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I'm sure the likes of Putin would love to see NATO go away, but that's not going to happen as long as Russia is authoritarian and expansionist. If Russia opts to one day go democratic then that would remove the need for NATO to continue.

Russia tucked it's tail for a decade, and rolled over like a dog, and we stepped on their neck and encroached NATO even further onto their borders.

Cause and effect, how does it work. Of course they were going to react, they did, and so now that is justification for continuing the "cold war"? So they reacted to our passive aggressiveness in essentially continuing our cold war strategies, and now it's all justified?

Gotcha. In more ways than one.
 
Belgian king could not welcome Trump as he had to be in the stadium.
Belgian prime minister had to watch TV...
The chief of protocol of the ministry of foreign affairs had to welcome him....
 
Russia tucked it's tail for a decade, and rolled over like a dog, and we stepped on their neck and encroached NATO even further onto their borders.

Cause and effect, how does it work. Of course they were going to react, they did, and so now that is justification for continuing the "cold war"? So they reacted to our passive aggressiveness in essentially continuing our cold war strategies, and now it's all justified?

Gotcha. In more ways than one.

A few years of lawless chaos in Russia means little in terms the long term stability of the region. The fact that Russia then became an authoritarian dictatorship is evidence why NATO needed to not only continue, but also expand. Once Russia goes democratic, the need for collective security will dissipate and NATO will shrink or possibly even go away.
 
A few years of lawless chaos in Russia means little in terms the long term stability of the region. The fact that Russia then became an authoritarian dictatorship is evidence why NATO needed to not only continue, but also expand. Once Russia goes democratic, the need for collective security will dissipate and NATO will shrink or possibly even go away.

You seem to be assuming that Russia's current foreign policy aggression (which is presumably why "NATO needed to continue") is a result of lack of democracy, and internal democracy will make them soften up to US influence in their neighbourhood. But plenty of democratic states have been aggressive - the US today, and UK in the late 19th and early 20th C.
 
You seem to be assuming that Russia's current foreign policy aggression (which is presumably why "NATO needed to continue") is a result of lack of democracy, and internal democracy will make them soften up to US influence in their neighbourhood. But plenty of democratic states have been aggressive - the US today, and UK in the late 19th and early 20th C.

Its down to substate problems inside Russia that are a result of decades of corruption within the Soviet state. I wouldn't expect them to become a vibrant western style democracy over night since they just came out of 7 decades of communism and before that hundreds of years of empire and monarchy. Conversely, I wouldn't expect neighboring democratic states to be comfortable with a corrupt, expansionist dictatorship with the world's biggest stockpile of nukes on Europe's front door. The need for collective security is therefore completely valid until such time as the threat goes away by way of Russia going democratic. The Russians of course also feel threatened by NATO, but that is not because NATO is an actual threat, but because the spread of democracy itself is kryptonite to an authoritarian system.
 
Belgian king could not welcome Trump as he had to be in the stadium.
Belgian prime minister had to watch TV...
The chief of protocol of the ministry of foreign affairs had to welcome him....

Trump will be proposing to move the NATO HQ to Estonia next, closer to his boss.
 
'Destiny and Portina'? Are they yachts?

Yeah, I was hungover as feck and for some reason went with the most obvious child names I could think of for a bible belt maga enthusiast, even though they were supposed to be my hypothetical cousin and her school friend. Don’t drink and text.
 
I'm sure the likes of Putin would love to see NATO go away, but that's not going to happen as long as Russia is authoritarian and expansionist. If Russia opts to one day go democratic then that would remove the need for NATO to continue.

The kind of democracy that lets countries elect people like Trump, despite not having the majority votes and restricts the president in power to elect a SCJ for a year?
 
The kind of democracy that lets countries elect people like Trump, despite not having the majority votes and restricts the president in power to elect a SCJ for a year?

The latter fact is so staggering. The whole Supreme Court is such a bullshit system and would be so easy to fix. Limit the terms for new judges (which would circumvent a Poland like situation), increase the approval threshold and just like that, it would be far less politicized.
 
The latter fact is so staggering. The whole Supreme Court is such a bullshit system and would be so easy to fix. Limit the terms for new judges (which would circumvent a Poland like situation), increase the approval threshold and just like that, it would be far less politicized.

So much this. It's Monty Python levels of silly.
 
Whilst I agree in principle that the others should pay their share, if the US didn't have a history of taking over things, dragging others into wars they didn't want to participate in, deposing democratically elected people for their own ends all over the planet and so on then maybe others would be fully behind it.
 
Whilst I agree in principle that the others should pay their share, if the US didn't have a history of taking over things, dragging others into wars they didn't want to participate in, deposing democratically elected people for their own ends all over the planet and so on then maybe others would be fully behind it.
It's a bit of a catch 22 with the US though. When they do get involved in wars, people moan that it's not their place. When they refuse to get involved, people moan that they aren't. Can't win really. I mean, obviously they have a very mixed and questionable history in warfare (especially in recent times) but they're still the one the western world relies on for just about everything.

Saying that, the way to solve things isn't by increasing their fecking budget for it at the expense of their basics.
 
It's a bit of a catch 22 with the US though. When they do get involved in wars, people moan that it's not their place. When they refuse to get involved, people moan that they aren't. Can't win really. I mean, obviously they have a very mixed and questionable history in warfare (especially in recent times) but they're still the one the western world relies on for just about everything.

Saying that, the way to solve things isn't by increasing their fecking budget for it at the expense of their basics.

We're institutionalised to America being there hence we moan when they finally don't stick their noses in other people's business but eventually we'd get used to it. Secretly we'd wish them to feck off.

It's partly why people liked Obama even after Bush even though drone strikes happened, Libya/Syria happened and Iraq and Afghanistan in never ending thing. He was seen as the type to take a step back for a bit.

Actually thinking about it, maybe we'd like Trump more if he genuinely pulled the US out of NATO and solely focused on his own country.
 
Whilst I agree in principle that the others should pay their share, if the US didn't have a history of taking over things, dragging others into wars they didn't want to participate in, deposing democratically elected people for their own ends all over the planet and so on then maybe others would be fully behind it.

It does not even start with wars but with mingling in other businesses out of power or economical interests.
 
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