The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated
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Is anyone surprised anymore? It's not like they try to hide it.
About Russia?
But what is the wording of his mandate? Surely he doesn't have a blanque cheque to investigate anything regarding Trump.
It doesn't work like that though. He was given scope to investigate Russian collusion and connections to the Trump organisation. From there his investigation has apparently branched out to other areas simply because the dumbasses have opened the door to those areas being investigated.
Each time they lie or say something like "well he better no be looking at my (Trump's) finances" Then that opens the door for the investigation to go down that road. Trump's actions and those of people close to him such as Sessions, Manafort, Kushner and Trump Jr have been so self incriminating, Mueller would have to be completely corrupt or totally inept and incompetent to not follow the crumbs they are leaving behind.
Regarding his tax returns being investigated, I've seen various people say "well they won't be made public, it will only be for Mueller and his team to see".
While that is true, it's worth remembering that Mueller will have to choose a fairly sizeable team to go through his tax returns. Even just a single year's worth would take months and months to investigate and that's without following all the different offshoots that spring up.
You then multiply that by 5/10/15 tax years and you see how large the investigation will need to be.
You know what an easy way to get that work done for you is? Leaking details to rabid reporters who love to get their teeth into that sort of thing and sniff out the dirt. Then you have the added bonus of the dirt being aired in public and the people involved incriminating themselves further with their dodgey denials.
While that is true, it's worth remembering that Mueller will have to choose a fairly sizeable team to go through his tax returns. Even just a single year's worth would take months and months to investigate and that's without following all the different offshoots that spring up.
You then multiply that by 5/10/15 tax years and you see how large the investigation will need to be.
You know what an easy way to get that work done for you is? Leaking details to rabid reporters who love to get their teeth into that sort of thing and sniff out the dirt. Then you have the added bonus of the dirt being aired in public and the people involved incriminating themselves further with their dodgey denials.
What do you mean it doesn't work like that? The scope you're talking about is binding and should be limited from a legal point of view. And I can't imagine that the scope is to investigate any wrong doing from Trump, but things related to the 2016 elections.
Leaks like that could backfire. It would be very clear where it came from.
That's not an easy way and it's also a bad way. Leaving aside the confidentiality issue that is also very important (and it's breach does harm to the whole investigation), what you sure as hell don't want is journalists trying to paint a picture with limited eyesight and speculating around. The results will be worthless for the investigation because you don't really know who and how they worked them out.
Well it's quite clear that the scope of investigation is flexible. It's impossible to say he can only investigate one area of wrongdoing (alleged) when those areas open up other avenues of possible illegalities or when the dumbasses being investigated cant keep their mouths shut or get their stories straight. I'm sure if the police were I investigating you for say drug smuggling they wouldn't ignore it if they found you had committed murder too. This investigation is no different and rightly so. Putting restrictions on are unrealistic and implausible.
Person on CNN blatantly saying WH behind the leak.
Here is the appointment letter from Rod Rosenstein.
Mueller's primary responsibility is to continue the FBI's investigation into Russian interference and all related matters however per point (d) in the appointment letter it states that sections 600.4 through 600.10 of Title 28 C.F.R. apply.
600.4(b) gives Mueller the authority to investigate any other crimes uncovered provided he gets the approval of the AG in charge. So yes he has been given specific parameters for his investigation however with Rosenstein's OK he can shift these as far as he likes.
Any dodgy historical transactions involving Trump and Russians / Russian connected individuals may fall within the scope of the original investigation anyway (establishing or confirming relationships etc.) but if there's any doubt all Bob and team need is the sign off from Rosenstein.
And it wouldn't be too hard to investigate financial crimes and obstruction branching off from the investigation into collusion without consulting Rosenstein, as the financial crimes and obstruction will (most likely) be connected to Russia anyway.
He's gone off the rail again this morning on twitter...accusing others of leaking things which he is probably leaking himself 
Exactly. If there's a hint of anything Russian in a prior business relationship then it's likely to fall under the scope of the original mandate.
I should also have mentioned that any crimes resulting from the original investigation (perjury, obstruction etc.) fall under 600.4(a) and don't require approval from the AG to investigate or prosecute.
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Trump is a wimp. Nice to people of influence face to face, saying shit about them when not.
The newspaper doesn't leak it, they print the leak, idiot!
Cannot believe he's gone there!!
The newspaper doesn't leak it, they print the leak, idiot!
Cannot believe he's gone there!!
Three Hillary tweets this morning now too. You'd swear she was President or something...
He even has one that actually starts with "...what about"
He even has one that actually starts with "...what about"
It certainly puts the integrity of the justice system at risk if you investigate people, not crimes, until you find something that you can lock them up for.
I really don't think that's what is happening here though. There's more than enough probable cause, and on a range of issues, to warrant digging.
Yeah, hes crumbling.
There is a very different tone to these than the ones back in january, he has never been held accountable for anything before, ever in his life, his daddys money has seen to that. Now he finds that in the job he thought would make him king, he has less freedom to do what the feck he likes than he has ever had before.
I am not sure which will come first, one of the arses that are involved turning on him to the feds, or donny having a mental collapse.
There is a very different tone to these than the ones back in january, he has never been held accountable for anything before, ever in his life, his daddys money has seen to that. Now he finds that in the job he thought would make him king, he has less freedom to do what the feck he likes than he has ever had before.
I am not sure which will come first, one of the arses that are involved turning on him to the feds, or donny having a mental collapse.
Probably, it's hard to say at this moment. Press is doing a pretty terrible job at the moment though in my opinion. Investigation protocols will have to be made public at the end of all this I hope.
Holy shit, you weren't kiddingHe's gone off the rail again this morning on twitter...accusing others of leaking things which he is probably leaking himself
He's off his fecking rocker. WIN!
They're investigating crimes. If those crimes uncover other crimes and so on and so forth they need investigating. The only way it becomes an investigation of a person rather than their crimes is if they decide not to investigate a crime they uncover because it is not connected to said person and that isn't going to happen.
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Even by Trump's standards, today's tweets are even more unhinged.
10 tweets in 2 hours ranting and raving. Must be a record for him.
10 tweets in 2 hours ranting and raving. Must be a record for him.
BS post. They have probable cause to investigate something. As with any investigation, it can lead to more than what was originally being investigated.
Its the same sort of muddying the waters bullshit that Sessions and the GOP Reps and Sens are guilty of right now. Attacking the method of which these crimes are found out rather than the crimes themselves.
Exactly, and attacking the press who have been excellent in recent weeks/months. Aside from the CNN retraction I think most stories are well researched and executed. The Trump Jr story for example was outstanding and forced him to panic and caught him in another series of lies.
The fact Trump and the WH dont and cant deny any of the stories shows how powerful the reporting is at the moment. It is really nice to see proper investigative journalism for a change.
What do you contest in my post? I did not claim this was the case for the Trump investigation. The first word 'if' should be a hint.
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Isn't this done all the time everywhere? If you find out someone is a criminal (not saying Trump is one - that has still yet to be proven), then you start investigating every aspect of their life if you believe they're worth the time. Isn't that how you build cases about big-time guys?
As others have pointed out, this investigation started with one thing and along the way the investigators learned about new things related to their investigation, so of course they should follow those leads as well. Right? Or do you genuinely believe they should just throw out everything they uncover along the way that isn't specifically tied to the initial goal?
Ah come on now. You were totally insinuating that it could be the case here. And if you want to take it from a grammar point of view, the "if" was in the middle of the sentence and of totally subordinate meaning to the start of the sentence. You began with "certainly"!!
Yes I was insinuating it could be the case because I don't have access to the investigation material so can't make an assessment on wether they have cause for steps they take. I assume that they do but the post was related to the points Javi were making in earlier posts.
Why did he support Hillary then and not one of the dozen or so other Republicans.
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