The Remake Draft

Edgar Allan Pillow said:
The argument should be less on player x's characteristics and more on what player x's role in the team was, how he operated and how the modern player y would do in similar situation (and if he has played in similar role).
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Agreed. But in many cases - as mentioned before - the characteristics will be similar, at least when we're talking about more or less tangible ones.

But, yes - as said above - the task, as I see it, is to pick a player who can do what the other guy did, so that the system as such works in a similar fashion.

On the detail plane, considering the players on the whole, you don't need like-for-like in every department. It's what X can do in the role of Y - given the context of System Z. That's the game here, more than anything.
 
enough of the fecking algebra trying to explain this, its really simple. You have a blueprint, you know the players. Decide what type of player they were, what their strengths and weaknesses were, then choose the player from modern day times who resembles them the most. if there is no perfect match, get as close as you can.
 
Enigma_87 said:
I don't think they have anything in common tbh.

Meazza is quite unique footballer, that I just don't see modern example of him. Probably the only one in the draft abilitywise is Totti.
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Dang it. I was thinking about S. Mazzola (Inter legend), not Meazza.
 
Another interesting thing to consider would be playing a player in positions he has never played in his career (or has success in a quite different position), but has attribute you think would suite the position very well. e.g. Bale for Facchetti etc. Would be a hard sell in draft games, although it happen quite often in real world (thinking of how many wing backs LVG used).
 
Tuppet said:
Thats a great shout, I was thinking of someone else for that role, but yeah Starfish fits well in that role.
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Yeah. There's another great goalscoring AM available no doubt. It's just physically and play style, Gerrard is more similar to Mazzola.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I'm very sceptical of 'My player Y can do everything of player x and more' style arguments. Selling of modern players as a direct upgrade to the classic team players is just plain wrong. There are very few players who can be considered as a direct replacement.

The argument should be less on player x's characteristics and more on what player x's role in the team was, how he operated and how the modern player y would do in similar situation (and if he has played in similar role).
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I understand the point you are making however if the point can be justified and explained through the write up and the match day discussion I have no problem with it myself. If a player brings most of the attributes to the game that the original player did and is capable of playing the same role as well as having skills and capabilities that the original did not possess then I see that as an added boost as they are improving on the original whilst still sticking to the ideology of the blueprint and achieving the same as the original side set out to do.
 
01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3) - 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1932, 2-3-5) - 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano 3. Fabregas
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. Vieira 2. Xabi Alonso
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta

@Brwned
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Insane shot power.

When we were kids, Eder was a hero – but mainly, not to say only, for that reason. He was the Hulk (not the relatively underwhelming footballer, but – you know – the Hulk) of shot power.

But, yeah, more seriously - I think it's very interesting that you've gone for Neymar in that role. When you picked him I assumed you had the Zico role in mind for him.

Will be interesting to see how your team evolves, and how you end up arguing for your choices.
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The relatively underwhelming footballer actually has arguably the hardest shot in today's football. It should be interesting to try and compile a list - *censored* - can't think of many but I'm probably missing someone obvious
 
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harms said:
The relatively underwhelming footballer actually has arguably the hardest shot in today's football.
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:lol: Feck. Didn't think about that when posting the analogy.

Still, he ain't got nothing on Eder. My Eder, the one I grew up with, could kill people. Keepers, mainly. The underwhelming one is just a footballer, not a super hero, in spite of his name. Which is ridiculous, by the way. Who the feck...and so forth. But then again, the monikers given to Brazilian footballers is a subject worthy of a separate thread: Some of them are pretty clever, others are simply terrible, and others again are simply terribly stupid.
 
@Kazi picks David Villa.

01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3) - 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1932, 2-3-5) - 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano 3. Fabregas
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic 3. David Villa
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. Vieira 2. Xabi Alonso
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta

@Edgar Allan Pillow
 
Ashley Cole for me.

01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3) - 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1932, 2-3-5) - 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano 3. Fabregas
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard 3. Cole
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic 3. David Villa
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. Vieira 2. Xabi Alonso
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta
 
I really like that you not only pick players that fit in, but also go for English players. It's something that I had in mind and was hoping some of the managers would do with the nationalteams. Not only go for players with similar traits, but also look at the character of the team and sticking with the same nationality does really help.
 
Balu said:
I really like that you not only pick players that fit in, but also go for English players. It's something that I had in mind and was hoping some of the managers would do with the nationalteams. Not only go for players with similar traits, but also look at the character of the team and sticking with the same nationality does really help.
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Depends on the national team though. We have one Austrian in the team but no way you could make it out of 11 modern day Austrians.
 
Raees said:
Depends on the national team though. We have one Austrian in the team but no way you could make it out of 11 modern day Austrians.
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And Gio would be laughed out of town if he included even one contemporary Hungarian :(
 
Raees said:
Depends on the national team though. We have one Austrian in the team but no way you could make it out of 11 modern day Austrians.
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Yeah, no doubt. Every team is different, some give you the chance to do it, others don't. Obviously I won't hold it against you that you didn't pick 11 Austrians ;). Going for Alaba early was a masterstroke by the way.
 
I already have the picks of @NoPace (1st choice & 2nd choice) who has changed his drafting strategy: now he introduces speed, speed and pace!

#FollowExampleNoPace
 
Balu said:
I really like that you not only pick players that fit in, but also go for English players. It's something that I had in mind and was hoping some of the managers would do with the nationalteams. Not only go for players with similar traits, but also look at the character of the team and sticking with the same nationality does really help.
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I think it works for England because their identity hasn't really changed that much in the last 50 years. Graft, energy, pace, power, togetherness - they're the things that most people associate with the team. The two Bobby's add that layer of class but they were ultimately just a really hard working, cohesive unit. Their togetherness really was a critical part of the cohesion in that team and the system so it's necessary to replicate that, I think. Not all of the national teams were like that - some of the Brazil teams here ultimately were just a mismash of incredibly gifted players who found a way to play together - so I think that element of togetherness or a shared mentality isn't quite as important. For the England team it is.

The issue with that is because the time period's relatively short and England's pool is relatively small, so I'm halfway to re-creating the England team from 2004...but realistically almost all of the remaining players in the squad never mind the first XI don't fit. Which is good because re-creating a real team would be pretty boring...
 
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