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Keep saying it but essentially the Tea Party confirmed that the G in GOP now stands for Grievance. That's why Trumpism boils down to - be in a position of privilege but convince yourself you're the real victim. And there's no one better at that than the cult leader.
 
shabadu84 said:
Keep saying it but essentially the Tea Party confirmed that the G in GOP now stands for Grievance. That's why Trumpism boils down to - be in a position of privilege but convince yourself you're the real victim. And there's no one better at that than the cult leader.
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The TEA Party was just a nice euphemism for "Feck Obama". It had nothing to do with taxes or whatever. The black guy was going to tax them into oblivion so he can hand out more social programs and food stamps to coloured folk. That was their main Grievance.
 
I've never heard it called that before.
 
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How the feck does he know that four reporters saw her and how does he expect them to report that anyway?

I didn’t think anything until now. Now I assume that she’s either really ill or living in another country or whatever.
 
Carolina Red said:
I’ve never seen any of that a single time that I’ve read the Bill of Rights.

Are you sure you’re looking at the right document?
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I wasn't talking about legal or constitutional rights.

A member of a community accepts obligations to the whole beyond those defined and enforced by law. In a society composed of diverse individuals and groups, many with conflicting interests, an accommodation is necessary in which we don't aggressively push our own cause when that interferes with the right of others to pursue their very different agendas.

Instead, we designate forums in which conflicts of interest can be addressed - around a communal fire in a hunter gatherer camp, a gathering of elders in a village, the Agora in Classical Greece, a town hall meeting in middle America ... We create appropriate spaces for discussion and dissent; outside of those spaces the business of the society is allowed to proceed as normal. Without this restraint the life of the community is fatally impaired.

The actions of the NFL players violates that compact. The normal business of the community - watching a football match - is turned into an occasion of political dissent. Those who have contracted to watch a football game are forced into becoming unwilling spectators to a protest in which their values are insulted.

A belief that America is so broken that the social contract is abrogated might excuse the actions of the players. But these particular young men show no reluctance to profit greatly from that contract while proclaiming their disdain for its symbols.
 
Will Absolute said:
I wasn't talking about legal or constitutional rights.

A member of a community accepts obligations to the whole beyond those defined and enforced by law. In a society composed of diverse individuals and groups, many with conflicting interests, an accommodation is necessary in which we don't aggressively push our own cause when that interferes with the right of others to pursue their very different agendas.

Instead, we designate forums in which conflicts of interest can be addressed - around a communal fire in a hunter gatherer camp, a gathering of elders in a village, the Agora in Classical Greece, a town hall meeting in middle America ... We create appropriate spaces for discussion and dissent; outside of those spaces the business of the society is allowed to proceed as normal. Without this restraint the life of the community is fatally impaired.

The actions of the NFL players violates that compact. The normal business of the community - watching a football match - is turned into an occasion of political dissent. Those who have contracted to watch a football game are forced into becoming unwilling spectators to a protest in which their values are insulted.

A belief that America is so broken that the social contract is abrogated might excuse the actions of the players. But these particular young men show no reluctance to profit greatly from that contract while proclaiming their disdain for its symbols.
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I want to vomit. Honestly. This is the most ridiculous load of crap I’ve read in quite some time... and I teach teenagers.
 
I wonder how he feels about Trumps lies and antics? Guessing hes not too fussed?
 
Carolina Red said:
I want to vomit. Honestly. This is the most ridiculous load of crap I’ve read in quite some time... and I teach teenagers.
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This sort of comment is an infringement of the guidelines we as a community are bound to. If you take issue with Will's views you can raise it at the next communal fire.
 
Will Absolute said:
I wasn't talking about legal or constitutional rights.

A member of a community accepts obligations to the whole beyond those defined and enforced by law. In a society composed of diverse individuals and groups, many with conflicting interests, an accommodation is necessary in which we don't aggressively push our own cause when that interferes with the right of others to pursue their very different agendas.

Instead, we designate forums in which conflicts of interest can be addressed - around a communal fire in a hunter gatherer camp, a gathering of elders in a village, the Agora in Classical Greece, a town hall meeting in middle America ... We create appropriate spaces for discussion and dissent; outside of those spaces the business of the society is allowed to proceed as normal. Without this restraint the life of the community is fatally impaired.

The actions of the NFL players violates that compact. The normal business of the community - watching a football match - is turned into an occasion of political dissent. Those who have contracted to watch a football game are forced into becoming unwilling spectators to a protest in which their values are insulted.

A belief that America is so broken that the social contract is abrogated might excuse the actions of the players. But these particular young men show no reluctance to profit greatly from that contract while proclaiming their disdain for its symbols.
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Christ on a bike:lol:
 
Will Absolute said:
I wasn't talking about legal or constitutional rights.

A member of a community accepts obligations to the whole beyond those defined and enforced by law. In a society composed of diverse individuals and groups, many with conflicting interests, an accommodation is necessary in which we don't aggressively push our own cause when that interferes with the right of others to pursue their very different agendas.

Instead, we designate forums in which conflicts of interest can be addressed - around a communal fire in a hunter gatherer camp, a gathering of elders in a village, the Agora in Classical Greece, a town hall meeting in middle America ... We create appropriate spaces for discussion and dissent; outside of those spaces the business of the society is allowed to proceed as normal. Without this restraint the life of the community is fatally impaired.

The actions of the NFL players violates that compact. The normal business of the community - watching a football match - is turned into an occasion of political dissent. Those who have contracted to watch a football game are forced into becoming unwilling spectators to a protest in which their values are insulted.

A belief that America is so broken that the social contract is abrogated might excuse the actions of the players. But these particular young men show no reluctance to profit greatly from that contract while proclaiming their disdain for its symbols.
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Literally everything you posted can be demonstrated in the reverse. Demanding blind fealty to the flag and anthem is aggressively pursuing a cause and interfering with the rights of others to pursue their very different agendas. The normal business of the NFL community - watching a football match - has been turned into an occasion of rampant patriotism and the forced compliance of those contracted to play the game now witness their own values being insulted; those being the ones the country, flag and anthem are so strenuously signaled to represent.

Give less of a shit about symbols and a bit more of one for the folk it's supposed to represent.
 
Trump as opened up a pandora's box of pardons. Wife of George Papadopoulos pleading on CNN .
 
Ekkie Thump said:
. Demanding blind fealty to the flag and anthem is aggressively pursuing a cause and interfering with the rights of others to pursue their very different agenda
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Standing during the National Anthem is not too much to expect of any citizen. If he's unwilling to make that small public acknowledgement of belonging, perhaps he shouldn't belong.
 
Will Absolute said:
Standing during the National Anthem is not too much to expect of any citizen. If he's unwilling to make that small public acknowledgement of belonging, perhaps he shouldn't belong.
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So little substance to your stance, as flimsy as the concept of flags themselves.
 
Ekkie Thump said:
Demanding blind fealty to the flag and anthem is aggressively pursuing a cause and interfering with the rights of others to pursue their very different agendas.
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Nonsense. It's the one of the fundamentals of being a citizen.

They are there to play football. If they want to use their celebrity status to promote a message or protest against prejudice there are various other social media means to go about it.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Nonsense. It's the one of the fundamentals of being a citizen.

They are there to play football. If they want to use their celebrity status to promote a message or protest against prejudice there are various other social media means to go about it.
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Can you provide a list of what you think the citizen fundamentals are?
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Nonsense. It's the one of the fundamentals of being a citizen.

They are there to play football. If they want to use their celebrity status to promote a message or protest against prejudice there are various other social media means to go about it.
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Blind fealty is a fundamental of being a citizen? If you want to chest thump to the flag there are plenty of places other than a football match to go about doing it. Like you say, they're there to play football, not pay lip service to a flag they feel doesn't adequately represent them.
 
Eboue said:
Can you provide a list of what you think the citizen fundamentals are?
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Though I lifted this from USCIS website, I think this qualifies across all countries.
  • Support and defend the Constitution.
  • Stay informed of the issues affecting your community.
  • Participate in the democratic process.
  • Respect and obey federal, state, and local laws.
  • Respect the rights, beliefs, and opinions of others.
  • Participate in your local community.
  • Pay income and other taxes honestly, and on time, to federal, state, and local authorities.
  • Serve on a jury when called upon.
  • Defend the country if the need should arise.
 
Will Absolute said:
Standing during the National Anthem is not too much to expect of any citizen. If he's unwilling to make that small public acknowledgement of belonging, perhaps he shouldn't belong.
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As I said, jackboots disguised as clown shoes.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Though I lifted this from USCIS website, I think this qualifies across all countries.
  • Support and defend the Constitution.
  • Stay informed of the issues affecting your community.
  • Participate in the democratic process.
  • Respect and obey federal, state, and local laws.
  • Respect the rights, beliefs, and opinions of others.
  • Participate in your local community.
  • Pay income and other taxes honestly, and on time, to federal, state, and local authorities.
  • Serve on a jury when called upon.
  • Defend the country if the need should arise.
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Ok I dont see the part about staring at a piece of cloth before you do your job?
 
Ekkie Thump said:
Blind fealty is a fundamental of being a citizen? If you want to chest thump to the flag there are plenty of places other than a football match to go about doing it. Like you say, they're there to play football, not pay lip service to a flag they feel doesn't adequately represent them.
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If your point was on playing anthem at NFL games, then I'd tend to agree. Irrespective, wherever anthem is played, it deserves respect...and that is not contingent of social issues.
 
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