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I am in Duke which has a decent reputation in my field but is not close to ETH/Oxford/Cambridge/MIT/UC Berkeley and especially Harvard. Yet the fees here are (AFAIK) much higher than Berkeley and slightly higher than MIT/Harvard (and of course far far higher than ETH/Oxbridge). 1-semester tuition or undergrads is $50k, which means a degree is $400000 and with living expenses that works out to more than half a million dollars. Most other pvt colleges are not *that* high but are comparable.

I don't believe the undergrad education here is substantially better than most decent European schools - say, LMU Munich. LMU is free for anyone.
But I'm sure Duke has much better dining, world-class sports facilities and celebrity coaches, great parties, TVs all over the common areas, etc.

Duke has a very good academic reputation but those fees are farcically high to where most graduates would spend their entire lives paying off the loans.
 
Duke has a very good academic reputation but those fees are farcically high to where most graduates would spend their entire lives paying off the loans.
It's almost completely free to get a university degree in Ireland. I find the idea that something that is so necessary to someone's life in the 21st century puts you in mountains of debt for your whole life.
 
It's almost completely free to get a university degree in Ireland. I find the idea that something that is so necessary to someone's life in the 21st century puts you in mountains of debt for your whole life.

That's the trouble with the US - education has far too much profit motive attached to it. I was looking at doing a DPhil a few years back and only considered UK schools.
 
The cnuts make it hard for you to do a degree quickly too. I had to get permission to do 25 units a semester. The norm is something pathetic like 15. They want to keep you there as long as possible and squeeze you for cash.
 
The cnuts make it hard for you to do a degree quickly too. I had to get permission to do 25 units a semester. The norm is something pathetic like 15. They want to keep you there as long as possible and squeeze you for cash.
And they spend the first year making you pay through the nose for unrelated classes such as composition, humanities etc.
Books are insane, books can cost over $200 each, little change from year to year but you need the "code" to access the website for that year for the homework etc.
And my daughter goes to Flagler, she has to buy new bedding, because they have a non standard bed size. Oh, but they can tell you where to buy the bedding, for 3 times what normal bedding costs! I went nuts at her intake and asked the head of the University if it is Pearson scamming us on bedding as well as books!

University in the US is literally a money making scam. And everyone is on the take.
 
And they spend the first year making you pay through the nose for unrelated classes such as composition, humanities etc.
Books are insane, books can cost over $200 each, little change from year to year but you need the "code" to access the website for that year for the homework etc.
And my daughter goes to Flagler, she has to buy new bedding, because they have a non standard bed size. Oh, but they can tell you where to buy the bedding, for 3 times what normal bedding costs! I went nuts at her intake and asked the head of the University if it is Pearson scamming us on bedding as well as books!

University in the US is literally a money making scam. And everyone is on the take.


Yeah there were some really bullshit classes that make up the so-called 'well-rounded education'. History of Rock Music was a good one.
 
Thank goodness my BA only cost me $9k.
Thank goodness by BA cost me feck all, and the other degree that I'm doing at the moment is also costing me feck all. God I love Scotland. Whisky, free stuff and the women will give you a gobby for a can of Sprite if you're willing to overlook their lack of teeth.
 
Aberdeen University FTW.

I just can’t believe Trump still has avid followers. It’s gebuinely scary what he can do and still garner support, brainwashing at its finest.
 
And they spend the first year making you pay through the nose for unrelated classes such as composition, humanities etc.
Books are insane, books can cost over $200 each, little change from year to year but you need the "code" to access the website for that year for the homework etc.
And my daughter goes to Flagler, she has to buy new bedding, because they have a non standard bed size. Oh, but they can tell you where to buy the bedding, for 3 times what normal bedding costs! I went nuts at her intake and asked the head of the University if it is Pearson scamming us on bedding as well as books!

University in the US is literally a money making scam. And everyone is on the take.
Books cost everywhere a shitload of money. And to be honest, I love buying them.
 
Genuinely had to do a double take to make sure this wasn't Denald.

The 'more importantly' bit at the end is bizarre. Man can't even hold a thought for an entire tweet.:lol:
 
I don't know about LMU, but I know a lot of people (both professors, PhD students and Master students) in TUM which is regarded as top university on Germany. At least on my field (AI), it is nowhere near the likes of Stanford, Berkeley or Carnegie Mellon. However, it might be the best university on continental Europe after ETHZ and possibly EPFL. The same thing can be said for most science/technology fields. About social sciences, I have absolutely no idea.

I think that the main differences from European unis and top US universities, is the number of tutors per course (it isn't uncommon for US unis to have a couple dozens tutors, compared to 1 or 2 for European universities), the PhD here being much shorter (just 3 years) and the lack of funding compared to US, in addition to industry connections being much weaker. For this reason, top students from European unis, try to go to US for PhD, but the number is still much lower than that of Indian/Chinese.

Prices for your uni seem absurd even for US.

Maybe is it field-specific for comp sci/AI? I am hoping for a postdoc in Europe so maybe I'll find out first-hand.

I want to emphasise that while Duke is absurd, it's not extraordinary for a pvt R1 research university. I selected one completely at random, and the tuition at Emory University is 45k (compared to Duke's 50). When I teach the undergrads I wonder about this - how on earth am I supposed to live up to the price they're paying, and if they aren't born extremely rich, how on earth will they pay off the debts...
 
Maybe is it field-specific for comp sci/AI? I am hoping for a postdoc in Europe so maybe I'll find out first-hand.

I want to emphasise that while Duke is absurd, it's not extraordinary for a pvt R1 research university. I selected one completely at random, and the tuition at Emory University is 45k (compared to Duke's 50). When I teach the undergrads I wonder about this - how on earth am I supposed to live up to the price they're paying, and if they aren't born extremely rich, how on earth will they pay off the debts...

Have you calculated how long it will take you to pay all of this back ?
 
Have you calculated how long it will take you to pay all of this back ?

I am a phd student, the tuition (plus stipend) is paid by the department that accepted me (Genetics) for 2 years and then by my professor's grant money for the 3rd year onwards. For years 4 and after of a phd, the tuition drops *much* lower (about 10 times approx).

edit - this is a major concern for undergrads, law school, masters' programs, and medical school, not phds.

edit again- tuition is mostly a farce - we actually have only 3 semesters of coursework+lab work. After that we're either full-time in the lab or lab+teaching. It is easy money for the university to "charge" tuition (taken from department research funding and professors' grants) after 1.5 years.
 
I am a phd student, the tuition (plus stipend) is paid by the department that accepted me (Genetics) for 2 years and then by my professor's grant money for the 3rd year onwards. For years 4 and after of a phd, the tuition drops *much* lower (about 10 times approx).

edit - this is a major concern for undergrads, law school, masters' programs, and medical school, not phds.

Ahh right.....much cheaper then in your case. For undergrads, its getting to the point where the cost is starting to outweigh the value.
 
re UC Berkeley: it's a state Uni and has mostly fixed prices, like all the other state univs in CA. That's why it's so much less expensive that the private schools (Stanford, Harvard, etc).
Last I checked a bachelor's degree tuition & fees (excl room & board) was approx $17.5K/year for a California resident.
It's approx $47K/yr for students from out of state.
 
re UC Berkeley: it's a state Uni and has mostly fixed prices, like all the other state univs in CA. That's why it's so much less expensive that the private schools (Stanford, Harvard, etc).
Last I checked a bachelor's degree tuition & fees (excl room & board) was approx $17.5K/year for a California resident.
It's approx $47K/yr for students from out of state.

I knew there was an in/out gap, I had no idea it was that bad :lol:
 
Pretty much.

Oh no. I think the man is as guilty as he looks. I just don't have any faith in the American judicial and political systems, or the general populace anymore...

The judicial system is exactly what is keeping Trump honest.. Weird not to have faith in it.

I can concur about the skepticism about the general populace. A move towards the right is how the current epoch in the west will be defined by. A little economic hardship and the veil of liberalism has fallen faster than a stripper's bra at a strip club. The collapse of the "left" and move towards the right or the far-right is a phenomenon that explicates the west today. The gain of right/far-right populism is no longer limited to a small isolated country but is gaining traction in the entire west. What started with Brexit and then the election of Trump has gained traction in Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Austria, Italy, Spain, Germany & France. A party with Nazi roots, the Sweden Democrats, has made huge gains in the "liberal socialist utopia" that is Sweden. George Soros, refugees, Muslims, Islam, The Eurozone, sanctions against Russia, multiculturalism - are all the populist's bogeyman, used to instill the fear of the "other" and making nativism cool again. It stunning how the horrors of war have been forgotten and how easily this move towards right has found ground. It's shameful, really. There aren't 2000 pages dedicated to it because none of it as interesting and mesmerizing as the Donald Trump dog and pony show.

When I visit third world countries in Asia and Africa, I am surprised how majority of the populations there live in wretched and squalid conditions and still have that sparkle in their eyes. They have so much hope in them. Their countries ruined and plundered by the west, the seeds of division deeply sown, ruled by corrupt politicians - the people there still carry on. We, in the west, are on course of abandoning everything we stood for because of a little economic downturn; a little more color and culture in an otherwise pale and dull homogeneity. I sometimes wonder what will happen if people in the west have to live with even 1% of the hardships that the majority of the populations of those countries have to live with. It'll be pandemonium.
 
Let's be honest. Trump was appointed because he was white. White rich and white poor ate full of racism.
Michelle got hate for wearing a sleeveless shirt but Milania was called beautiful for showing her pussy.

Now people ready to go to Civil War.
We can't put up with this. It's about time for the normal people to rise up and vote this family out.
 
I never thought I'd say this but at this rate trump must not be impeached or jailed, for the greater good of the nation. He must be offered to continue for another 2 years but on a tight leash policy wise. Told not to run and keep his mouth shut in exchange for not being jailed.

If he's getting jailed or impeached his 30 percent or something cult followers will go riot physically and mentally the divide will never be healed

I'd wager a significantly small percentage would even take the streets/take violent action. The overwhelming majority wouldn't want to end up in jail or dead so they'll just sit behind a microphone or keyboard or stare into a tv camera with faux outrage.

The ones you'd want to watch are the obvious mental midgets like the white supremacists, militias, etc.
 
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I'd wager a significantly small percentage would even take the streets/take violent action. The overwhelming majority wouldn't want to end up in jail or dead so they'll just sit behind a microphone or keyboard or stare into a tv camera with faux outrage.

The ones you'd want to watch are the obvious mental midgets like the white supremacists, militias, etc.

Well going in arms would probably a big no, but they'll be sleeping cell, waiting for the next bigot leader to vote.
 
Let's be honest. Trump was appointed because he was white. White rich and white poor ate full of racism.
Michelle got hate for wearing a sleeveless shirt but Milania was called beautiful for showing her pussy.

Now people ready to go to Civil War.
We can't put up with this. It's about time for the normal people to rise up and vote this family out.
Blame the GOP for this. After years of racism against Obama they got what they deserved.
 
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