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I wonder how he's going to make the storm about himself. I genuinely think he'll go for something along the lines of "no president has ever dealt with a storm like this."
 
I wonder how he's going to make the storm about himself. I genuinely think he'll go for something along the lines of "no president has ever dealt with a storm like this."

He's already said that more than three or four times at least, just not in those exact words, but he's definitely alluded that very thing.
 
I wonder how he's going to make the storm about himself. I genuinely think he'll go for something along the lines of "no president has ever dealt with a storm like this."

"I AM THE STORM!"
 
Surprised that the pardoning hasn't taken more headlines (well, in Denmark at least). To me it sounds like that sherif is a complete monster, and for one man to just pardon him like that. I don't even understand why a president can do that. Is there any other western nation where a president, prime minister or whatever can do that?
 
Surprised that the pardoning hasn't taken more headlines (well, in Denmark at least). To me it sounds like that sherif is a complete monster, and for one man to just pardon him like that. I don't even understand why a president can do that. Is there any other western nation where a president, prime minister or whatever can do that?

@Carolina Red might be able to tell us the justification for this system, but to me it's always seemed like an exercise in cronyism, readily open to abuse.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...mp-joe-arpaio-most-controversial-pardons-ever
 
Surprised that the pardoning hasn't taken more headlines (well, in Denmark at least). To me it sounds like that sherif is a complete monster, and for one man to just pardon him like that. I don't even understand why a president can do that. Is there any other western nation where a president, prime minister or whatever can do that?
In Bulgaria the Vice President can pardon convicts. I believe it is similar in other nations as well.
 
It seems insane to me, that a president who, like Trump, has no experience whatsoever with the legal system can just overrule judges.

It's even more disgusting when the pardon is coming from someone as corrupt as Trump. If Trump is ever convicted of anything then any pardons he made should instantly become invalid.
 


Check the picture out, you can see that some have been written with the exact same marker pen, and also, study the handwriting and you can see some have been written by the same person too. Also, some people have said they haven't been folded and are all on the same fresh paper. :lol:

Some of the replies are amazing as well, very funny. But what kind of person fakes kids letters to themselves?


They're all from Donald
 
@Carolina Red might be able to tell us the justification for this system, but to me it's always seemed like an exercise in cronyism, readily open to abuse.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...mp-joe-arpaio-most-controversial-pardons-ever
The Constitution (Article II, Section 2) grants that POTUS can issue pardons for federal crimes.

Why? - it's basically the logical conclusion when looking at the structure of the federal government

The Constitution places the President as head of the Executive Branch, with the Justice Dept under the Executive Branch. Since Federal law falls under the remit of the Justice Dept, it therefore ultimately falls under the remit of the Executive Branch.

Governors of states typically have the same power over state crimes
 
That was my thoughts too. I noticed that two are in identical marker and noticed the handwriting before I read any of the replies. It just doesn't make any sense as to why you would make something like this up? The entire family must have the biggest insecurities and are on some giant mission to get approval from as many people as possible. It's odd and it's also very, very sad, not to mention deceptive, and as you rightly say, there is more than enough to attack them on anyway, why do they need to bring something like this on themselves too? Ivanka in particular. It doesn't make a lot of sense no matter which way you look at it, and I can't imagine any of her advisors suggesting something like this.

Don't you think it's also weird that random folk on the internet are analysing hand-writing of purported kids' letters?
 
Don't you think it's also weird that random folk on the internet are analysing hand-writing of purported kids' letters?

Not really no. She put two pictures up, it takes seconds to notice something is not right. I'd think it more strange if it went unnoticed and unchallenged.
 
The Constitution (Article II, Section 2) grants that POTUS can issue pardons for federal crimes.

Why? - it's basically the logical conclusion when looking at the structure of the federal government

The Constitution places the President as head of the Executive Branch, with the Justice Dept under the Executive Branch. Since Federal law falls under the remit of the Justice Dept, it therefore ultimately falls under the remit of the Executive Branch.

Governors of states typically have the same power over state crimes

Surely the fallacy of that is evident now when you have dunderheads with zero legal experience ignoring all legal advice and pardoning their mates. It's ripe for abuse.
 


He really hasn't got a fecking clue how any of this works does he? I don't have a clue how the Trump organisation is still going he's that detached from reality. Seems like only four bankruptcies is incredibly lucky.



Can't fecking resist reminding people about the election can he? Really destroys the 'you lot, get over the election!' bollocks that his supporters shout because he's the one who can't stop talking about it.
 
Not really no. She put two pictures up, it takes seconds to notice something is not right. I'd think it more strange if it went unnoticed and unchallenged.

In the grand scheme of things, what difference does it make either way? We're talking about a person that almost a decade ago said this...
Ivanka Trump said:
“Perception is more important than reality. If someone perceives something to be true, it is more important than if it is in fact true. This doesn’t mean you should be duplicitous or deceitful, but don’t go out of your way to correct a false assumption if it plays to your advantage.”
Is analysing a piece of handwriting to confirm something that may or may not be true about something we already know not a bit...pointless?
 
In the grand scheme of things, what difference does it make either way? We're talking about a person that almost a decade ago said this...

Is analysing a piece of handwriting to confirm something that may or may not be true about something we already know not a bit...pointless?

No, because she gives this image that she's a great person and it somewhat mitigates the shitshow her father is putting on, so her discrediting herself in any way is welcome.

Aside from that, it's good for a laugh, even if you don't want to take it seriously.
 
In the grand scheme of things, what difference does it make either way?

It doesn't and I never suggested it did.

Is analysing a piece of handwriting to confirm something that may or may not be true about something we already know not a bit...pointless?

Not really no, would you discount the murder weapon if you already had DNA and eye witnesses? Or should you ignore each time someone is deceitful and just pretend it's ok and leave them to carry on unchallenged? Especially someone who has considerable power and makes out she's like some beacon of hope for the working class and poor and she's no different just because she's rich and the Presidents daughter. All that aside, It was being discussed in a frivolous, jokey manner, not seriously, so I don't really see what the big deal is.
 
The Constitution (Article II, Section 2) grants that POTUS can issue pardons for federal crimes.

Why? - it's basically the logical conclusion when looking at the structure of the federal government

The Constitution places the President as head of the Executive Branch, with the Justice Dept under the Executive Branch. Since Federal law falls under the remit of the Justice Dept, it therefore ultimately falls under the remit of the Executive Branch.

Governors of states typically have the same power over state crimes

It's not, at least not by Western standards of Checks & Balances. A crime is what the federal laws says under the interpretation of independant judges: the judicial branch. In the end it's them who find people guilty/not guilty. Judges in the SC get appointed for lifetime for the one and only reason of being able to judge on their own politically independant assesment.

Still I suppose presidential pardon can make some sense in cases with political affluence.
 
Surely the fallacy of that is evident now when you have dunderheads with zero legal experience ignoring all legal advice and pardoning their mates. It's ripe for abuse.
so because of Trump it's a bad thing?

Did you worry about Presidents on this list some of whom pardoned or commuted the sentences for over 1000 people during their Presidency?

Look at JFK, used pardons to basically over turn a law. That a good thing or bad?
 
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Absolutely incredible.....Tillerson suggesting Trump's values are not America's values.


I spent most of the weekend out of the loop, but just heard of this and its bizarre. "I speak for the US, and the President speaks for himself". :lol:
 
I spent most of the weekend out of the loop, but just heard of this and its bizarre. "I speak for the US, and the President speaks for himself". :lol:

I get the increasing impression all is not well with Tillerson. If he leaves, I expect Trump replace him with a pick that will throw a bit of red meat to the base. Bolton always springs to mind.
 
Remember he was 'the most divisive president' ever, just because he was black.

I'd say you were being too harsh but it really does seem like that. It's the same when they slam "identity politics" when Democrats campaign against racism and sexism. To them, racism and sexism is normal and the only times it's divisive are when the victims fight back.

Wow that's damning. The US Secretary of State clearly stating that the President does not speak for America. Unparalleled and it suggests to me that at the highest levels the administration knows the end is near.

He's right though. The likes of Lord and Bannon are just a mixture of stupid or heartless but Tillerson isn't stupid enough to contemplating defending what Trump does.



The fourth point is fantastic. :lol:
 


Check the picture out, you can see that some have been written with the exact same marker pen, and also, study the handwriting and you can see some have been written by the same person too. Also, some people have said they haven't been folded and are all on the same fresh paper. :lol:

Some of the replies are amazing as well, very funny. But what kind of person fakes kids letters to themselves?



Huh? Apples dont fall far from the tree. She is the daughter of the fake crowd size king.

Affirmation is oxygen to the Trumps.
 
It's not, at least not by Western standards of Checks & Balances. A crime is what the federal laws says under the interpretation of independant judges: the judicial branch. In the end it's them who find people guilty/not guilty. Judges in the SC get appointed for lifetime for the one and only reason of being able to judge on their own politically independant assesment.

Still I suppose presidential pardon can make some sense in cases with political affluence.
1) As we have the oldest written Constitution still in use, I'd say we kinda set the framework for modern Checks and Balances.

2) That's not how our system works.

The way our system works places the head of the Executive (the Branch that puts federal laws into action) over the Justice Dept. If the head of the Executive can decide if a law is executed or not (Executive order), then they have the power to decide if a consequence of breaking such a law is executed or not.
 
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