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roseguy64 said:
I still think it's going to be easier to tie him to some financial corruption than the Russia collusion. So might take a while once they go over all his taxes. The obstruction of justice could be the play but I trust his awful financials to do the job.
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Cheesy said:
They'll probably end up nailing him on something minor but important. Wouldn't be shocked if it ironically ends up being something completely avoidable but careless, too. Would be typical of Trump.
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I completely agree, probably similar to getting Al Capone on tax evasion. Although I think that the financial laws he is breaking are probably the biggest crimes. I think the whole Russia collusion isn't really explained well. A lot of people think or look at it all like he's selling out secrets to the Russians, now that could easily be the case but I think it's less dramatic and it's more financial ties. Trump didn't release his tax returns because

a) He doesn't earn as much as he says, therefore he isn't as rich as he makes out.
b) Because he doesn't give anything to charity, at all.
c) Because he has YUGE debt
d) Most of his business dealings are with the Russians and many ties to Russian gangsters/politicians etc.

Put all that together with the continued laws he is breaking with conflicts of interest and emoluments laws, plus I reckon so much more is going on illegally that it will keep investigators tied up for years. For example there are loads of reports out today like this...



It can't be all smoke, can it?
 
Raoul said:
If he gets booted from office he will no longer have a base. The angry nativists will have been defeated and he will be reduced to the lonely ravings of his twitter feed.
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A twitter feed of a former President with millions and millions of followers...

I don't think he'd have any substantial success as such, and on that front we largely agree, but even around 4-5% of the vote going to him/his surrogate candidate would be devastating for the GOP in a number of key states.

And even if we discount the possibility of Trump/someone close to him running, there's the other point I made; if they turn on him he can spill the beans on some of the dirty secrets he's got concerning the people he's worked alongside. They don't even necessarily need to be true; if he's just putting them out there then the media will be delighted to jump on any potential info they can get regarding Pence and his team.

I think the GOP would want to be careful the either way. The idea of Trump sustaining any sort of base post-impeachment may sound ridiculous, but then the idea of him ever holding the Presidency in the first place was absurd. They'll want to be very, very careful before fecking him over.
 
Raoul said:
If he gets booted from office he will no longer have a base. The angry nativists will have been defeated and he will be reduced to the lonely ravings of his twitter feed.
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Don't count on it. His supporters believe that the GOP establishment (Ryan, Reibus) doesn't support Trump and let him down in the Houses as the root cause for his failure. They'll stick with him even if he's impeached. It'll erode GOP voter base.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Don't count on it. His supporters believe that the GOP establishment (Ryan, Reibus) doesn't support Trump and let him down in the Houses as the root cause for his failure. They'll stick with him even if he's impeached. It'll erode GOP voter base.
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He will have very little support if he gets impeached. Anyone who still supports him at that point will risk being tarred with his crimes. Of the 40 odd percent who voted for him, no more than 15-20% would be left at that point.
 
Cheesy said:
A twitter feed of a former President with millions and millions of followers...

I don't think he'd have any substantial success as such, and on that front we largely agree, but even around 4-5% of the vote going to him/his surrogate candidate would be devastating for the GOP in a number of key states.

And even if we discount the possibility of Trump/someone close to him running, there's the other point I made; if they turn on him he can spill the beans on some of the dirty secrets he's got concerning the people he's worked alongside. They don't even necessarily need to be true; if he's just putting them out there then the media will be delighted to jump on any potential info they can get regarding Pence and his team.

I think the GOP would want to be careful the either way. The idea of Trump sustaining any sort of base post-impeachment may sound ridiculous, but then the idea of him ever holding the Presidency in the first place was absurd. They'll want to be very, very careful before fecking him over.
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Well at least half of his followers today are non-supporters who follow him to laugh at or criticize his latest tweet. Prior to the election he only had about 15m followers compared with the 30 or so he has today. A very small percentage I would bet are actual hard core Trump fans. The rest are trainwreck gawkers.
 
Ubik said:
Trying to think of something he could be defended on, and failing. Splain yourself langy.
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:lol:

Just his latest tweet is saying he's just come from the hospital from seeing Steve Scalise and he's asking people to pray for him, obviously the comments in reply are despicable basically instant Republican v Democrat fights all over the place, and a few arguing about gun control. There's just so much hatred it's really, really frightening and I just said that as much as I despise Trump, he's sent a message of support to an injured man and maybe it wasn't the tweet to be fighting over.

1000th page wooooo!
 
langster said:
:lol:

Just his latest tweet is saying he's just come from the hospital from seeing Steve Scalise and he's asking people to pray for him, obviously the comments in reply are despicable basically instant Republican v Democrat fights all over the place, and a few arguing about gun control. There's just so much hatred it's really, really frightening and I just said that as much as I despise Trump, he's sent a message of support to an injured man and maybe it wasn't the tweet to be fighting over.
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Suppose that's just about acceptable :D I'm guessing your request for rational discourse was overrun like the last survivor in a zombie plague though.
 
Ubik said:
Suppose that's just about acceptable :D I'm guessing your request for rational discourse was overrun like the last survivor in a zombie plague though.
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No, as usual my Tweet was completely ignored :lol: Not that I care tbh, I am not on Twitter to get followers, more just to read the news and be entertained and I try to avoid any arguing so even if people replied I would probably ignore them anyway, but it really is sickening to see the hate all the time. I feel the USA is a powder keg waiting to explode, and when it goes go off I fear it could spread like wildfire.

I'm just thankful that while the USA has definitely gone more extreme over the last 18 months, since Brexit (ugh I hate that word so much) the UK and Europe all seem to have calmed an awful lot. The love in the UK has been so overwhelmingly evident since the terror attacks and that carried through with a very subdued election despite the results and then today, just look at all the love shown for the victims of the tower fire. I know 2 companies from here (Devon) who sent drivers to London. One took food and one took blankets and clothes. There definitely feels to be a change in the air after the tensions of last year before and after the EU referendum, while the USA just seems to be going in the complete opposite direction, I mean shootings at a baseball game at 7am for fecks sake. Crazy!

UGH! Now I have to credit Hannity. I NEVER thought I would ever be saying that. Seriously, when I heard the news today I thought Hannity would have a field day knowing the shooter was a Dem and a Bernie supporter.... But all credit to the man...Here goes......



Shit. Pigs. Flying!
 
I'm betting he wishes he didn't tweet so early in the day that Scalise would make a full recovery

You just cannot say things like that that soon about gun shot wounds. My wife has seen way too many for me to think that's a good thing to do.
 
Carolina Red said:
I'm betting he wishes he didn't tweet so early in the day that Scalise would make a full recovery

You just cannot say things like that that soon about gun shot wounds. My wife has seen way too many for me to think that's a good thing to do.
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Yeah, his latest Tweet is a lot more sympathetic and less showy hence why I felt it should be defended. Apparently he's going to need a lot more surgery, poor man. My heart goes out to him and his family and all involved today. So needless and so sad :(

As for Hannity, apparently the Tweet above is very misleading and (unfortunately as expected) Hannity wasn't so gracious and kind to Bernie or Democrat supporters. I'm going to watch it in an hour and see what he really was like.
 
langster said:
Yeah, his latest Tweet is a lot more sympathetic and less showy hence why I felt it should be defended. Apparently he's going to need a lot more surgery, poor man. My heart goes out to him and his family and all involved today. So needless and so sad :(

As for Hannity, apparently the Tweet above is very misleading and (unfortunately as expected) Hannity wasn't so gracious and kind to Bernie or Democrat supporters. I'm going to watch it in an hour and see what he really was like.
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1) that's why I was discussing earlier that people were saying that the gunman was using an AK47 type rifle and not an AR15. A 7.62x39 round to the hip bone is going to completely shatter it and cause serious soft tissue damage around the bone.

2) Hannity :mad: that's about all I can comment on that.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Return Of The Whub.

As noted in the comments, anyone who's ever worked in the WH in a writing or proofreading capacity must be shaking their head in disbelief at every poorly worded and riddled with errors document this admin barf up.
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But the emails...don't forget the emails. You know she had a private server?
 
Just caught up with the nights news.

So despite feeling "vindicated", it turns out Trump himself is indeed under investigation. It's just gold.
 
Who is advising this man?

Why would anyone who isn't an idiot not see the consequences of firing Comey from a light year away? Yet the Trump White House saw it as a brilliant tactical move. Even the whole thing about leaking that he was considering firing Mueller in order to extract some obedience from him, as if life works like his TV show where you let someone know they're in danger and they beg and plead and suck your balls to stay - has resulted in the enormous revelation that he's being investigated for obstruction of justice.

I'd be hard to dismiss the possibility of there being someone with the ear of the President who wants to bring him down and is feeding him this suicidal advice, but given that everyone in there seems to be an inner-circle nut you have to put this down to comical incompetence.
 
Oscie said:
Who is advising this man?

Why would anyone who isn't an idiot not see the consequences of firing Comey from a light year away? Yet the Trump White House saw it as a brilliant tactical move. Even the whole thing about leaking that he was considering firing Mueller in order to extract some obedience from him, as if life works like his TV show where you let someone know they're in danger and they beg and plead and suck your balls to stay - has resulted in the enormous revelation that he's being investigated for obstruction of justice.

I'd be hard to dismiss the possibility of there being someone with the ear of the President who wants to bring him down and is feeding him this suicidal advice, but given that everyone in there seems to be an inner-circle nut you have to put this down to comical incompetence.
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The problem is that he's his own man and has been his entire life. When I say "his own man" I mean, he's been in charge his whole life and he is pig-headed and ignorant. He's running his office like he ran his corporations and that just doesn't work (it's debatable whether it even worked at all with his businesses either). Ironically, at a time where he needs to listen to advisers more, the title of President only makes him more powerful and this no doubt increases his self belief and increases the number of yes men around him.
 
2cents said:
Amazing times. Bizarre to see a great country like America embroiled in this mess, but it's turning into quite a thriller.

If Trump had just kept his mouth shut about Russia all along he might be in a much safer position. I can honestly see him going down the path you've laid out for him there. Especially if he truly is guilty.
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America has been a mess for a while but this clown has plummeted it to new depths
 
langster said:
I'm just thankful that while the USA has definitely gone more extreme over the last 18 months, since Brexit (ugh I hate that word so much) the UK and Europe all seem to have calmed an awful lot. The love in the UK has been so overwhelmingly evident since the terror attacks and that carried through with a very subdued election despite the results and then today, just look at all the love shown for the victims of the tower fire.
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Europe is calm, but Britain?! We don't have the extreme stuff America gets (although I'm sure Jo Cox family would have something to say about that), but I've never seen Britain more divided and fired up than it has been since last June. After the Brexit vote it was absolutely poisonous, and the election brought it all back up again. Brits come together for a crisis, but I think it would be a terrible mistake to think that the underlying tensions in the country have gone anywhere.
 
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