The Remake Draft

1) Tuppet - 1. Ronaldo
2) Paulscholes18 1. Nesta
3) crappycraperson 1. Ronaldinho
4) Downcast
5) harms
6) DavidG
7) Sjor Bepo
8) Gio
9) Enigma_87
10) P-Nut0712
11) Raees/anant
12) NoPace
13) Brwned
14) Kazi
15) EAP
16) MJJ

@Downcast
 
ronaldinho a strange pic, given that he was so unique himself I cant see how you can justify him being like any classic player in any of the lineups
 
ronaldinho a strange pic, given that he was so unique himself I cant see how you can justify him being like any classic player in any of the lineups
Bollocks, he's perfect for inside left.
 
ronaldinho a strange pic, given that he was so unique himself I cant see how you can justify him being like any classic player in any of the lineups
He would've been great for 4 or 5 here. Not sure how I feel about him emulating Gullit but then again I can't think of any modern player with the same skill set, while Ronaldinho was quite athletic at his peak
 
there was germany - argentina(1990 wc final) 50 minute highlights on youtube 2 days ago and now there isnt, who did this you bastards?:o
 
Are we saying that if Ronaldinho was available to Sachi he would have not been able to fit him in his team? I m not going for a straight clone for that Milan team, that's simply not possible.
 
Are we saying that if Ronaldinho was available to Sachi he would have not been able to fit him in his team? I m not going for a straight clone for that Milan team, that's simply not possible.

The objective is the replicate that Milan team as close as possible with modern players.

Edit: Straight clone is not possible for any team tbh!
 
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Could someone add the name of the team that each player is drafting to remake after their name in the draft sheet? It would be easier to follow for spectators and drafters in regards future players and how they'll line up.

The main problem I think many drafters will find in this is the lack of quality wingers.
 
Could someone add the name of the team that each player is drafting to remake after their name in the draft sheet? It would be easier to follow for spectators and drafters in regards future players and how they'll line up.

Here you go...

01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo
02) paulscholes18 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3) - 1. Nesta
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho
04) Downcast (Juve 1984, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1.
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) -
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) -
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) -
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) -
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) -
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) -
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1932, 2-3-5) -
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) -
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) -
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) -
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) -
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) -
 
Edit: Straight clone is not possible for any team tbh!

That's right - or it will at least be extremely difficult as far as key players are concerned ("lesser" players whose roles are more generic, if one can put it like that, might be possible to replicate like-for-like and even upgrade in terms of invidual quality).

But then again nobody expects the managers to outdo the original here - it will, in many cases, be a matter of drafting a player who possesses the original's skill set and/or characteristics to some extent, and who is a good fit in terms of what the OP stresses: Balance, interplay, what made the team what it was, etc.
 
Something i'm going to do when picking a player, I dont know if others want to follow suit, but is include a picture of both the drafted player and the one hes trying to replicate. I'll have a very brief outline as to why they are similar too, which will be good to refer back to when the games begin.
 
Something i'm going to do when picking a player, I dont know if others want to follow suit, but is include a picture of both the drafted player and the one hes trying to replicate. I'll have a very brief outline as to why they are similar too, which will be good to refer back to when the games begin.

great idea, will do the same :)
 
That's right - or it will at least be extremely difficult as far as key players are concerned ("lesser" players whose roles are more generic, if one can put it like that, might be possible to replicate like-for-like and even upgrade in terms of invidual quality).

But then again nobody expects the managers to outdo the original here - it will, in many cases, be a matter of drafting a player who possesses the original's skill set and/or characteristics to some extent, and who is a good fit in terms of what the OP stresses: Balance, interplay, what made the team what it was, etc.
Going player by player and trying to find their closest clone is never going to work IMO. It is more imperative to to replicate the overall team tactics rather than individual roles assigned to players.
 
Going player by player and trying to find their closest clone is never going to work IMO. It is more imperative to to replicate the overall team tactics rather than individual roles assigned to players.
I think that we should try to do both even if the whole ideology and team tactics are more important than like-for-like replacements.

Too early to discuss managers tactics, we'll see who chose the right path closer to the end of the drafting
 
Going player by player and trying to find their closest clone is never going to work IMO. It is more imperative to to replicate the overall team tactics rather than individual roles assigned to players.

Well, that's your take on it. I think you have to do both to a significant degree if you're going to re-create the original as per the premise. If you field a player who is too much at odds with his counterpart, he'd look out of place - it's not more complicated than that.

But, of course, if you feel that such a sacrifice (let's call it that) is worth it - because it allows you to end up with a team that, all things said and done, is a better remake, then it might be justifiable. * There's no textbook answer, really - we'll see how the different interpretations are received when we get there.

* By which I mean that it might be justifiable to you, as a particular manager - because the pool available to you, personally, might make such a sacrifice necessary: After all you're all competing for a limited number of players.
 
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I think that we should try to do both even if the whole ideology and team tactics are more important than like-for-like replacements.

Too early to discuss managers tactics, we'll see who chose the right path closer to the end of the drafting

The opposite is definitely what the draft is about. Trying to replicate the team as accurate as possible in terms of players - their roles - the team philosophy and so forth. It isn't just a regular "draft the best player for the position" type of draft. Just a heads up.
 
Only the modern personnel fits are left to the manager's interpretation.

Keep this is in mind.

And remember that this is mainly about paying tribute to the teams/systems as they were, historically - it's not about creating a variation on a theme.

The latter is what we usually do in these drafts, one could say - but this draft is a bit stricter, with less room for using your imagination.
 
The opposite is definitely what the draft is about. Trying to replicate the team as accurate as possible in terms of players - their roles - the team philosophy and so forth. It isn't just a regular "draft the best player for the position" type of draft. Just a heads up.
Yep, I know, thanks.
 
01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo
02) paulscholes18 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3) - 1. Nesta
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho
04) Downcast (Juve 1984, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) -
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) -
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) -
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) -
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) -
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) -
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1932, 2-3-5) -
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) -
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) -
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) -
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) -
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) -
 
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Thomas Müller - Der Raumdeuter



It came as a surprise to me, when I first looked at Van Gaal’s Ajax from the perspective of recreating that team, that probably the toughest player to emulate would be Jari Litmanen. Historically, number ten position is filled with talent, there are tons of players with different styles and skill set to choose from - but with the d.o.b. restriction it’s actually almost impossible to find a suitable replacement for him.



I thought long and hard about this, but in the end, I singled out the qualities that made him irreplaceable in that team and chose the player who ticked most of the boxes. The comparison between them isn’t something new, actually - here’s a quote from the brilliant article about Van Gaal’s career in The Telegraph: «It is tempting to wonder whether van Gaal saw in Muller a little of his old Ajax playmaker Jari Litmanen. “It's no secret that Louis van Gaal and I have a relationship that goes a little beyond the normal relationship between coaches and players,” Muller said, presumably as his team-mates attempted to suppress a snigger». From the first glance, they are not similar at all - easy on the eye Litmanen, with exquisite first touch and shooting technique and outwardly clumsy Thomas Müller, but if we want to understand the real connection between them, we have to look deeper.



Litmanen was bought as a successor to the brilliant Dennis Bergkamp, one of the best technicians in the history of the game, who moved to Inter Milan a season later. However brilliant on the ball Litmanen was, he wasn’t as good as Dennis, it’s hard to imagine someone that were. But a few seasons later, Frank Rijkaard famously said: "Dennis Bergkamp was brilliant for Ajax, but the best No 10 we have ever had was Jari." What qualities made him the player worthy of those words? Spatial awareness, impecable understanding of the game and an outstanding work rate. Sound familiar?



Litmanen was the personification of Van Gaal’s perfect number ten. It’s not a coincidence that it was Van Gaal, who spotted Thomas Müller’s potential and made the 20-year old a starter in one of the best sides in Europe. Müller may appear rather clumsy and unsightly, but you’ll be amazed by what you see when you look closer. His movement off the ball is, probably, the best in the world at the moment. He can drop back to midfield or make a run into the box to create a numerical advantage; he is now one of the brightest stars in Bayern and German national team, having won almost every trophy that was available to him (and he may won the last one in a few months); he is on set to overtake Klose’s record and to become the All-time World Cup top scorer… all because Van Gaal saw the reminiscence of Litmanen in him. A great summary of his game was published in The Guardian: «In other words, Müller can’t beat you with his close ball control, he can’t beat you with his pace, and he can’t beat you with his dribbling skills. He just beats you».



Here’s an absolutely brilliant video with the analysis of Müller’s game:

 
01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo
02) paulscholes18 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3) - 1. Nesta
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho
04) Downcast (Juve 1984, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) -
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) -
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) -
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) -
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) -
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1932, 2-3-5) -
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) -
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) -
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) -
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) -
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) -

@DavidG
 
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Thierry Henry/ Angel Labruna.

During my research for these two, I noticed one uncanny stat.

Labruna with river plate averaged 0.62 goals per game
Henry with Arsenal averaged 0.61 goals per game

Tell me who I'm talking about. A dynamic, skillful, pacy player able to make penetrating runs in behind defence ( normally from the left hand side) but also eqaully adept at being involved in the playmaking build up. An ice cold finisher who benefitted from having one of the games all time great support strikers feeding them with passes and linking up play. This holds true for Labruna and Pedernera as much as it does for Henry and Bergkamp.
 
01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo
02) paulscholes18 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3) - 1. Nesta
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho
04) Downcast (Juve 1984, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) -
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) -
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) -
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) -
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1932, 2-3-5) -
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) -
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) -
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) -
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) -
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) -

@Šjor Bepo
 
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Thierry Henry/ Angel Labruna.

During my research for these two, I noticed one uncanny stat.

Labruna with river plate averaged 0.62 goals per game
Henry with Arsenal averaged 0.61 goals per game

Tell me who I'm talking about. A dynamic, skillful, pacy player able to make penetrating runs in behind defence ( normally from the left hand side) but also eqaully adept at being involved in the playmaking build up. An ice cold finisher who benefitted from having one of the games all time great support strikers feeding them with passes and linking up play. This holds true for Labruna and Pedernera as much as it does for Henry and Bergkamp.

Considering you have been going on about how "fitting" other managers picks are to "replicate their replacements", I'm surprised that the links that you have outlined between your players are so weak, to be perfectly honest. Same GPG and both fed by an all time great support strikers - is that really all?
 
Considering you have been going on about how "fitting" players are to "replicate their replacements", I'm surprised that the links that you have outlined between your players are so weak, to be perfectly honest. Same GPG and both fed by an all time great support strikers - is that really all?
Read the last paragraph in full
 
Something i'm going to do when picking a player, I dont know if others want to follow suit, but is include a picture of both the drafted player and the one hes trying to replicate. I'll have a very brief outline as to why they are similar too, which will be good to refer back to when the games begin.

great idea, will do the same :)

This is a nice touch, and others may want to do this too. However, others again may not want to reveal precisely what role they have in mind for their man - which is their prerogative.

Also think we should follow the basic draft etiquette of not getting too deeply into discussions which are better saved for the matches. So, while I see no problems with stating briefly why you think Player X is a good choice, actual discussions pertaining to his suitability should be avoided.
 
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I have done - still think the links are quite tenuous. Was expecting more from you following your Ronaldinho talk.

Im sorry but I really dont see much more that I can do to prove that Henry meets the requirements of what Labruna brought to that team. I'll go on one of those family tree sites and see if I can prove they are related somehow. I will go more into detail when the match begins, but for now what I outlined really should be enough.
 
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Im sorry but I really dont see much more that I can do to prove that Henry meets the requirements of what Labruna brought to that team. I'll go on one of those family tree sites and see if I can prove they are related somehow. I will go more into detail when the match begins, but for now what I outlined really should be enough.

"Both fed by great support strikers" is a laughable 'similarity' imo (given your comments so far on Ronaldinho) - you can do better than that without having to prove they are related.

Another touchy manager added to the mix eh? Just what these drafts needed!