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Appreciate the researched response, but I can't follow your logic. I'm saying giving a massive tax break is a mistake because you're decreasing government revenue. I totally agree with the burdens of healthcare and social security in lieu of the aging boomers. So if anything the government is going to be absolutely desperate for MORE tax revenues.

I think you're arguing about the multiplier effect - that each dollar given back into the economy will generate far more than that. While that's true, that's for the whole economy, I'd have to see some pretty serious maths to understand how giving massive tax breaks is going to 'pay for itself' in terms of future tax revenue. Especially as the office literally in charge of evaluating the plan (CBO) couldn't stop screaming to the rooftops how bad an idea it was. And once you've done this - particularly the corporate rate drop - you can't do it again. So when the country is in recession, you no longer have that lever to pull. Pretty much the worst time to do this was while the economy had been growing so well for so long.

Further, the great champion of this brilliant, freemarketering is none other than good old Paul Ryan. Who - given the great success of this tax plan - will of course be continuing his rise in November, with none stop cheering from supporters about the tax break. Oh what's that? He's f*cking off to work as a lobbyist for one of those who got the most out of the tax plan? Oh and the GOP have so far basically not mentioned the tax plans once in their campaigning in subsequent elections - because it's historically unpopular with their own voters? Hrm...

Finally, I genuinely used to buy some of this when I was younger. Went full John Galt for a while. But now - wealth inequality is tearing the US apart, and will one day soon become (more) violent. You look at countries with the best outcomes - education, health, happiness - they're almost uniformly what Americans would call socialist. I'm just not arrogant enough to believe that the US can't learn from those, especially given it presumably wants to still be considered a world leading country. If you want to see how Ryan economics works, go check out Kansas. The GOP put in massive tax cuts there with big promises, and now kids can't even go to school 5 days a week because they can't afford teachers.

I agree with you that wealth inequality is tearing the U.S apart but this is nothing new. It has being going on since the Reagan era that was a reaction to Carter era. I don't advocate Ryan economics but neither do I advocate the 'do nothing' approach of the Dems. I am not a fan of ex-politicians becoming lobbyists but if you have a solution to that, let me know. Personally, I am in favour of term limits as I think that most politicians only do the right thing when they know they are leaving.

But, getting back to the subject, I agree that there should be a social safety net but the reasons why the European countries have better outcomes is because they have single payer Healthcare systems that doesn't eat up all of the taxes. I am an ex-pat living in the U.S so I know what it looks like on both sides of the Atlantic. The only chance we have of something similar is 'Medicare for all' and given that one sixth of the U.S economy is healthcare, good luck trying to make that change also.

Personally, I really don't like the Medicaid program (I work in Healthcare) and that is what I would like to reform to start to tackle the problem. It pays a pittance to Providers and large providers might as well be treating the patients for free in many cases and writing it off as free care against taxes. Also, I suspect that a massive amount of money is lost through fraud/misuse of funds. How does it cost us $389b per year when the States also pay a portion of it? Here is my proposal to replace it - everyone who qualifies for Medicaid should, instead, be allocated funds to go out and buy a proper insurance in the market or they should be allowed to buy into Medicare. The govt has everyone's social security number and they should be able to link this in a database to the IRS file on what their income was that year. Then, these people should be able to provide a bank account# that funds can automatically be transferred to. Lets say we use the full $389,000000. 69 million people enrolled in Medicaid in 2018. We could give each person on $5,637 per year to go out and buy an insurance in the market place and get rid of the bureaucracy. We would still be paying for people's Healthcare but we are giving them the same Healthcare as everyone else. If we allowed them to buy into Medicare, it's even cheaper for them - I think Medicare part B premium is around $180 per month. We get rid of the additional administrative costs by streamlining the program. Instead, we have two massive big programs for the poor and old. And any time any change is proposed, the Dems scream bloody murder and say that you are trying to throw grandpa under the bus.
 

This, completely. As much as the piece takes down Trump, it tries even more to justify everything in the name of enacting all the wonderful GOP policies. It's a parachute to soften the landing for the establishment GOP members of the administration. The Trump acolytes will publicly call for blood because they know that in no other universe would they have the jobs they do. Those would benefit the most from the fallout of the end of the Trump - whenever that is - are undoubtedly the rats scrambling for life vests.
 
Do tax payers foot the bill for those?

Why hasn't a Democrat demanded a cost to date of the rallies, then asked what benefit they bring? While we're not giving federal employees a raise etc?
Guess he's paying with his money. Would be a total waste of public money if he didn't use his money.
 
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https://mobile.twitter.com/danbl00m/status/1037428190166347776?s=19
 
Ladies and Gentlemen of the Trump Cabinet: please know that you will not be accepted into the next edition of Profiles in Courage for your early whispers. If you truly believe the president is incapacitated, you should perhaps consider raising your voice to at least conversational level, if you’re not inclined to bellow from the mountaintops. Library rules are inoperative at this point.

The madness is pouring out of the White House now, for all to see:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/sep/06/white-house-anonymous-nyt-op-ed-woodward
 
A good discussion here:



Start at around 10 mins in the video.


There is certainly a two pronged meaning to the whole thing but like the guy up there on on the screenshot I posted said, it's mainly used to troll the left and make them, like so rightly pointed out in the video, stupid in the eyes of centrist. That's why I think it's not worth it to jump on the "omg he/she made the okay sign, must be a fascist."

Like you said, let's get back to focusing on if Kavanaugh is actually a viable candidate or just a partisan judge that will do whatever his party commands of him instead of holding up the law if it comes down to it.
 
Probably because things have reached critical mass and Trump is increasingly unhinged to where they think he may completely go off the rails by something like the Woodward book, another Mueller indictment etc.

I doubt this leak will change anything with the administration itself, it will only make Trump and the Q nutcases even more paranoid and dangerous if anything. Manigault Newman was a lot more damning in her assessment of both Trump and his administration, but even that is yesterdays news now.

Maybe, just maybe forces inside the GOP has started to move and come to the realization that Trump is going to cause them lasting damage as the midterm are closing in, but if it took you one and a half years to realize this man is unfit for leadership you are either thick or willfully ignorant.
 
So basically this anonymous dude is saying: we're a bunch of sell out career politicians who care more about our career than we do about our country. We know this POTUS is a fecking shitebag, but rather keep our jobs and subtlety steer him in the right (right being very relative here) direction than actually do something about him.

Give the man a nobel fecking prize :rolleyes:
 
So basically this anonymous dude is saying: we're a bunch of sell out career politicians who care more about our career than we do about our country. We know this POTUS is a fecking shitebag, but rather keep our jobs and subtlety steer him in the right (right being very relative here) direction than actually do something about him.

Give the man a nobel fecking prize :rolleyes:
I thought CNN said it wasn't a man...
 
So basically this anonymous dude is saying: we're a bunch of sell out career politicians who care more about our career than we do about our country. We know this POTUS is a fecking shitebag, but rather keep our jobs and subtlety steer him in the right (right being very relative here) direction than actually do something about him.

Give the man a nobel fecking prize :rolleyes:

You clearly don't understand the magnitude of that op-ed in NYT against a sitting president by someone in his own cabinet.
 
You clearly don't understand the magnitude of that op-ed in NYT against a sitting president by someone in his own cabinet.
I do understand that. I just don't understand people who work for a POTUS who they know is clearly unfit for his job and instead of openly admitting this and working to get this unfit, unethical, mentally impaired dickwad out of office, rather keep their job in this horrid administration and steer him into a somewhat acceptable direction.

Trump will never go down if all people do is say stuff to the NYT as an anonymous source. Trump has made sure none of his followers believe a word written in their anyway. The top government people should take responsibility and oust this clown. Otherwise they will share the blame when this administration goes down in flames.
 
You clearly don't understand the magnitude of that op-ed in NYT against a sitting president by someone in his own cabinet.
It's not clear that it is a cabinet member, we don't really know what level in the Administration the person is.

This person hasn't been elected by the American voters and is a coward. He wouldn't be a coward if he was prepared to put his job and name on the line and tell the world what he and others have been prepared to do to keep a leash on a madman.
 
I do understand that. I just don't understand people who work for a POTUS who they know is clearly unfit for his job and instead of openly admitting this and working to get this unfit, unethical, mentally impaired dickwad out of office, rather keep their job in this horrid administration and steer him into a somewhat acceptable direction.

Trump will never go down if all people do is say stuff to the NYT as an anonymous source. Trump has made sure none of his followers believe a word written in their anyway. The top government people should take responsibility and oust this clown. Otherwise they will share the blame when this administration goes down in flames.

What happened when Tillerson quit? Pompeo was only too eager to take the job and promptly get on with it. If someone like Gary Cohn quits, someone else more heinous will take his place. People quitting won't bring this nightmare to an end, it has to come from congress and until that happens, its at least a bit comforting to know there are adults in the room who'd make sure Donnie doesn't one day wake up after a bad sleep and ask to nuke some banana republic.
 
It's not clear that it is a cabinet member, we don't really know what level in the Administration the person is.

This person hasn't been elected by the American voters and is a coward. He wouldn't be a coward if he was prepared to put his job and name on the line and tell the world what he and others have been prepared to do to keep a leash on a madman.

I think the person was prepared to be exposed. There are linguistic experts who can look at paragraph of a text and precisely point out who wrote it based on prior samples. If the white house wanted to find out who it is, it won't be hard and I'm like 90% sure the person will be found and fired.
 
What happened when Tillerson quit? Pompeo was only too eager to take the job and promptly get on with it. If someone like Gary Cohn quits, someone else more heinous will take his place. People quitting won't bring this nightmare to an end, it has to come from congress and until that happens, its at least a bit comforting to know there are adults in the room who'd make sure Donnie doesn't one day wake up after a bad sleep and ask to nuke some banana republic.
If most of his senior government members are actively working to undo dumb decisions he makes and they come forward with this collectively. They openly tell the press that Trump is unfit to rule. Not anonymous, not to a reporter, but on live television. Surely that will mean his downfall?
 
It's not clear that it is a cabinet member, we don't really know what level in the Administration the person is.

This person hasn't been elected by the American voters and is a coward. He wouldn't be a coward if he was prepared to put his job and name on the line and tell the world what he and others have been prepared to do to keep a leash on a madman.

Agreed, the author of the piece is just trying to save face for the wider GOP as alluded to in a tweet on a previous page.

I also agree with @2cents that the actions being described are tantamount to a coup and if there are people inside the administration who are ignoring orders and/or deliberately working against Trump then they're on very shaky legal ground.
 
If most of his senior government members are actively working to undo dumb decisions he makes and they come forward with this collectively. They openly tell the press that Trump is unfit to rule. Not anonymous, not to a reporter, but on live television. Surely that will mean his downfall?

The place is a viper pit with a ton of back biting and settling scores, it would be hard to get 5 people together to get ice-cream on a hot day let alone act against the president.
 
I think the person was prepared to be exposed. There are linguistic experts who can look at paragraph of a text and precisely point out who wrote it based on prior samples. If the white house wanted to find out who it is, it won't be hard and I'm like 90% sure the person will be found and fired.
I think it depends on the efforts made to disguise and include known text already from others.

The op-ed only achieves anything if it brings about the initiation of the 25th amend. It can't do that anonymously and without proof.
 
Agreed, the author of the piece is just trying to save face for the wider GOP as alluded to in a tweet on a previous page.

I also agree with @2cents that the actions being described are tantamount to a coup and if there are people inside the administration who are ignoring orders and/or deliberately working against Trump then they're on very shaky legal ground.
Yes, GOP attempting to be the good guys.
 
I think it depends on the efforts made to disguise and include known text already from others.

The op-ed only achieves anything if it brings about the initiation of the 25th amend. It can't do that anonymously and without proof.

If nothing else, it adds credence to Woodward's reporting if it ever needed that.
 
I'm sorry but whilst anonymous it holds no credence whatsoever. Lends none, and holds none.

When someone shouts "fire!", it might be fire or it might be a schizophrenic idiot. When two people shout fire and its smokey everywhere, its probably wise to get the feck out.
 
When someone shouts "fire!", it might be fire or it might be a schizophrenic idiot. When two people shout fire and its smokey everywhere, its probably wise to get the feck out.
Bob Woodward's sources are anonymous. The op-ed in the NYT is anonymous. Holding a fire drill is meaningless I'm afraid, it doesn't put out the fire if you don't know where it is.
 
The only benefit this NYT op-ed has is that the fire drill might last a few more days then every other time someone has shouted fire @Wednesday at Stoke

Until a name pops up and says "It's ALL true, this happened and that happened and it was MAD" Trump will go nowhere.
 
The only benefit this NYT op-ed has is that the fire drill might last a few more days then every other time someone has shouted fire @Wednesday at Stoke

Until a name pops up and says "It's ALL true, this happened and that happened and it was MAD" Trump will go nowhere.

You're still conflating the influence of someone within the administration to congress. The admin is the Whitehouse, they can't topple their own leader, congress can. If there are people willing to write op-eds you can rest assured there's been more discussed behind closed doors.

So you might ask why they aren't discussing article 25 yet? Trump is still largely popular within the GOP voter base and they aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot before an election. If they end up losing the election, they can conveniently shift that responsibility to the democrats who are only all too eager to take the chance to shove their foot in. It will all become clearer after the elections.
 
You're still conflating the influence of someone within the administration to congress. The admin is the Whitehouse, they can't topple their own leader, congress can. If there are people willing to write op-eds you can rest assured there's been more discussed behind closed doors.

So you might ask why they aren't discussing article 25 yet? Trump is still largely popular within the GOP voter base and they aren't going to shoot themselves in the foot before an election. If they end up losing the election, they can conveniently shift that responsibility to the democrats who are only all too eager to take the chance to shove their foot in. It will all become clearer after the elections.
None of what you say matters I'm afraid. No doubt there's been talk and I certainly knew that the Administration could not start the 25th themselves ta.

Without sound proof, hard evidence of more than one or more non-anonymous sources saying that what is going on in the WH is unconstitutional nothing will be initiated. How can it when Trump and others can easily turn around and say that the NYT might have made it all up. Prove they did not.
 
None of what you say matters I'm afraid. No doubt there's been talk and I certainly knew that the Administration could not start the 25th themselves ta.

Without sound proof, hard evidence of more than one or more non-anonymous sources saying that what is going on in the WH is unconstitutional nothing will be initiated. How can it when Trump and others can easily turn around and say that the NYT might have made it all up. Prove they did not.

They don't have to prove anything, its for the public to decide if they trust NYT's ethical standards over Trumps. Ofcourse the die hard mongoloids will say its fake news but its open for the better educated and discernible people to view it as a significantly historical event.
 
They don't have to prove anything, its for the public to decide if they trust NYT's ethical standards over Trumps. Ofcourse the die hard mongoloids will say its fake news but its open for the better educated and discernible people to view it as a significantly historical event.
I'm sorry but in one way you are right, it absolutely is vital that the public trust what is going on but the public can only vote once every four years on presidential matters, and removing the president is not initiated by public trust alone.
 
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