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Buchan said:
There's a wilful ignorance of 'facts' on both sides of the aisle, yet only one side gets castigated for it.

To echo the sentiments of my OP in the thread linked above, I still believe there's nothing between the major political parties. Both prey on whatever item is on the societal agenda at any given time, e.g. Obama and Clinton only championed same-sex marriage and LGBT+ rights when it was politically safe to do so. How is that 'progressive' or representative of my outlook as a left-leaning liberal?

Furthermore, I still see myself as belonging to neither side as neither side fully encapsulates what I believe in. There's many, many people who feel similarly. It should be easier to see, then, why the complete and utter 'witchhunt' and demonisation of one side, to use Trump's own words, can draw sympathising eyes and ears.
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And this is the issue here. How about you stop using Trumps words and start using your own?

Every single post you've made in this and related threads recently reads like a copy and paste job from the_donald, ripped straight off Twitter itself or from breitbart. If you're genuine in claiming to be non-partisan I would suggest that you'd do well to think about where you're getting you news from because you've very clearly been influenced by pro-Trump propaganda.

And lets stop with the first line of your post too, Louise Mench and her ilk are ridiculed in this thread almost as regularly as Trump himself. You're being massively disingenuous.
 
Buchan said:
Come on, I read that as a metaphor, not a cry to arms to actually behead Obama.

Griffin's imagery was far more grotesque and sinister in nature, and far more clear-cut.
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Other choice quotes from this Nugent fellow you seem to want to white knight for

"A Chicago, communist raised, communist educated, communist nurtured, subhuman mongrel" - Ted Nugent, admiring Obama's birth and upbringing. (02.44)



Here he is inviting Obama to suck on his machine guns and Hillary to ride one into the sunset:




So apart from Nugent calling Obama "chimpass" and a "subhuman mongrel",asking that he and Hillary Clinton be "hung" and inviting them to "suck on" and "ride" his machine guns what else draws you into defending this admirable and upstanding American gentleman?
 
Buchan said:
To repeat, I am not a Trump supporter but I believe he deserves a shot at making a real go at the job. Let's judge his tenure in four years.
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Naaaaah, I think I'll not wait 3 years and begin my judgement right now based on his 18months of campaigning, 8 years previously of saying Obama wasn't American and his woeful 6months so far.
 
The way some keep going, one would think Clinton is the fecking president.
 
Buchan said:
To repeat, I am not a Trump supporter but I believe he deserves a shot at making a real go at the job. Let's judge his tenure in four years.
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You don't see the problem with your post?
Your post would make sense if he wasn't largely responsible for a custerfeck of the last 6 months.
And where did you here Seth leaked the DNC info?
 
NinjaFletch said:
And this is the issue here. How about you stop using Trumps words and start using your own?

Every single post you've made in this and related threads recently reads like a copy and paste job from the_donald, ripped straight off Twitter itself or from breitbart. If you're genuine in claiming to be non-partisan I would suggest that you'd do well to think about where you're getting you news from because you've very clearly been influenced by pro-Trump propaganda.

And lets stop with the first line of your post too, Louise Mench and her ilk are ridiculed in this thread almost as regularly as Trump himself. You're being massively disingenuous.
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This is highly amusing seeing as the vast majority of anti-Trump posts here read exactly the same too, and usually just paraphrase articles from CNN, Washington Post et al.
 
Buchan said:
There's a wilful ignorance of 'facts' on both sides of the aisle, yet only one side gets castigated for it.

To echo the sentiments of my OP in the thread linked above, I still believe there's nothing much between the major political parties. Both prey on whatever item is on the societal agenda at any given time, e.g. Obama and Clinton only championed same-sex marriage and LGBT+ rights when it was politically safe to do so. How is that 'progressive' or representative of my outlook as a left-leaning liberal?

Furthermore, I still see myself as belonging to neither side as neither side fully encapsulates what I believe in. There's many, many people who feel similarly. It should be easier to see, then, why the complete and utter 'witchhunt' and demonisation of one side, to use Trump's own words, can draw sympathising eyes and ears.

To repeat, I am not a Trump supporter but I believe he deserves a shot at making a real go at the job. Let's judge his tenure in four years.
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You sound like one of those fans that kept saying David Moyes needed more time.
 
Buchan said:
This is highly amusing seeing as the vast majority of anti-Trump posts here read exactly the same too, and usually just paraphrase articles from CNN, Washington Post et al.
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Maybe, but I doubt any of those posters are simultaneously trying to argue that they're non-partisan. That's what I'm criticising you for.

If you are going to support Trump, which clearly you do, at least have the courage of your convictions to do it and don't try and hide behind a facade that it's somehow some mean spirited liberals fault that you think the way you do.
 
With Trump supporters, I think the shit will hit the fan when at the end of the year, they won't be able to mention a single thing he has done.
 
Buchan said:
Exactly. Have a look at this from Facebook recently:

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I find it astonishing that, in this day and age, there are powerful media entities actively shaming citizens into not declaring their support for the President of the United States.

It is disgusting, no matter who you support. This is a slippery slope towards fascism, plain and simple.
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I was shamed about liking my old neighbor last week :(:lol::lol::lol:
 
Adisa said:
The way some keep going, one would think Clinton is the fecking president.
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If she were, I'd be happy to see her brought to justice and encourage it. As it is, the focus should rightfully be on the man who does hold that position and also looks to have been compromised in some way, because that's far more alarming. Pointing fingers at her to deflect might cut in among his fans, but I'm happy enough knowing all this theatre will do nothing to change the course of Mueller's investigation. Justice will be done.
 
Fener1907 said:
If she were, I'd be happy to see her brought to justice and encourage it. As it is, the focus should rightfully be on the man who does hold that position and also looks to have been compromised in some way, because that's far more alarming. Pointing fingers at her to deflect might cut in among his fans, but I'm happy enough knowing all this theatre will do nothing to change the course of Mueller's investigation. Justice will be done.
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People don't get it. Investigate Clinton all you want but it's off no consequence. She doesn't hold public office.
The insinuation from Trumpers is, Trump must be innocent since Clinton is guilty.
WTF?
 
Buchan said:
There's a wilful ignorance of 'facts' on both sides of the aisle, yet only one side gets castigated for it.

To echo the sentiments of my OP in the thread linked above, I still believe there's nothing much between the major political parties. Both prey on whatever item is on the societal agenda at any given time, e.g. Obama and Clinton only championed same-sex marriage and LGBT+ rights when it was politically safe to do so. How is that 'progressive' or representative of my outlook as a left-leaning liberal?

Furthermore, I still see myself as belonging to neither side as neither side fully encapsulates what I believe in. There's many, many people who feel similarly. It should be easier to see, then, why the complete and utter 'witchhunt' and demonisation of one side, to use Trump's own words, can draw sympathising eyes and ears.

To repeat, I am not a Trump supporter but I believe he deserves a shot at making a real go at the job. Let's judge his tenure in four years.
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I'd rather not thanks. I'll not support a person who wants to take away healthcare from 20,000,000 people. I'll not support a person who fills cabinet positions with people who hate and want to dismantle the department they now run. I'll not support a person who has a white supremacist at his side who wants to dismantle government. I'll not support a person... Ah, I'm bored of typing. You get the gist. Trump deserves every single bit of backlash due to being what he is and what he's doing. Period.
 
senorgregster said:
I'd rather not thanks. I'll not support a person who wants to take away healthcare from 20,000,000 people. I'll not support a person who fills cabinet positions with people who hate and want to dismantle the department they now run. I'll not support a person who has a white supremacist at his side who wants to dismantle government. I'll not support a person... Ah, I'm bored of typing. You get the gist. Trump deserves every single bit of backlash due to being what he is and what he's doing. Period.
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Come on now, don't be mean. Buchan is a 'left leaning liberal' and progressive after all..
 
In threads like this there's often a weird trend of Trump sympathisers trying to argue how they're actually progressive...but just want to present the other side of the argument in order to appear as some bastion of neutrality, whilst at the same time condemning anything remotely out of place that's done by 'liberals,' and coming up with fairly weak defences for anything done by the right, ie, so and so needs more time, or it wasn't that bad, or the other side's done it as well etc. It's a fairly shite approach where someone can continuously defend Trump even though they know he's shit, simply by using the "I don't actually support him" tactic.
 
Buchan said:
There's a wilful ignorance of 'facts' on both sides of the aisle, yet only one side gets castigated for it.

To echo the sentiments of my OP in the thread linked above, I still believe there's nothing much between the major political parties. Both prey on whatever item is on the societal agenda at any given time, e.g. Obama and Clinton only championed same-sex marriage and LGBT+ rights when it was politically safe to do so. How is that 'progressive' or representative of my outlook as a left-leaning liberal?

Furthermore, I still see myself as belonging to neither side as neither side fully encapsulates what I believe in. There's many, many people who feel similarly. It should be easier to see, then, why the complete and utter 'witchhunt' and demonisation of one side, to use Trump's own words, can draw sympathising eyes and ears.

To repeat, I am not a Trump supporter but I believe he deserves a shot at making a real go at the job. Let's judge his tenure in four years.
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I'm baffled by people who use the "they're both the same" rhetoric when it's quite clearly not true. The ACA is massively different from the GOP's current plans for healthcare. The Dems attitudes to climate change vary massively from those of Trump and his party. The Dems are fairly pro-abortion whereas the religious GOP remain staunchly against it. The Dems are generally fairly liberal in their social attitudes whereas the Republicans remain firmly conservative.

You're correct that both sides try to capitalise on what is on the societal agenda - but then that is politics. Obama/Clinton may have become more pro-LGBT as attitudes started to change, but you'd have never seen same-sex marriage legalised under an incredibly religious-minded Republican President.

And the problem with the "he needs time" thing is that it assumes he's operating in the manner of a normal President when this isn't really the case. He's got a basic lack of understanding when it comes to global/domestic affairs - he was pretty much unaware of the situation in Crimea during the election, for example, and had to be informed on the matter. For someone in such a demanding position he regularly goes on bizarre Twitter rants and gets into disputes with media figures and celebrities - as President it should be his job to accept he'll receive criticism, and he should respond in a dignified manner instead of wasting his time getting into petty disagreements. He also regularly goes off on holiday to his golf course - again, a lot of this suggests he isn't really interested in doing the work of a President at all but is instead invested in the money and fame that comes from the position. It's hard to judge his tenure properly when he's not actually acting at all like a President.
 
Buchan said:
Exactly. Have a look at this from Facebook recently:

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I find it astonishing that, in this day and age, there are powerful media entities actively shaming citizens into not declaring their support for the President of the United States.

It is disgusting, no matter who you support. This is a slippery slope towards fascism, plain and simple.
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:lol: This comes up whenever I like any random persons status on Facebook and when someone who isn't friends with me likes one of my posts, but feel free to make out like it's a conspiracy.
 
Buchan said:
Forgive my ignorance, but I don't recall a paid influential media figure of a Republican persuasion insinuating that Obama be assassinated, nor make grotesque 'jokes' to glorify the suggested act either.
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You're clearly a WUM, or ignorant, or have tunnel vision, perhaps all three. Griffin was crucified and vilified by the left and right, with the left having a much harder stance against her versus when right wing types made such statements towards Obama (and Hillary).

Nugent repeatedly made outright and veiled threats towards Obama and Hillary, and Fox and a host of right wing media had him on air numerous times. https://thinkprogress.org/trump-hosts-ted-nugent-white-house-c0da4b94c51

Liz Trotta wanted both Osama and Obama knocked off.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/micha..._apologizes_for_Obama_assassination_joke.html

Glenn Beck likened Obama's administration as the Alamo and couldn't wait for the lost shot to be fired
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/mar/06/entertainment/et-foxnews6

Limbaugh said so much nonsense and pushed numerous talking points that I could fill up an entire page in this thread with links.
 
Zarlak said:
:lol: This comes up whenever I like any random persons status on Facebook and when someone who isn't friends with me likes one of my posts, but feel free to make out like it's a conspiracy.
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Well, a President filling his WH staff with his daughter, son in law and other cronies is not considering a 'start on a slippery slope to fascism', but should be given 4 years to complete his job before we rate him, but a random warning by Facebook definitely is.
 


Here he is again. He's on a roll today. This time INFLATING his own numbers (the report says 36%)

Again, I reiterate, he's fecking unbearable.
 
Buchan said:
There's a wilful ignorance of 'facts' on both sides of the aisle, yet only one side gets castigated for it.

To echo the sentiments of my OP in the thread linked above, I still believe there's nothing much between the major political parties. Both prey on whatever item is on the societal agenda at any given time, e.g. Obama and Clinton only championed same-sex marriage and LGBT+ rights when it was politically safe to do so. How is that 'progressive' or representative of my outlook as a left-leaning liberal?

Furthermore, I still see myself as belonging to neither side as neither side fully encapsulates what I believe in. There's many, many people who feel similarly. It should be easier to see, then, why the complete and utter 'witchhunt' and demonisation of one side, to use Trump's own words, can draw sympathising eyes and ears.

To repeat, I am not a Trump supporter but I believe he deserves a shot at making a real go at the job. Let's judge his tenure in four years.
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I'd rather the news focus more on his policies, as that would completely expose him. He isn't actually doing anything, going back on most of his promises (Mexico will pay for the wall, making healthcare cheaper, leaving NAFTA/NATO and even, won't golf). And the things he will pass i.e. tax reform (massive cuts for the rich) and the monstrosity that is the health care bill are gonna make the lives of many people, including his supporters, much worse.
 
Dan said:
I like how he says getting the questions is illegal. :lol:
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You wouldn't mind but he is guilty of that exact same thing himself. He got a Fox debate question or two in advance, and it's not just that, it doesn't take a genius to work out what questions you will be asked at a fecking Presidential debate. Worse still he actually cried like a baby and tried to destroy a woman and her career because she dared ask him something he didn't like in a debate. That's what I find so infuriating, his hypocrisy, double standards and how he treats people.
 
langster said:


The dumbass can't even get his hashtags right. He's unbearable.
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fishfingers15 said:
Idiot Orange Monkey only last week said 'Some people say Loretta Lynch is responsible but don't know if it's true'. I question the people who fall for this shit again and again.
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langster said:


Here he is again. He's on a roll today. This time INFLATING his own numbers (the report says 36%)

Again, I reiterate, he's fecking unbearable.
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He will soon have a psychotic break.
The fact that his powers are limited will make his mental state deteriorate quickly.
 
MrMarcello said:
He's a bully, @langster, and accustomed to getting his way or forcing people into his way.
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I know mate, and I've said it countless times that I just wish someone would stand up to him. It has to happen sooner or later.


Adisa said:
He will soon have a psychotic break.
The fact that his powers are limited will make his mental state deteriorate quickly.
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I don't want that to happen, I don't want him or his odious family to have any excuses for anything. They all need their comeuppance. Morning Joe has been running a story about him being different to 20 years ago and how his mental state has changed, I think it's bullshit. From the evidence I have seen, he hasn't changed as much, just got a lot more arrogant and nasty, but he's always been stupid, rude, bigoted, sexist and unable to speak properly.
 
langster said:
I know mate, and I've said it countless times that I just wish someone would stand up to him. It has to happen sooner or later.




I don't want that to happen, I don't want him or his odious family to have any excuses for anything. They all need their comeuppance. Morning Joe has been running a story about him being different to 20 years ago and how his mental state has changed, I think it's bullshit. From the evidence I have seen, he hasn't changed as much, just got a lot more arrogant and nasty, but he's always been stupid, rude, bigoted, sexist and unable to speak properly.
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I say that because he'n not used to people having a go at him.
He sees himself being attacked from every angle and there's nothing he can do.
The only place he can lash out is on twitter and it's driving him crazy.
 
I wonder if Buchan will acknowledge the flat out like he regurgitated about the Facebook warning?

lol who am I kidding.
 
If you truly want to judge Trump on only his policies and not a witch hunt then start with healthcare. The plans being put forth by him and his party are going to ruin the lives of many. Leave people without affordable healthcare. Leave people with health issue to be denied insurance. It will kill people.
 
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