The Remake Draft

RE: Hargreaves, England's major issue with the "golden generation" was trying to fit 4 world class players into the same midfield. Scholes, Lampard, Gerrard and Beckham. It was overkill. They took steps to address that in 2006 which resulted in Hargreaves being named England's best player in the tournament and player of the year, but Eriksson still tried to fit Gerrard, Lampard and Beckham into the same team. Too many personalities and not enough cohesion.

Alf Ramsey figured out 40 years earlier that they had to take a different approach. Stiles, Ball and Peters all sacrificed themselves to provide a platform for Charlton to work from. The strikers played tough, selfless roles stretching the game and pressing from the front. Hunt was one of the most popular players in the country and a legendary goalscorer but he was used as a workhorse. Greaves was benched. Peters and Ball covered every blade of grass right across the pitch.

If that England team had figured that out, it's entirely possible they would've been the first team since '66 to win a tournament. The defence was undeniably world class. The midfield and forward line had some of the best players in their history. They just couldn't find the system to make it work and the players to slot into the system. Ramsey's already provided a system that works for me and there's now a rock-solid spine to build around. I just need the "shuttlers" to fit around that core - not Scholes, Lampard and Beckham, but the relentless energy of Alan Ball and the intelligence of Martin Peters, and the selflessness of them both.
 
@Brwned

Some of your players are underrated/hated here but they totally deserve to be here.
For instance, Gerrard & Terry have probably a better reputation outside the UK.
Regarding Heargraves, he was unlucky with many injuries if my memory serves me.
Your story-telling will be certainly interesting :)

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@Kazi

Happy to see Marquinhos here: the present & the future of the Seleção. Luis Enrique & Mourinho are big fans of him. This year, he will play both the Olympic Games & the Copa America while Thiago Silva & David Luiz are ignored. Since the collapse in Manchester, Marquinhos is now part of the starting 11 as a central defender. David Luiz used to be preferred only because he was acquired for 50 millions and because Laurent Blanc lacks courage.

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DavidG said:
Its why I'd like to restrict it to only those participating and the draft overlords
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Unofortunately, all the managers don't vote and we have to be pedagogical regarding the expectations of this draft in order to have 'fair results'.

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@Edgar Allan Pillow

Happy to see Deco here: he was made to be part of your team.
 
Wasn't Greaves injured, @Brwned? I'm on the phone, so it's hard to check it out myself, but it was certainly my impression that it was his injury that influenced Ramsey's choice, not tactical decision.
 
DavidG said:
Its why I'd like to restrict it to only those participating and the draft overlords
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I support this. We're not picking to build the best possible teams and we're going to have to be explaining what capabilities a player most voters will have never seen possessed to explain the role/rationale for our picks. Tough to see scan voters reading all that and caring and then voting honestly. Someone like EAP, for instance, might have drafted the players best suited to the Barca team he's trying to remake, but if a scan voter sees names like Valdivia and Blind he might be penalized, even though they're perfectly cromulent picks in this draft.
 
harms said:
Wasn't Greaves injured, @Brwned? I'm on the phone, so it's hard to check it out myself, but it was certainly my impression that it was his injury that influenced Ramsey's choice, not tactical decision.
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Greaves was injured for the quarter-final vs Argentina and the semi-final vs. Portugal which gave Hurst his chance, but he was fit for the final. He had received 14 stitches just 10 days before, so he still had that to deal with, but it's widely acknowledged it was a tactical decision in the end.

This is the famous photo of him standing in the background, in amongst a sea of elated people, looking on longingly at what could have been.

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@BrwnedSome of your players are underrated/hated here but they totally deserve to be here.

For instance, Gerrard & Terry have probably a better reputation outside the UK.
Regarding Heargraves, he was unlucky with many injuries if my memory serves me.
Your story-telling will be certainly interesting :)

Happy to see Marquinhos here: the present & the future of the Seleção. Luis Enrique & Mourinho are big fans of him. This year, he will play both the Olympic Games & the Copa America while Thiago Silva & David Luiz are ignored. Since the collapse in Manchester, Marquinhos is now part of the starting 11 as a central defender. David Luiz used to be preferred only because he was acquired for 50 millions and because Laurent Blanc lacks courage.
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You're absolutely right about Hargreaves - plagued with injury through most of his career. Still managed to be one of just two English players to win multiple Champions Leagues, with excellent performances in both finals. He was a man for the big occasion much like Stiles. Injured in his first World Cup (2002), injured after his second World Cup (2006) and he'll be forever remembered for his injury hell after winning the double in his first season here.

I had no idea Luiz has finally been dropped! Incredible. I still don't understand how he got to be a €50m player and a regular at two top clubs and the biggest international team.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
In one of the earlier drafts, someone created a gif with moving player positions. How does one go about that?

Should come in handy to explain some tactical player movements.
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I did it a few times. It's harder now, you have to pay for a subscription, before that they gave you a month of a free trial - at that particular site (don't remember the address though, still on the phone)
 
Could just create a few pictures with the players in different positions and then gif them together.
 
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Could just create a few pictures with the players in different positions and then gif them together.
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Yep, that's basically what I've done when I've used that kind of thing. Doesn't take that long - you don't need many frames in order to create something that fits the purpose.

Just move the players around on sharemytactics (or wherever), take screenshots of the relevant area (so that you don't end up with huge frames), then upload to some online gif maker or other.
 
Brwned said:
I had no idea Luiz has finally been dropped! Incredible. I still don't understand how he got to be a €50m player and a regular at two top clubs and the biggest international team.
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2 reasons:

- He was on the pitch against Germany in 2014 (1-7) while Thiago Silva was whining on the pitch during the competition.
- Very poor performance in March or April against Uruguay: a rating of 1/10 by the local press :D

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/espn-fc-...ruguay-defined-by-david-luiz-poor-performance

 
01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol 4. Ricardo Carvalho 5. Di Maria 6. David Silva 7. Carlos Tevez
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3)- 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN 4 Hummels 5. Veron 6. Marcelo 7. Cavani
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham 4. Crespo 5. Rooney 6. Gattuso 7. Kompany
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta 4. Xavi Hernandez 5. Bonucci 6. Riquelme 7. Barzagli
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal 4. Touré 5. Essien 6. Walcott 7. Badstuber
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba. 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Chiellini 6. Giuly 7. Di Natale
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng 4. Marquez 5. Lucio 6. Gundogan 7. Forlan
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben 4. De Rossi 5. Verratti 6. Klose 7. Deisler
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o 4. Samuel 5. Hazard 6. Robin van Persie 7. Sagnol
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst 4. Marchisio 5. Maicon 6. De Bruyne 7. Rakitić
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1934, 2-3-5)- 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann 4. D. Alves 5. S. Ramos 6. Agüero 7. Dybala 8. L. King
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano 3. Fabregas 4. Alexis Sanchez 5. Lampard 6. Thiago Motta 7. Azpilicueta 8. Mkhitaryan
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard 3. Cole 4. Terry 5. Kane 6. Owen 7. G. Neville 8. Hargreaves
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic 3. David Villa 4. Carrick 5. Lewandowski 6. Joaquin 7. Evra 8. Marquinhos
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. P Vieira 2. X Alonso 3. Pedro 4. G Pique 5. A Martial 6. D Blind 7. J Valdivia 8. Deco
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta 3. Reus 4. Koke 5. Cambiasso 6. Ballack 7. Torres 8. Laporte

@mazhar13
 
@Brwned

Interesting comments on the England team circa 2004. Would be interesting to see what XI you would have constructed.

However, I think in Alf Ramsay's system Beckham would be perfect as the shuttler on the right- great energy, team work, comfortable centrally and outside. Which brings me back to the post-2000 England team, I think the main issue was putting Scholes, Lamps and Gerrard in the same side. With two strikers you can only really have one, unless you played Gerrard as a left midfielder (I think that was tried but never worked); with one striker two of them but never all three.
 
Ledley king is a great pick, I considered him instead of chiellini due to an article I read about Ricardo vaghi that loosely translated to him being able to just step on the pitch and play regardless of preparation
 
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01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol 4. Ricardo Carvalho 5. Di Maria 6. David Silva 7. Carlos Tevez
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3)- 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN 4 Hummels 5. Veron 6. Marcelo 7. Cavani
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham 4. Crespo 5. Rooney 6. Gattuso 7. Kompany
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta 4. Xavi Hernandez 5. Bonucci 6. Riquelme 7. Barzagli
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal 4. Touré 5. Essien 6. Walcott 7. Badstuber
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba. 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Chiellini 6. Giuly 7. Di Natale
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng 4. Marquez 5. Lucio 6. Gundogan 7. Forlan
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben 4. De Rossi 5. Verratti 6. Klose 7. Deisler
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o 4. Samuel 5. Hazard 6. Robin van Persie 7. Sagnol
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst 4. Marchisio 5. Maicon 6. De Bruyne 7. Rakitić
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1934, 2-3-5)- 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann 4. D. Alves 5. S. Ramos 6. Agüero 7. Dybala 8. L. King
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano 3. Fabregas 4. Alexis Sanchez 5. Lampard 6. Thiago Motta 7. Azpilicueta 8. Mkhitaryan
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard 3. Cole 4. Terry 5. Kane 6. Owen 7. G. Neville 8. Hargreaves
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic 3. David Villa 4. Carrick 5. Lewandowski 6. Joaquin 7. Evra 8. Marquinhos
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. P Vieira 2. X Alonso 3. Pedro 4. G Pique 5. A Martial 6. D Blind 7. J Valdivia 8. Deco
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta 3. Reus 4. Koke 5. Cambiasso 6. Ballack 7. Torres 8. Laporte

@mazhar13
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@P-Nut0712
 
DavidG said:
Ledley king is a great pick, I considered him instead of chiellini due to an article I read about Ricardo vaghi that loosely translated to him being able to just step on the pitch and play regardless of preparation
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Thierry Henry said he's the only defender who could tackle him consistently without needing to foul him.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
@Joga Bonito considering this is a very technical draft with knowledge of both the old and new version to be able to vote properly, can we make managers/draft committee votes to count twice? If there was any draft that warrants this, this is it imo. We can even extend this to whoever posts comments in the thread. Just pure scan votes should be given less priority given the understanding of team/tactics required to vote.
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We've decided against going with the double vote rule but rest assured, we would be doing everything possible to make the format of the matches and the theme of the draft, crystal clear to voters in the match threads.

Brwned said:
This is the famous photo of him standing in the background, in amongst a sea of elated people, looking on longingly at what could have been.

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His injury played its part in Greaves exclusion initially, but given how Hurst slotted in seamlessly into the England side, there was no point in changing a 'winning side' after all. So it was definitely a tactical decision overall and imo Hurst actually played a key role in England's WC victory, but unfortunately his contributions tend to go under the radar, with the emphasis almost solely being on his WC final hattrick alone.

Interestingly enough, there were some claims that Greaves missing the WC final was one of the root causes for his alcoholism later on but if memory serves me right, Greaves himself denied those claims.
 
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01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol 4. Ricardo Carvalho 5. Di Maria 6. David Silva 7. Carlos Tevez
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3)- 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN 4 Hummels 5. Veron 6. Marcelo 7. Cavani
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham 4. Crespo 5. Rooney 6. Gattuso 7. Kompany
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta 4. Xavi Hernandez 5. Bonucci 6. Riquelme 7. Barzagli
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal 4. Touré 5. Essien 6. Walcott 7. Badstuber
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba. 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Chiellini 6. Giuly 7. Di Natale
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng 4. Marquez 5. Lucio 6. Gundogan 7. Forlan
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben 4. De Rossi 5. Verratti 6. Klose 7. Deisler
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o 4. Samuel 5. Hazard 6. Robin van Persie 7. Sagnol
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst 4. Marchisio 5. Maicon 6. De Bruyne 7. Rakitic 8. Drogba
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1934, 2-3-5)- 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann 4. D. Alves 5. S. Ramos 6. Agüero 7. Dybala 8. L. King
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano 3. Fabregas 4. Alexis Sanchez 5. Lampard 6. Thiago Motta 7. Azpilicueta 8. Mkhitaryan
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard 3. Cole 4. Terry 5. Kane 6. Owen 7. G. Neville 8. Hargreaves
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic 3. David Villa 4. Carrick 5. Lewandowski 6. Joaquin 7. Evra 8. Marquinhos
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. P Vieira 2. X Alonso 3. Pedro 4. G Pique 5. A Martial 6. D Blind 7. J Valdivia 8. Deco
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta 3. Reus 4. Koke 5. Cambiasso 6. Ballack 7. Torres 8. Laporte

@Enigma_87
 
Joga Bonito said:
there were some claims that Greaves missing the WC final was one of the prime reasons for his alcoholism later on but if memory serves me right, Greaves himself denied those claims.
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It was mainly the death of his son iirc. But yeah, can't see him missing the biggest game of his career not being a part of it too.

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"I've had far too many problems in life to worry about that one," he chuckles.

Those problems include his descent into alcoholism when age took the edge off his unique goalscoring talents and the cheers on the terraces fell silent, plus the death of four-month-old Jimmy Jnr, in 1961 from pneumonia, a loss he feels to this day when that son would be 42 and, in all probability, a dad himself.

"It kind of puts losing my World Cup winner's medal to Geoff Hurst into perspective, doesn't it?" he says in a tone of aching wistfulness. As he explains in his newly-published autobiography, Greavsie: "Jimmy's death devastated my wife, Irene, and myself. It nearly drove us out of our minds; we were inconsolable. If ever there was a time in my life I wanted to call back yesterday, it was the day young Jimmy died.

"Though we had our daughter Lynn (to be followed in later years by Mitzi, Andy and Danny) our grief lay before us. You grieve for the loss of any loved one but when it is your own child, no words can describe that grief. As parents, you expect your children to outlive you and when that doesn't happen, you become an empty shell. Jimmy was a beautiful boy and his time on this earth was all too brief."

About to celebrate his 25th anniversary without alcohol, Greaves admits he turned to booze to blot out the memory of this tragic episode. "But there were other 'reasons', too, like trying to cope with retirement though I now see them not so much as reasons as excuses.
 
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I'm hitting the hay. Anyone want to take my pick?
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I love that caf allows me to learn a lot of interesting idioms


hit the hay
When a man jacks off in an abnormally rushed fashion resulting in his hand smacking against his pubic hairs
"I'm going to hit the hay, then go to sleep"
 
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Versatile, solid, ball playing defender that has good passing range to start counters.

Slots pretty nicely on the left side half back position in a role and style what exactly the team needs.

01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol 4. Ricardo Carvalho 5. Di Maria 6. David Silva 7. Carlos Tevez
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3)- 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN 4 Hummels 5. Veron 6. Marcelo 7. Cavani
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham 4. Crespo 5. Rooney 6. Gattuso 7. Kompany
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta 4. Xavi Hernandez 5. Bonucci 6. Riquelme 7. Barzagli
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal 4. Touré 5. Essien 6. Walcott 7. Badstuber
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba. 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Chiellini 6. Giuly 7. Di Natale
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng 4. Marquez 5. Lucio 6. Gundogan 7. Forlan
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben 4. De Rossi 5. Verratti 6. Klose 7. Deisler
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o 4. Samuel 5. Hazard 6. Robin van Persie 7. Sagnol 8. Chivu
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst 4. Marchisio 5. Maicon 6. De Bruyne 7. Rakitic 8. Drogba
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1934, 2-3-5)- 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann 4. D. Alves 5. S. Ramos 6. Agüero 7. Dybala 8. L. King
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano 3. Fabregas 4. Alexis Sanchez 5. Lampard 6. Thiago Motta 7. Azpilicueta 8. Mkhitaryan
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard 3. Cole 4. Terry 5. Kane 6. Owen 7. G. Neville 8. Hargreaves
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic 3. David Villa 4. Carrick 5. Lewandowski 6. Joaquin 7. Evra 8. Marquinhos
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. P Vieira 2. X Alonso 3. Pedro 4. G Pique 5. A Martial 6. D Blind 7. J Valdivia 8. Deco
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta 3. Reus 4. Koke 5. Cambiasso 6. Ballack 7. Torres 8. Laporte

@Gio @Tuppet
 
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01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol 4. Ricardo Carvalho 5. Di Maria 6. David Silva 7. Carlos Tevez
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3)- 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN 4 Hummels 5. Veron 6. Marcelo 7. Cavani
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham 4. Crespo 5. Rooney 6. Gattuso 7. Kompany
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta 4. Xavi Hernandez 5. Bonucci 6. Riquelme 7. Barzagli
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal 4. Touré 5. Essien 6. Walcott 7. Badstuber
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba. 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Chiellini 6. Giuly 7. Di Natale
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng 4. Marquez 5. Lucio 6. Gundogan 7. Forlan
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben 4. De Rossi 5. Verratti 6. Klose 7. Deisler 8. Ivanovic
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o 4. Samuel 5. Hazard 6. Robin van Persie 7. Sagnol 8. Chivu
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst 4. Marchisio 5. Maicon 6. De Bruyne 7. Rakitic 8. Drogba
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1934, 2-3-5)- 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann 4. D. Alves 5. S. Ramos 6. Agüero 7. Dybala 8. L. King
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano 3. Fabregas 4. Alexis Sanchez 5. Lampard 6. Thiago Motta 7. Azpilicueta 8. Mkhitaryan
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard 3. Cole 4. Terry 5. Kane 6. Owen 7. G. Neville 8. Hargreaves
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic 3. David Villa 4. Carrick 5. Lewandowski 6. Joaquin 7. Evra 8. Marquinhos
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. P Vieira 2. X Alonso 3. Pedro 4. G Pique 5. A Martial 6. D Blind 7. J Valdivia 8. Deco
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta 3. Reus 4. Koke 5. Cambiasso 6. Ballack 7. Torres 8. Laporte

@Šjor Bepo
 
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01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol 4. Ricardo Carvalho 5. Di Maria 6. David Silva 7. Carlos Tevez
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3)- 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN 4 Hummels 5. Veron 6. Marcelo 7. Cavani
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham 4. Crespo 5. Rooney 6. Gattuso 7. Kompany
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta 4. Xavi Hernandez 5. Bonucci 6. Riquelme 7. Barzagli
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal 4. Touré 5. Essien 6. Walcott 7. Badstuber
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba. 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Chiellini 6. Giuly 7. Di Natale
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng 4. Marquez 5. Lucio 6. Gundogan 7. Forlan 8. Buffon
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben 4. De Rossi 5. Verratti 6. Klose 7. Deisler 8. Ivanovic
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o 4. Samuel 5. Hazard 6. Robin van Persie 7. Sagnol 8. Chivu
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst 4. Marchisio 5. Maicon 6. De Bruyne 7. Rakitic 8. Drogba
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1934, 2-3-5)- 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann 4. D. Alves 5. S. Ramos 6. Agüero 7. Dybala 8. L. King
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano 3. Fabregas 4. Alexis Sanchez 5. Lampard 6. Thiago Motta 7. Azpilicueta 8. Mkhitaryan
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard 3. Cole 4. Terry 5. Kane 6. Owen 7. G. Neville 8. Hargreaves
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic 3. David Villa 4. Carrick 5. Lewandowski 6. Joaquin 7. Evra 8. Marquinhos
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. P Vieira 2. X Alonso 3. Pedro 4. G Pique 5. A Martial 6. D Blind 7. J Valdivia 8. Deco
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta 3. Reus 4. Koke 5. Cambiasso 6. Ballack 7. Torres 8. Laporte

@DavidG
 
harms said:
I love that caf allows me to learn a lot of interesting idioms


hit the hay
When a man jacks off in an abnormally rushed fashion resulting in his hand smacking against his pubic hairs
"I'm going to hit the hay, then go to sleep"
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:lol::lol:

I've never heard that particular definition of 'hit the hay' before.
 
Anyone who I can leave my pick(s) with? Going to sleep soon and I'm not sure that it won't be before DavidG is indahouse
 
Trying to find someone to emulate the Charro Moreno role was impossible. He was able to play centrally, from the right, in an attacking role but was also able to do his work defensively, essentially covering most of the right side in the gaps left between Yacono and Munoz. He was known for his shooting from distance, and his pinpoint passes, and had the ability to unlock a game from nothing. The closest I could get with the remaining players is;

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Dejan Stankovic
 
01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol 4. Ricardo Carvalho 5. Di Maria 6. David Silva 7. Carlos Tevez
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3)- 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN 4 Hummels 5. Veron 6. Marcelo 7. Cavani
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham 4. Crespo 5. Rooney 6. Gattuso 7. Kompany
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta 4. Xavi Hernandez 5. Bonucci 6. Riquelme 7. Barzagli
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal 4. Touré 5. Essien 6. Walcott 7. Badstuber
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba. 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Chiellini 6. Giuly 7. Di Natale 8. Stankovic
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng 4. Marquez 5. Lucio 6. Gundogan 7. Forlan 8. Buffon
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben 4. De Rossi 5. Verratti 6. Klose 7. Deisler 8. Ivanovic
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o 4. Samuel 5. Hazard 6. Robin van Persie 7. Sagnol 8. Chivu
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst 4. Marchisio 5. Maicon 6. De Bruyne 7. Rakitic 8. Drogba
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1934, 2-3-5)- 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann 4. D. Alves 5. S. Ramos 6. Agüero 7. Dybala 8. L. King
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano 3. Fabregas 4. Alexis Sanchez 5. Lampard 6. Thiago Motta 7. Azpilicueta 8. Mkhitaryan
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard 3. Cole 4. Terry 5. Kane 6. Owen 7. G. Neville 8. Hargreaves
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic 3. David Villa 4. Carrick 5. Lewandowski 6. Joaquin 7. Evra 8. Marquinhos
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. P Vieira 2. X Alonso 3. Pedro 4. G Pique 5. A Martial 6. D Blind 7. J Valdivia 8. Deco
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta 3. Reus 4. Koke 5. Cambiasso 6. Ballack 7. Torres 8. Laporte

@harms
 
01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol 4. Ricardo Carvalho 5. Di Maria 6. David Silva 7. Carlos Tevez
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3)- 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN 4 Hummels 5. Veron 6. Marcelo 7. Cavani
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham 4. Crespo 5. Rooney 6. Gattuso 7. Kompany
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta 4. Xavi Hernandez 5. Bonucci 6. Riquelme 7. Barzagli
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal 4. Touré 5. Essien 6. Walcott 7. Badstuber 8. Darmian
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba. 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Chiellini 6. Giuly 7. Di Natale 8. Stankovic
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng 4. Marquez 5. Lucio 6. Gundogan 7. Forlan 8. Buffon
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben 4. De Rossi 5. Verratti 6. Klose 7. Deisler 8. Ivanovic
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o 4. Samuel 5. Hazard 6. Robin van Persie 7. Sagnol 8. Chivu
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst 4. Marchisio 5. Maicon 6. De Bruyne 7. Rakitic 8. Drogba
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1934, 2-3-5)- 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann 4. D. Alves 5. S. Ramos 6. Agüero 7. Dybala 8. L. King
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano 3. Fabregas 4. Alexis Sanchez 5. Lampard 6. Thiago Motta 7. Azpilicueta 8. Mkhitaryan
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard 3. Cole 4. Terry 5. Kane 6. Owen 7. G. Neville 8. Hargreaves
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic 3. David Villa 4. Carrick 5. Lewandowski 6. Joaquin 7. Evra 8. Marquinhos
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. P Vieira 2. X Alonso 3. Pedro 4. G Pique 5. A Martial 6. D Blind 7. J Valdivia 8. Deco
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta 3. Reus 4. Koke 5. Cambiasso 6. Ballack 7. Torres 8. Laporte

Matteo Darmian

While his stock is at it's all-time low at the caf, we all know that we signed a quality player which was highlighted by his performances at the beginning of his United career. He was even elected player of the month in August. He is a fast, athletic right back with decent passing skills, but, most importantly, he is one of the dying breed of the defensive fullbacks. In modern football one of the main objective for a fullback is to provide width and overlapping runs. The rare cases when defender stays conservative, prioritizing the defence over the offense usually come from centre backs being moved out wide.

Reiziger wasn't a center back at his time in Ajax. Despite him playing in a back three I won't even call him an RCB, like Thuram, Gentile, Burgnich etc. Frank de Boer had a more complex role - he switched between a left back, left center back and even left wing back roles, depending on the situation. Reiziger, despite being more conservative one, mostly stayed on his flank. His main strength was his physical qualities - mainly the outstanding pace. I feel that in Darmian, I have the player in the same mould. Fast, tough, safe, precise in tackles and tactically disciplined. It's not surprising that he was played as a side back for Italy, like Reiziger, who found his new position as a center back after his transfer to Barcelona.

Will elaborate later



@Downcast
 
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01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol 4. Ricardo Carvalho 5. Di Maria 6. David Silva 7. Carlos Tevez
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3)- 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN 4 Hummels 5. Veron 6. Marcelo 7. Cavani
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham 4. Crespo 5. Rooney 6. Gattuso 7. Kompany
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta 4. Xavi Hernandez 5. Bonucci 6. Riquelme 7. Barzagli 8. Senna
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal 4. Touré 5. Essien 6. Walcott 7. Badstuber 8. Darmian
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba. 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Chiellini 6. Giuly 7. Di Natale 8. Stankovic
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng 4. Marquez 5. Lucio 6. Gundogan 7. Forlan 8. Buffon
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben 4. De Rossi 5. Verratti 6. Klose 7. Deisler 8. Ivanovic
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o 4. Samuel 5. Hazard 6. Robin van Persie 7. Sagnol 8. Chivu
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst 4. Marchisio 5. Maicon 6. De Bruyne 7. Rakitic 8. Drogba
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1934, 2-3-5)- 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann 4. D. Alves 5. S. Ramos 6. Agüero 7. Dybala 8. L. King
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano 3. Fabregas 4. Alexis Sanchez 5. Lampard 6. Thiago Motta 7. Azpilicueta 8. Mkhitaryan
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard 3. Cole 4. Terry 5. Kane 6. Owen 7. G. Neville 8. Hargreaves
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic 3. David Villa 4. Carrick 5. Lewandowski 6. Joaquin 7. Evra 8. Marquinhos
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. P Vieira 2. X Alonso 3. Pedro 4. G Pique 5. A Martial 6. D Blind 7. J Valdivia 8. Deco
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta 3. Reus 4. Koke 5. Cambiasso 6. Ballack 7. Torres 8. Laporte

@crappycraperson
 
fecking Matthaus is killing me, hate him even more after this:o
 
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