The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated

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Raoul said:
I get the increasing impression all is not well with Tillerson. If he leaves, I expect Trump replace him with a pick that will throw a bit of red meat to the base. Bolton always springs to mind.
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Sec of State needs senate approval?
 
Raoul said:
Are you forgetting that this is the Trump administration ? He will choose whoever he feels will do his bidding at State.
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These guys knew something we didnt:

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Not sure if this has been posted but it's worth reading the whole thread



There are plenty of terrible things he deserves punishment for, and are genuinely dark, so I'll just highlight the funny/ridiculous ones:







 
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Rob said:
It seems insane to me, that a president who, like Trump, has no experience whatsoever with the legal system can just overrule judges.
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In fairness he's got plenty of experience of the legal system, just from a bad business and criminal's point of view.
 
JustAFan said:
so because of Trump it's a bad thing?

Did you worry about Presidents on this list some of whom pardoned or commuted the sentences for over 1000 people during their Presidency?

Look at JFK, used pardons to basically over turn a law. That a good thing or bad?
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I did, and do. That's why I posted that article with other controversial pardons.
 
This Tweet from Trump just shows how small minded this idiot is I honestly think that we do need to worry.

Not sure how to post a tweet here but this is the text.

I will also be going to a wonderful state, Missouri, that I won by a lot in '16. Dem C.M. is opposed to big tax cuts. Republican will win S!

And a link to the tweet.

 
Carolina Red said:
The way our system works places the head of the Executive (the Branch that puts federal laws into action) over the Justice Dept. If the head of the Executive can decide if a law is executed or not (Executive order), then they have the power to decide if a consequence of breaking such a law is executed or not.
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You make it sound like it's some sort of natural connection, but it's not. In theory what you're saying can make sense, but the way presidential pardon works defeats the concept of equality before the law entirely. If anything the suspended consequences would have to apply not only on one case, but all of the cases based on the respective law.
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
How can supposedly intelligent people put up with this?

I don't understand … anything anymore :wenger:
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How do you mean? What do you think should be done,coup d'etat ? GOP will never impeach him unless a direct unquestionable evidence of treason is obtained. I think he is facing the biggest possible backlash any president has, in his first 200 days in office.
 
The Firestarter said:
How do you mean? What do you think should be done,coup d'etat ? GOP will never impeach him unless a direct unquestionable evidence of treason is obtained. I think he is facing the biggest possible backlash any president has, in his first 200 days in office.
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The (EDIT: lack of) backlash is what I was referring to, mostly from the public but even from within his own party.
 
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langster said:
As I have said 100 times at least, he's a disgusting piece of shit. Just to depress everyone further, here's what a proper President sounds like......


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The difference really is staggering. Imagine going from Obama who, while not perfect, was a pretty decent president to Trump, who's more or less like an idiotic teenager. Hell, I've got students in the 9th grade who would probably be able to sound more presidential than the clown currently in the White House.
 
Javi said:
You make it sound like it's some sort of natural connection, but it's not. In theory what you're saying can make sense, but the way presidential pardon works defeats the concept of equality before the law entirely. If anything the suspended consequences would have to apply not only on one case, but all of the cases based on the respective law.
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There are caviats with pardons, that is the balance.

To accept a pardon is an admission of guilt for whatever crime involved. This has other consequences.

For instance, is manafort was pardoned, he could not be convicted of his crimes, but he would be admitting guilt, and could then be subpoena'd to testify against trump. And because he cannot be convicted, the 5th amendment no longer applies either.

The reason this particular pardon is beyond being questionable is the crime being pardoned. Sheriff racist was found in contempt of court, but what he was in contempt over was a court trying to force him to act within the constitution. His profiling had been deemed, in a court of law, unconstitutional.

What this particular pardon is doing is saying the constitution doesn't matter if you are mates with the president, and that's why legal people are having a fit everywhere.

And trump still calls himself and his followers, and sheriff racist, patriots. They are the opposite.

That si why even ryan is walking away, because this one is guaranteed to go to the supreme court at some point, and that will be a whole new shiteshow.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Interesting. Anywhere I could read up more on that angle?
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Yeah. I don't mean someone will challenge trumps right to pardon sheriff racist, althought I think they should.

But the consequences will end up in a supreme court ruling somewhere down the line, this forbes article explains why its so bad, there was another that talked about how it will effect the judicial system to the point that the consequences will have to be decided at the supreme court level but I ca't find it now.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjs...d-spark-a-constitutional-crisis/#5212ea15351e
 
People can try to take it to the Supreme Court all they want - SCOTUS will do nothing and I doubt they'll even hear the case.

Of all the powers granted to presidents by the Constitution, pardoning is the least constrained by the other two branches of government. Congress cannot reverse pardons once issued, and the Supreme Court has long held that a president’s power to offer them “is granted without limit.” At the Constitutional Convention in 1787, the Founders explicitly rejected a proposal that would have allowed the Senate to review pardons. The Constitution itself only imposes two restrictions: that a pardon does not prevent impeachment, and that pardons only apply to federal crimes, not state crimes or civil lawsuits.
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Zlaatan said:
:rolleyes:

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The federal lawsuit that got him in trouble was litigated by President Barack Obama's Justice Department (Though the investigation that generated the lawsuit was started in the last Bush Administration).

A 162-page opinion by a federal judge, an Arizonan appointed by President George W. Bush and described by some as a "very conservative Republican", who found that Arpaio committed contempt of court.
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#AlternativeFacts
 
Nogbadthebad said:
There are caviats with pardons, that is the balance.

To accept a pardon is an admission of guilt for whatever crime involved. This has other consequences.

For instance, is manafort was pardoned, he could not be convicted of his crimes, but he would be admitting guilt, and could then be subpoena'd to testify against trump. And because he cannot be convicted, the 5th amendment no longer applies either.

The reason this particular pardon is beyond being questionable is the crime being pardoned. Sheriff racist was found in contempt of court, but what he was in contempt over was a court trying to force him to act within the constitution. His profiling had been deemed, in a court of law, unconstitutional.

What this particular pardon is doing is saying the constitution doesn't matter if you are mates with the president, and that's why legal people are having a fit everywhere.

And trump still calls himself and his followers, and sheriff racist, patriots. They are the opposite.

That si why even ryan is walking away, because this one is guaranteed to go to the supreme court at some point, and that will be a whole new shiteshow.
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Thanks for explaining that, very interesting.
 
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