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Buchan said:
Assange and Wikileaks have an unblemished record with their releases.
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There's literally no point arguing. At this point, It's like people have been brainwashed by social media and the echo chambers - you get "likes" for hating trump, gives you your dopamine fix and then your behaviour is reinforced.

people conveniently forget that if the DNC hadn't purposefully rigged and fecked Sanders to allow the Clintons (who conveniently bankrolled them to the tune of millions) in, then we'd never have had Trump win in the first place in all probability

Seth rich leaked the information that podesta fecked sanders to the Russians. The Russians likely gave it to trump, but that doesn't mean there wasn't wrongdoing in the first place - and the murky area that was Obama wiretapping Donald Trumps advisors, though understandable given those connections, was definitely a conflict of interest.
 
GazTheLegend said:
and the murky area that was Obama wiretapping Donald Trumps advisors, though understandable given those connections, was definitely a conflict of interest.
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You actually believe that still?
 
Trumpers really are a cult.

I'd heard the conspiracy theory that there was no Russian hacking and Seth Rich had leaked the DNC e-mails before. That's an old one. This morning however is the first time I've heard that Seth actually leaked info on the Democratic rigging of the primary against Bernie directly to the Russians.

Because... of course he did. If you uncover something like that why bother going public or reporting it to the relevant authorities when you can simply relay the information to a hostile foreign state.

The logic behind this theory is interesting to say the least.
 
GazTheLegend said:
There's literally no point arguing. At this point, It's like people have been brainwashed by social media and the echo chambers - you get "likes" for hating trump, gives you your dopamine fix and then your behaviour is reinforced.
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Exactly. Have a look at this from Facebook recently:

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I find it astonishing that, in this day and age, there are powerful media entities actively shaming citizens into not declaring their support for the President of the United States.

It is disgusting, no matter who you support. This is a slippery slope towards fascism, plain and simple.
 
Buchan said:
Exactly. Have a look at this from Facebook recently:

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I find it astonishing that, in this day and age, there are powerful media entities actively shaming citizens into not declaring their support for the President of the United States.

It is disgusting, no matter who you support. This is a slippery slope towards fascism, plain and simple.
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Err...what, how is that shaming you for liking Trump?:lol:
 
Buchan said:
Exactly. Have a look at this from Facebook recently:

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I find it astonishing that, in this day and age, there are powerful media entities actively shaming citizens into not declaring their support for the President of the United States.

It is disgusting, no matter who you support. This is a slippery slope towards fascism, plain and simple.
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:lol:

Couldn't have just been a coincidence, no? You're on a slippery slope to the Flat Earth thread there.
 
Donk87 said:
Trumpers really are a cult.

I'd heard the conspiracy theory that there was no Russian hacking and Seth Rich had leaked the DNC e-mails before. That's an old one. This morning however is the first time I've heard that Seth actually leaked info on the Democratic rigging of the primary against Bernie directly to the Russians.

Because... of course he did. If you uncover something like that why bother going public or reporting it to the relevant authorities when you can simply relay the information to a hostile foreign state.

The logic behind this theory is interesting to say the least.
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It's called mental gymnastics. And @Buchan wonders why we have such a low opinion on the intellect of his supporters.
 
Buchan said:
Assange and Wikileaks have an unblemished record with their releases.
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It's not their releases that are the problem - it's what they've withheld. Figures from Wikileaks have openly admitted they didn't leak info regarding Trump because they didn't find it "interesting enough," even though they shouldn't be in a position to judge what's interesting and what isn't, and they selectively chose when to release info on Clinton - ie, when they thought it'd cause the most damage. Their info may be reliable but it's been patently obvious what side they're choosing to release the info in aid of for a while.
 
In addition, the anti-Trump frenzy, which I alluded to earlier in the week, is a race to the bottom to see who can hate him more, and it's getting dangerously out of control. Look at Kathy Griffin's beheading stunt a few weeks back. In what world would that be an acceptable 'joke'?

People often dismiss arguments as 'whataboutism' when others offer easily-understood analogies to show how contradictory some positions are when it comes to Trump. Could you imagine the furore if somebody posed with a bloodied Obama head as some sort of quasi-political act? As often is the case, substituting personnel/parties in hostile jokes/statements/arguments often proves the lunacy of some jokes/statements/arguments. It's not 'whataboutism'.

(I know Griffin was sacked by CNN after her stunt but only after at least one day's deliberation and seeing how it was playing out. They doxxed the Reddit user behind the wrestling meme in lightning quick time, just for reference.)
 
Buchan said:
In addition, the anti-Trump frenzy, which I alluded to earlier in the week, is a race to the bottom to see who can hate him more, and it's getting dangerously out of control. Look at Kathy Griffin's beheading stunt a few weeks back. In what world would that be an acceptable 'joke'?

People often dismiss arguments as 'whataboutism' when others offer easily-understood analogies to show how contradictory some positions are when it comes to Trump. Could you imagine the furore if somebody posed with a bloodied Obama head as some sort of quasi-political act? As often is the case, substituting personnel/parties in hostile jokes/statements/arguments often proves the lunacy of some jokes/statements/arguments. It's not 'whataboutism'.

(I know Griffin was sacked by CNN after her stunt but only after at least one day's deliberation and seeing how it was playing out. They doxxed the Reddit user behind the wrestling meme in lightning quick time, just for reference.)
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Stuff like this was pretty much standard practice among a lot of frenzied Republican supporters after Obama got in. I suspect you're not really interested in that though - you're purely being selectively sympathetic towards Trump's side.
 
Buchan said:
Could you imagine the furore if somebody posed with a bloodied Obama head as some sort of quasi-political act?
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We don't really have to imagine something like that:

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Cheesy said:
Err...what, how is that shaming you for liking Trump?:lol:
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Come on, the insinuation is there for all to see. Facebook (whose data policies I detest in general, but that's another matter entirely) love letting other users know about content you've liked or commented on. If you like content from the Trump page, or any other page for that matter, Facebook have no trouble in announcing it to your entire friends list. With such a stigma attached to the White House now, and how charged the U.S. is getting on the matter, being 'found' to like pro-Trump content can have all sorts of consequences with friends, family, employers, work colleagues etc.
 
Cheesy said:
Stuff like this was pretty much standard practice among a lot of frenzied Republican supporters after Obama got in. I suspect you're not really interested in that though - you're purely being selectively sympathetic towards Trump's side.
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Forgive my ignorance, but I don't recall a paid influential media figure of a Republican persuasion insinuating that Obama be assassinated, nor make grotesque 'jokes' to glorify the suggested act either.
 
For fecks sake. People defending WikiLeaks now, have they been living under a rock the last year?

2cents said:
We don't really have to imagine something like that:
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Exactly, you only need to go back through this thread to see this has been covered time and time again. Each time to explain to people who are out to defend Trump, and it really is as if they literally hadn't noticed anything bad happening against Obama.
 
Buchan said:
Come on, the insinuation is there for all to see. Facebook (whose data policies I detest in general, but that's another matter entirely) loves letting other users know about content you've liked or commented on. If you like content from the Trump page, or any other page for that matter, Facebook have no trouble in announcing it to your entire friends list. With such a stigma attached to the White House now, and how charged the U.S. is getting on the matter, being 'found' to like pro-Trump content can have all sorts of consequences with friends, family, employers, work colleagues etc.
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You're talking as if Trump's some fringe candidate - he's the President and garnered millions of votes. The anger towards him isn't due to a slip towards fascism; it's because people see him as a significant threat to climate change action, and as the leader of a party intending to strip healthcare from millions; something which may have severely grim consequences for a lot of people. If you support him and say so on Facebook then you should be willing to own the fact that you do.
 
Buchan said:
Forgive my ignorance, but I don't recall a paid influential media figure of a Republican persuasion insinuating that Obama be assassinated, nor make grotesque 'jokes' to glorify the suggested act either.
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You sound like Jefff Sessions, you have as dodgy a memory as him too.
 
Buchan said:
They are not paid influential media figures, though. They are sociopathic nutjobs.
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That's more a reflection on Trump's support base then considering a significant number of Republicans probably wouldn't see any problem with it.
 
Buchan said:
Come on, the insinuation is there for all to see. Facebook (whose data policies I detest in general, but that's another matter entirely) loves letting other users know about content you've liked or commented on. If you like content from the Trump page, or any other page for that matter, Facebook have no trouble in announcing it to your entire friends list. With such a stigma attached to the White House now, and how charged the U.S. is getting on the matter, being 'found' to like pro-Trump content can have all sorts of consequences with friends, family, employers, work colleagues etc.
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Righto, but your first post on the matter clearly insinuated that it was Facebook policy specific to Trump where they were "actively shaming citizens into not declaring their support for the President of the United States". The truth, as you now confess, is that it's any page or post you happen to like. Presumably you can change the privacy settings too (dunno, I'm not on Facebook). Try being less disingenuous. Does your argument the power of good to just be honest.
 
Buchan said:
They are not paid influential media figures, though. They are sociopathic nutjobs.
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How about Ted Nugent? - https://www.google.ie/amp/s/thinkprogress.org/amp/p/c0da4b94c51

By the way I don't necessarily disagree with you about some of the anti-Trump hysteria. But like I argued earlier in the thread, this race-to-the-bottom style political 'activism' was actually pioneered by Trump himself and certain elements of the Republican party during the Obama years.
 
Buchan said:
They are not paid influential media figures, though. They are sociopathic nutjobs.
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What, like The Presidents butler?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...hes-investigation-after-donald-trumps-long-t/

Buchan said:
As I said, forgive me ignorance, but I can't recall any Republican cable news network linked to anything like that.
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It was ONE PERSON not a network. The Network fired her too. Why can't you just stick to facts? Why do you need hyperbole or exaggeration to try to prove your point?

Btw, members of the GOP did little to stop it when they heard it...

http://americablog.com/2014/02/gop-...ct-constituent-calls-obama-assassination.html

And a Fox News analyst also called for him to be assassinated. Do you want me to blame the whole of Fox News for that? or just say that it was ONE analyst?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/micha..._apologizes_for_Obama_assassination_joke.html

All of this is well known and documented, and there are literally hundreds more examples of people outright threatening or alluding to Obama being assassinated. Even Hillary had to apologise for herself alluding to it, too.
 
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So a self-professed 'progressive' has done nothing so far but frowned on 'liberal sense of superiority', peddling conspiracy, say the 'liberal media' will lead to fascism while right wing networks never stooped that low.

It'd be funny if it isn't so transparent.
 
Buchan said:
Come on, I read that as a metaphor, not a cry to arms to actually behead Obama.

Griffin's imagery was far more grotesque and sinister in nature, and far more clear-cut.
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"Our unholy rotten soulless criminal America destroying government killed 4 Americans in Banghazi. Period! What sort of chimpass punk would deny security, turn down 61 requests for security, then tell US forces to STAND DOWN when they were ready to kickass on the allapukes & save American lives! Obama & Clinton, thats who. They should be tried for treason & hung"

- Ted Nugent
 
Buchan said:
Come on, I read that as a metaphor, not a cry to arms to actually behead Obama.

Griffin's imagery was far more grotesque and sinister in nature, and far more clear-cut.
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Hmm..

Ted Nugent: “If Barack Obama becomes the next president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year.”

That one earned him a visit from the secret service IIRC.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
So apathy is an excuse for ignorance at best and right wing sympathy at worst?

You displayed a willful oblivion to facts that do not suit your one man crusade. It'd fit well with /r/The_Donald.
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There's a wilful ignorance of 'facts' on both sides of the aisle, yet only one side gets castigated for it.

To echo the sentiments of my OP in the thread linked above, I still believe there's nothing much between the major political parties. Both prey on whatever item is on the societal agenda at any given time, e.g. Obama and Clinton only championed same-sex marriage and LGBT+ rights when it was politically safe to do so. How is that 'progressive' or representative of my outlook as a left-leaning liberal?

Furthermore, I still see myself as belonging to neither side as neither side fully encapsulates what I believe in. There's many, many people who feel similarly. It should be easier to see, then, why the complete and utter 'witchhunt' and demonisation of one side, to use Trump's own words, can draw sympathising eyes and ears.

To repeat, I am not a Trump supporter but I believe he deserves a shot at making a real go at the job. Let's judge his tenure in four years.
 
Buchan said:
Exactly. Have a look at this from Facebook recently:

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I find it astonishing that, in this day and age, there are powerful media entities actively shaming citizens into not declaring their support for the President of the United States.

It is disgusting, no matter who you support. This is a slippery slope towards fascism, plain and simple.
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Probably been pointed out already but just in case, that's a normal facebook warning. The fact that it came up after liking a Trump post is a coincidence, it comes up for other posts too. They're not shaming anyone.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
So a self-professed 'progressive' has done nothing so far but frowned on 'liberal sense of superiority', peddling conspiracy, say the 'liberal media' will lead to fascism while right wing networks never stooped that low.

It'd be funny if it isn't so transparent.
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:lol:
Shade @Buchan
 
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