The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated

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Red Dreams said:
you are determined by your actions, not your words.

The DNC does not want to do an honest autopsy of the defeat.

Because the truth will be revealed.

That painful exercise may help restore integrity to the party, which will help them represent the needs of those who normally vote for them.

I was listening to Perez...switched off.

good luck to the DNC.

Trump will not be taken down unless the Dems gain the house.
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Don't know enough about American politics to say much for certain, but to me as a Scandinavian he seemed like the obvious choice, and the dems more or less (to my knowledge) rigging their own election really makes it hard to see them in a good light... Guess they are lucky that the US is more or less a 2 party country where the other side is so different that most people wont leave regardless...
Would of course be interesting if someone with a lot of knowledge could do a summary for me (in pm if it derails the thread) about what went down and how most people in America view it and if it could have effects on future elections.
 
Ødegaard said:
Still cant get myself to believe Sanders was taken down by his own party... He seemed like a great option in my opinion.
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If you put aside the media war and hate speech aside, Sanders presidency will be as bad as Trump's imo. The reason Trump won was that he managed to connect with the grassroots blue collar voters. Sander will only get appreciated in NY and California and is probably as disconnected to rest of America as any other Dem candidate now. He'll find that pushing his policies will be hard even in Dem controlled houses as Trump is facing right now.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
If you put aside the media war and hate speech aside, Sanders presidency will be as bad as Trump's imo. The reason Trump won was that he managed to connect with the grassroots blue collar voters. Sander will only get appreciated in NY and California and is probably as disconnected to rest of America as any other Dem candidate now. He'll find that pushing his policies will be hard even in Dem controlled houses as Trump is facing right now.
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Medicare for All and free college tution was what got him so far.

Medicare for All resonated with many blue color states in his town halls.

He would have won easy.


Yes. He would have had a fight on his hands with a Republican house. But Obamacare would be safe for a start.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Do you know how many people hate Obamacare? I mean for medical reasons, not political. Imo it needs a major overhaul.
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you mean how many people who Need it hate it, because they have been brainwashed by lies from the Republicans?

The same Republicans who are willing to send millions to their deaths for money?

Yes. I know.
 
Red Dreams said:
you mean how many people who Need it hate it, because they have been brainwashed by lies from the Republicans?

The same Republicans who are willing to send millions to their deaths for money?

Yes. I know.
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You can't really brainwash people about healthcare. I personally know people at work who hate Obamacare and I wouldn't call them brainwashed. Most are simply due to increase in premiums and lack of affordability.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
You can't really brainwash people about healthcare. I personally know people at work who hate Obamacare and I wouldn't call them brainwashed. Most are simply due to increase in premiums and lack of affordability.
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That is where medicaid comes in. It works. Exchanges, be it Federal or if it is set up by States as is in Minnesota.

There is no need to take the High deductible plans at work.

Or high premium ones.

But what is the alternative? The Republican plan?

Medicare For All or single payer is the only logical alternative.

It will happen. From pure need.

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A fundemental difference from these private plans and State Exchanges is, private plan premiums tend to be Age based as opposed to Income based as the State plans are.
 
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Raoul said:
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She reminds me a lot of Ellen Degenerate. I completely understand why she winds people up but she does do some good journalism.
 
For someone with over 35k tweets he only actually ever says about six different things.
 
Carolina Red said:


This panel is requesting states hand over names, the last 4 digits of social security numbers, addresses, political affiliation, and voting histories for all voters.
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Problem here is the hardcore GOP base will see this as proof of voter fraud. The sane persons (everyone else) will see that as protection of personal information and preferences. The last thing I want is my information in the hands of Russians crooks and GOP asshats noting that I've voted DNC the last two GEs.
 
Giant Midget said:
But he ran as a Democrat. He's also the de facto leader of the progressive wing of the party, along with Warren (who's my great, white hope for 2020).
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He's not a Democrat therefore it was no surprise that the party desired Clinton. The DNC haven't been true progressives for decades. They've been dragged center-right by the political spectrum thanks to the deranged GOP vision. Both parties are corporate whores.

Also, Sanders has this demigod image created by an irrational supporting base. It's akin to Ron Paulites. I agree with a handful of Sanders policy stances but he's vastly overrated by his base.
 
MrMarcello said:
He's not a Democrat therefore it was no surprise that the party desired Clinton. The DNC haven't been true progressives for decades. They've been dragged center-right by the political spectrum thanks to the deranged GOP vision. Both parties are corporate whores.

Also, Sanders has this demigod image created by an irrational supporting base. It's akin to Ron Paulites. I agree with a handful of Sanders policy stances but he's vastly overrated by his base.
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It's a myth created by butt hurt Sanders fan that he would have won the general easily. The fact that Hillary got MILLIONS more votes in the primary seems to be conveniently ignored.
 
Giant Midget said:
But he ran as a Democrat. He's also the de facto leader of the progressive wing of the party, along with Warren (who's my great, white hope for 2020).
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The progressive wing only align itself with Democratic Party on election. The nominating Democratic base is Southern blacks.

The talk of rigging is tiresome. Sure, Clinton was a less than ideal candidate, but she won by 6 millions vote in the Democratic primaries. Sanders simply wasn't seen by their voting base as one of them. Would they vote for him in a GE against the GOP? Yes. But that's entirely another matter.
 
Cal? said:
It's a myth created by butt hurt Sanders fan that he would have won the general easily. The fact that Hillary got MILLIONS more votes in the primary seems to be conveniently ignored.
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Well yes, but the reason she didn't win the election was partly due to losing several key states narrowly...including in the Rust Belt area, where Sanders was quite successful in the primaries.

I don't think he'd have won easily as such, but I do think he'd have been a much stronger candidate than Hilary was. He's a far better speaker than her, and would've appealed to the message of genuine change it's clear many Americans wanted. Trump's rebuff against the assault claims by using Bill Clinton against Hilary wouldn't have been a factor at all, and Trump whole anti-establishment rhetoric wouldn't have worked either.

Granted, there may have been aspects where Sanders was weaker; his left-wing slant may have tempted away some centrists, but then you'd hope any genuine centrist/centre-right figure would be more likely to vote for a mildly left-wing social democrat figure than...well, Trump.
 
But then it would have worked both ways. Places where Clinton did better than Sanders in the primaries and won in the election we can assume Sanders wouldn't have done as well?
 
Cheesy said:
Well yes, but the reason she didn't win the election was partly due to losing several key states narrowly...including in the Rust Belt area, where Sanders was quite successful in the primaries.

I don't think he'd have won easily as such, but I do think he'd have been a much stronger candidate than Hilary was. He's a far better speaker than her, and would've appealed to the message of genuine change it's clear many Americans wanted. Trump's rebuff against the assault claims by using Bill Clinton against Hilary wouldn't have been a factor at all, and Trump whole anti-establishment rhetoric wouldn't have worked either.

Granted, there may have been aspects where Sanders was weaker; his left-wing slant may have tempted away some centrists, but then you'd hope any genuine centrist/centre-right figure would be more likely to vote for a mildly left-wing social democrat figure than...well, Trump.
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All that is true, but people are assuming that Hillary supporters would happily vote the way they're asked to again, after doing it 8 years ago.

Also, that she lost the Rust Belt area has more to do with poor campaign strategy as much as Trump. Had she spent more time solidifying her wall rather than trying to steal red states, she'd be in the White House and the world wouldn't be in chaos. :(
 
Cal? said:
Also, that she lost the Rust Belt area has more to do with poor campaign strategy as much as Trump. Had she spent more time solidifying her wall rather than trying to steal red states, she'd be in the White House and the world wouldn't be in chaos. :(
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This is a myth.

Trump also spent feck load of time in places he didnt win like Nevada, Virginia, Colorado. Of course he won so his campaign was seen as some sort of genius rather than the trainwreck it was widely considered at the time. Clinton spent loads of time in PA and OH and lost both (absolutely decimated in OH to boot). She and the Obamas camped in NC and lost decisively.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clintons-ground-game-didnt-cost-her-the-election/

It's always easy to rationalize in hindsight.
 
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