the birtherism wasn't starved of oxygen by the birth certificate, the people who believed obama smuggly thought "ha, gotcha" and the people who thought he was a kenyan muslim added isis to the list of the bad things he made
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It was in terms of its legitimacy in the media space. It wasn't taken too seriously before he produced it, but there was still a small, lingering sense of legitimacy each time Trump raised the issue. Once Obama put the certificate out, it nailed shut any hope that anything Trump said would be taken seriously outside the circle of right wing lunatics who actually believed him.
I disagree. The lesson is that Trump is unaffected by apparently 'losing' in these minor controversies he just loves to provoke. So all the risk in engaging him on them lies on the other side.
As an aside, there is quite a difference between the conclusive nature of Obama's birth cert, issued from a position of strength, and Warren's DNA test, with its caveats and unclear relation to some of the claims she's made about her ancestry in the past. She's left plenty if not more ammunition to be fired at her on this issue by publishing this.
And then he was elected President.
She obviously made the calculation that getting ahead of the story is the preferred course of action so that it gets largely played out by the time the actual campaign starts. Smart move.
Trump being elected President had nothing to do with his birther claim, so the two issues can't be conflated with any degree of credibility.
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Where did I make the claim that it did? I'm arguing that, contra to your claim that following the publication of the birth cert only a minority if whackjobs took anything Trump said seriously, his credibility was in fact unaffected by it, or not affected enough to prevent him being taken seriously enough for President.
what? him talking about the birth certificate thing is how he basically built his fanbase
It gave him an IN with the right wing, but it took a hell of alot more people than that to get him elected - including millions of independents.
14 minutes ago: no one took trump seriously outside of right wing lunatics
1 minute ago: millions of independents elected him
no it was pretty much that, the republican party welcomed and propagated the birtherism to the point where their little slime balls couldn't win a primary with dogwhistles next to a man shouting it from a megaphone then the democrats laid a golden path to the white house by spending the general election congratulating themselves that they didn't have trump
I was talking about in the mainstream media space.
That's unique to Trump's personality. He has been like this for decades.
Must be a slow news day 
What a troll. Melania laughing behind him too, glad to see she's finally shown us what we all (or most of us knew) that she's just as bad as Trump. Ironic she's laughing at her husband's side whikenhe yet again attacks a woman who he has been bullying for a couple of years now, yet Melania campaigns against bullying and is the most bullied person on the planet.
Pair of cnuts.
What a troll. Melania laughing behind him too, glad to see she's finally shown us what we all (or most of us knew) that she's just as bad as Trump. Ironic she's laughing at her husband's side whikenhe yet again attacks a woman who he has been bullying for a couple of years now, yet Melania campaigns against bullying and is the most bullied person on the planet.
Pair of cnuts.
Some quality goal post moving from Trump. Also, the grabber in chief wants to "test her personally".
You don't marry a guy like Trump if you're a decent person.
The lesson is that trump doesn’t leave shit alone, so it’s better to cut him off. You wanted to know why she didn’t just stay quiet, you have your very obvious answer.
Here he goes again. He's attacking Presidential candidates one by one. It's Bernies turn now.
What's the evidence for this?
No, I claimed that it is a mistake not to ignore him on stuff like this.
Come on Bernie release your MRA Scan results or any history of going to therapy, that'll show them who's really winning.
Oh dear.
Just because you changed your argument later, doesnt mean it wasnt your original point. The mental gymnastics youre putting yourself through must be very taxing. Lets walk through it removing trump and warren.
Person A Youre a liar.
Person B No Im not, and heres the proof Im not.
Person A Who cares what proof you have?
In your mind, person A is right. To everyone else, person A is a douchebag.
You asked "who actually gives a feck about Warren's DNA test? Are there actually people fist-pumping out there right now to discover that there's a strong possibility some really, really distant relative of hers had some native blood, just because they think it makes Trump look foolish?". So, no its about fist bumping. Its about being accused of lying, and defending oneself. Its not rocket science. Trump said who cares, well its pretty clear since he asked the question that he does. He brought it up, and neither he nor you get to pretend it didnt happen just because he got it wrong. What he should have done was apologise and move on. Instead hes double down on being a prick. But hey, its worked for him so far.
That's why they put the blue checkmark
This story is a great laugh.
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She got into the mud and wrestled with a pig.
How much do you think the 'Crazy Bernie' will have effect? So far it has worked with all (Little Marco, Lying Ted, Crooked Hillary), but I really don't think that it is going to work with Bernie (one reason for it is cause Bernie's supporters are as fanatical as Trump's own supporters).
Exactly. People need to realize that you can't play with Trump on his own game, it just doesn't work that way. Make it personal, and you guarantee yourself a defeat.
Trevor Noah of Daily Show after discussing the difference between claiming to have Native American ancestry and claiming to be Native American:
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Donald Trump going after Bernie will be a bad move from him as 26% of the Republican voters likes him, and Donald Trump badly needs them in 2020 as without them he is toast. Bernie is not like the typical crooked elitist establishment politician that is easy to smear without a backlash. Donald Trump picking a fight with Bernie will only help Bernie in the long run.
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I hope you're right. Bernie will just come hard at Trump (or whoever) with facts. If they ever got to debate stage then Bernie would be the one person I believe could really rattle Trump and get under his skin. He would just relentless call Trump out on his BS and would do what we have all been wanting the press to do since day one.... Just repeat the question to him over and over again and if possible provide the truth as well as asking the question.
and stormy has to pay his legal fees...
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I grew up in the lowest socio-economic group in Denmark and it is that type of people that makes up a massive part of Donald Trumps support. My experience with dealing with people like Trump is shattering their image of being alpha males ( group psychology ) and that requires someone with strong will power for that to succeed. If you shatter peoples perception of them as strong alpha males then they will start to lose support eventually. Facts alone won´t do it as quite evident ever since Trump started running in the primaries for President. When debating him then you really need to be relentless while stubbornly rejecting his crap and never give in to his bullshit otherwise you just end up looking like a beta male and submissive to him ( hello lying Ted Cruz ) and that is how you lose to someone like Donald Trump. A strong character that knows how to be on the offensive without using obscene language can get under someone like Trumps skin, and change peoples perception of him by forcing him to be on the defensive and thus damaging their perception as alpha males.
This is were Bernie Sanders have the debate experience and the right character to deal with Donald Trump as he has the right temperament, political views and perception from working class people to do this.
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Nicely put. I agree with that too, that's the way I see it and how I hope it transpires.
It's not. Most of Trump support is from the middle to upper classes.
more specifically, older middle to upper class - the older and richer an american the more likely they are to vote for trump
there is a minor phemon of lower classes who work in specific industries - coal, steel and manufacturing workers who vote trump but these are a minority of americas lower class and the part of his base which has seen the biggest drop in his favourability polling
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