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I agree with you that we need to know how much this has affected things, I just don't agree that the bot operation is very sophisticated, but I guess that makes no difference to its effectiveness, which is evident. It's just so frustrating that people's opinions are swayed so easily, especially given all the reliable sources of information available.

Edit: I still think its ridiculous that grown ups who have had the privilege of an education should follow this shit. They are being silly. (Not the ones investigating it, the ones falling for it, I can't respect their opinions anymore than those of religious nutters etc.)

It's not particularly sophisticated in terms of the posts themselves, the sophistication comes in the user targeting. There's lot of blunt force crap that works on a 'apply by the shovel load' principle, but there's also some very carefully directed work going on, aimed at ensuring exactly the right demographics of people are seeing posts that could potentially sway them based on their likes/dislikes/personal habits etc.

This is the stuff that Cambridge Analytica were doing for both the Brexit and the Trump campaigns.
 
It's not particularly sophisticated in terms of the posts themselves, the sophistication comes in the user targeting. There's lot of blunt force crap that works on a 'apply by the shovel load' principle, but there's also some very carefully directed work going on, aimed at ensuring exactly the right demographics of people are seeing posts that could potentially sway them based on their likes/dislikes/personal habits etc.

This is the stuff that Cambridge Analytica were doing for both the Brexit and the Trump campaigns.
Yes, this is why people should take it seriously and try and make people aware. Try to get them to think critically, for themselves, etc...

It's annoying how easily people can be led, but it is what it is. Let's accept it and try to counter it rather than do nothing, or mislead ourselves into believing it's not an issue and it's not that influential.
 
Yes, this is why people should take it seriously and try and make people aware. Try to get them to think critically, for themselves, etc...

It's annoying how easily people can be led, but it is what it is. Let's accept it and try to counter it rather than do nothing, or mislead ourselves into believing it's not an issue and it's not that influential.

People don't like to take most things seriously and will never think critically or for themselves most of the time.

The hive mind is stronger than ever nowadays. People don't see anything wrong with it because they don't want to actually bother to.
 
THE STATE DEPARTMENT announced Wednesday evening the abrupt cancellation of a program that gave youth fleeing violence in Central America the chance to apply for asylum and join their families in the United States. While the Trump administration had already narrowed the scope of the Obama-era initiative and indicated it would shut it downentirely, the program is being ended with barely a 24-hour notice. Families already in the process of applying had just until midnight last night to get their paperwork filed.

The Central American Minors program, or CAM, allowed children, who were fleeing violence in Guatemala, Honduras, or El Salvador and had family members legally in the United States, to apply for asylum from within their home country. Applicants who didn’t meet the criteria for asylum were also eligible to receive a temporary humanitarian parole that granted them permission to stay in the United States for two years.

Alba said that the entire process had slowed to a crawl in January, when Central American organizations also noticed a freeze. Then, in August, the administration canceled the parole portion of the program. Some 2,700 children who had been approved for parole and were waiting on travel arrangements were told that their acceptance had been revoked.

For Leach, the main limitation was that CAM addressed only a sliver of the asylum-seeking population, due to “the fact that the parents have to have status in the U.S., the fact that you are drawing attention to yourself, that it takes a long time, that if your life is in danger you need to be in hiding. In-country processing is fraught with certain dangers.”

Despite these critiques, or perhaps because of them, over time CAM greatly improved, said Sandoval in San Salvador. “It could have been better, definitely. But it established best practices, and it proved that it’s possible to find viable alternatives that offer true solutions.” And Leach’s colleague Amber Moulton said, “We had hoped for an expansion of CAM rather than rescinding or stopping it.”
IN UNDER A year, the Trump administration has taken steps to drastically reshape U.S. refugee policy in ways that would undermine long-standing protections. On top of executive orders capping refugee admissions, the Department of Homeland Security has said it will “intensify” vetting of women and children refugees. Attorney General Jeff Sessions and White House Chief of Staff John Kelly have both sought to delegitimize the claims of asylum-seekers, saying that there is “rampant abuse,” and that people are “schooled by traffickers.” This summer, a lawsuit alleged that officers were intimidating and lying to asylum-seekers at the border.

Salvadorans and Hondurans, two of the countries eligible for CAM, may also soon face the end of temporary protected status, or TPS, which gives citizens of certain countries recovering from disasters, armed conflict, or “other extraordinary and temporary conditions” the right to stay and work in the U.S. This week, the DHS announced it would end TPS for Nicaraguans, and hundreds of thousands of Hondurans, Haitians, and Salvadorans await decisions on their countries. The two programs were interwoven, said Sandoval, as in many cases, it was family members with TPS status who were petitioning to bring their children to the United States through CAM.

https://theintercept.com/2017/11/10...hat-saved-lives-of-central-american-children/
 
Well done that man.

If Trump comes to the UK, the protests are going to be awesome.

It's impossible not to believe the story that he told May he wouldn't come unless he was guaranteed a good reception.

And impossible to believe that he'd get anything other than mass protests full of vitriol and hatred in a way that only we can provide.
 
Morales in the House of Commons? pull me another one, this the same Bercow that has his Wife Sally getting her arse n tits out whether she pleases? Plenty of abuse allegations in the House too especially in regards to children, so whilst they try and take the morale high ground, they certainly don't live by those principles and thus makes them very contradicting by being the champion of women's right and above sexism when it's bloody rife.
 
Morales in the House of Commons? pull me another one, this the same Bercow that has his Wife Sally getting her arse n tits out whether she pleases? Plenty of abuse allegations in the House too especially in regards to children, so whilst they try and take the morale high ground, they certainly don't live by those principles and thus makes them very contradicting by being the champion of women's right and above sexism when it's bloody rife.

I notice you shied away from any whatboutism on racism for some reason while similtanously managing to make a sexist comment.

Many posters may be disapointed to understand that you're not referring to the 4 weight boxing champion visiting the Commons, due to your spelling errors.
 
I notice you shied away from any whatboutism on racism for some reason while similtanously managing to make a sexist comment.

Many posters may be disapointed to understand that you're not referring to the 4 weight boxing champion visiting the Commons, due to your spelling errors.

Irony? Trump?
 
Tells you something about the proxy setup they have for his phone? (I'm no IT expert)
It was written and tweeted by a staff member with a location enabled device. His own tweets don't have location enabled. His comms team have access to the twitter account (as most politicians comms teams).
 
Posted by a staffer I'd assume.

Indeed. It’s a little surprising that he allows them access to his account and not the POTUS one.

It goes to show that there’s a level of manipulation involved with his persona. He lets his team talk on his behalf and use his prose to convince people it’s him.
 
Indeed. It’s a little surprising that he allows them access to his account and not the POTUS one.

It goes to show that there’s a level of manipulation involved with his persona. He lets his team talk on his behalf and use his prose to convince people it’s him.

As was noted here a few days ago though, it was clear to see it wasn't actually him because the punctuation was used correctly :lol:
 
It was written and tweeted by a staff member with a location enabled device. His own tweets don't have location enabled. His comms team have access to the twitter account (as most politicians comms teams).

My initial scan of the tweet I thought it was the convoluted/nonsense style that's unique to the orange one himself, so thought it wasn't a staffer (unless they have a twitter double by now). But now I realize it's convoluted because it's a decent attempt at cramming as much possible within the character limit. It's better written than he would have done.
 
As was noted here a few days ago though, it was clear to see it wasn't actually him because the punctuation was used correctly :lol:

Can you imagine if a staffer was told to make it convincing so put a couple of spelling and grammar errors in there?

“Why have you made me sound like a retard?”

“Well they told me to.... oh sorry boss my mistake, I’m not very good at English”.
 
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/

The messages, obtained by The Atlantic, were also turned over by Trump Jr.’s lawyers to congressional investigators. They are part of a long—and largely one-sided—correspondence between WikiLeaks and the president’s son that continued until at least July 2017. The messages show WikiLeaks, a radical transparency organization that the American intelligence community believes was chosen by the Russian government to disseminate the information it had hacked, actively soliciting Trump Jr.’s cooperation. WikiLeaks made a series of increasingly bold requests, including asking for Trump’s tax returns, urging the Trump campaign on Election Day to reject the results of the election as rigged, and requesting that the president-elect tell Australia to appoint Julian Assange ambassador to the United States.


As one does
 


Wikileaks "No collusion"

Also wikileaks "give us your documents so we don't look biased"


That whole AMA highlights their rather obvious agenda. They claim not to be curators or gatekeepers and yet also admit to deliberately releasing info to maximise impact and to suit their editorial agenda...which is quite literally gatekeeping.
 
That's a big story from The Atlantic. Collusion was happening between Wikileaks and Don Jr.
 
That's a big story from The Atlantic. Collusion was happening between Wikileaks and Don Jr.

But his Dad still didn’t know anything about it and wasn’t involved. Don Jr must have failed to disclose why he asked Don Snr to say those things on those days or perhaps a coincidence.
 
Fake news. Donald Trump doesn't have a son called Donald Trump Jr.

He’s part of the family but he’s never really been that involved in it. He met him a couple of times during festive seasons but that’s about it.
 
He was just a coffee gopher, ffs.
 
I fecking knew Wikileaks were bent.

Assange can fecking rot in his little box room in the embassy until he dies.
 
But his Dad still didn’t know anything about it and wasn’t involved. Don Jr must have failed to disclose why he asked Don Snr to say those things on those days or perhaps a coincidence.

Likely this is where his family and close advisers will perjure themselves. Some of them will lie on what they told Trump, so he can have plausible deniability.
 
Likely this is where his family and close advisers will perjure themselves. Some of them will lie on what they told Trump, so he can have plausible deniability.

You have to be brain-dead to speak to the feds at this point without lawyers present, combing through every response.
 
You have to be brain-dead to speak to the feds at this point without lawyers present, combing through every response.

Interviews/testimonies have been going on since June. If anyone lied in those hearings about whether they were aware of any contact between Wikileaks & the campaign, then they're in legal jeopardy.
 
Mitch McConnell is gambling that Alabama will elect any republican on the ballot or as a write in candidate will win the seat and he would rather have a candidate who will support him than a hard right loon/tea party maverick like Moore. If Moore gets elected, everyone will fall in line with him.
 
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