I like Bernie Sanders but I fear for his sanity when he debates Trump. Sanders is a good person with a view to change the society for the better and the other one is a lying, deceitful conman. 'Believe you me, I have big hands and a big dick' is not what Sanders should debate. He has to do it, but I'm skeptical of the 'Sanders will beat Trump in a debate'. Trump doesn't need to defeat Sanders, he just needs to obfuscate the debate itself. Anyway, I'm all ready for Trump vs Sanders in 2020. Let's hope humanity prevails

I think he would match up well in a debate against Trump, especially when you consider that Trump's political oxygen in debates comes from trolling and going negative against people who already attacked him. Bernie is so benign and likable that it would make it extremely difficult for Trump's antics to work against him, at least to the extent that most rational people (as in non-hardcore Trump supporters) would easily see through all the nonsense. That's one area where Bernie would be well ahead of all the other Dem contenders.
 


WOW! This is refreshing to hear. Sane Americans. Sane and rational Republicans. People who are sick of the divisiveness and hate and fear and constant negativity and attacks.

So glad I watched this.
 
Na Drifty, they'll lap that shit up and make endless meme posts about it, you know this.
Maybe those trolls on the internet might, but those with family and responsibilities will want substance rather than name calling.
 
The POTUS calling a woman a horseface and likely not facing any action for it at all. Incredible times.

He will pay a price with independents, especially independent women for comments like that. Certainly, any congressional candidate who says they support him will be held to account to the things he says.
 
Is there any other leader in world history with the same level of personal insults that Donald comes out with?

Unlikely....at least not in the public space. He clearly does it for effect and as a means to throw smoke bombs into the public discourse so he can shift the narrative away from areas he doesn't want it to be in.
 
Fecking hell. Give it a few more months and he'll be posting Yo Momma jokes.... And nobody will bat an eyelid.
 
I like Bernie Sanders but I fear for his sanity when he debates Trump. Sanders is a good person with a view to change the society for the better and the other one is a lying, deceitful conman. 'Believe you me, I have big hands and a big dick' is not what Sanders should debate. He has to do it, but I'm skeptical of the 'Sanders will beat Trump in a debate'. Trump doesn't need to defeat Sanders, he just needs to obfuscate the debate itself. Anyway, I'm all ready for Trump vs Sanders in 2020. Let's hope humanity prevails

Watch some Youtube clips of Bernie going after Republicans in the senate. He's not just a nice person, he's more than capable of ripping into them with huge passion and fire.
 
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