The Remake Draft

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01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3) - 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham
04) Downcast (Juve 1984, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1932, 2-3-5) - 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. Vieira 2. Xabi Alonso
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta

@Gio
 
01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3) - 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1932, 2-3-5) - 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. Vieira 2. Xabi Alonso
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta

@Gio
 
Gerrard is the closest one to Meazza that i can think of.
 
So far @crappycraperson is making a new version of an old Milan team with not quite as old Milan ex players.
 
Downcast said:
You're making a new version of Brazil 1982 with fashion victims :D

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Oh I've got a few other fashion victims lined up to come in aswell. So far I've put in 2 muppet players and I'm seriously considering adding another.
 
Isotope said:
Gerrard is the closest one to Meazza that i can think of.
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I don't think they have anything in common tbh.

Meazza is quite unique footballer, that I just don't see modern example of him. Probably the only one in the draft abilitywise is Totti.
 
Enigma_87 said:
I don't think they have anything in common tbh.

Meazza is quite unique footballer, that I just don't see modern example of him. Probably the only one in the draft abilitywise is Totti.
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Rivaldo could be a modern example of him
 
For what it's worth, I don't see this as a "who can pick the most similar players"? The OP talks about replicating the ideology, functionality and cohesion of the team. The tactical roles are identical at an overall level and an individual level but the players needed to play the roles don't, in my view.

These are the two key rules:

Teams will be judged on how well they manage to replicate the formation, the ideology of the set-up and the modern player fits in a holistic fashion

Draft matches would be decided based on who has crafted/recreated the more coherent and cohesive tactical set-up as opposed to who might win in a fantasy encounter. Hopefully, this paves way for interesting discussions on the set-ups themselves - delving deeper into the creation/evolution etc of said set-up - and the personnel fit.
 
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01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3) - 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1932, 2-3-5) - 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. Vieira 2. Xabi Alonso
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta

@Enigma_87
 
Anyone on line I can send my pick to. About to get very busy as work so might not be on for a few hours.
 
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Brwned said:
For what it's worth, I don't see this as a "who can pick the most similar players"? The OP talks about replicating the ideology, functionality and cohesion of the team. The tactical roles are identical at an overall level and an individual level but the players needed to play the roles don't, in my view.

These are the two key rules:

Teams will be judged on how well they manage to replicate the formation, the ideology of the set-up and the modern player fits in a holistic fashion

Draft matches would be decided based on who has crafted/recreated the more coherent and cohesive tactical set-up as opposed to who might win in a fantasy encounter. Hopefully, this paves way for interesting discussions on the set-ups themselves - delving deeper into the creation/evolution etc of said set-up - and the personnel fit.
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Ultimately , the best way to replicate the functionality , ideology and cohesion of the team , is to pick the players most similar.

If for example , you would class say , bobby Moore as

Pace 84/100
Passing 82/100
Heading 91/100

Then having rio Ferdinand who is maybe

Pace 83/100
Passing 81/100
Heading 90/100

It's going to be easier to convince everyone that you've recreated the famous team as best as possible .

I'm well aware that it would be difficult for anyone to agree on such attributes and ratings , but the closer the player to the historical counterpart in terms of ability and skill , the better .
 
One of Italy's greatest strikers, Angelo Schiavio was quick, powerful striker with excellent technique. Accurate finisher and capable of using his both feet.

With the support of Meazza and Ferrari he scored 4 goals in the WC in 1934 proved to be Italy's top scorer. He effectively won them the title converting the winner proving to be the man for the occasion.

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In the counter attacking set up we need a foil with the same attributes, who can also stretch the play, use both of his feet and be the clinical striker in the right moments.


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01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3) - 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1932, 2-3-5) - 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. Vieira 2. Xabi Alonso
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta

@P-Nut0712 @mazhar13 @MJJ
 
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01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3) - 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1932, 2-3-5) - 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. Vieira 2. Xabi Alonso
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta

@Raees @anant
 
Can thank Mazhar for that one he convinced me he was the way to go.
 
01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3) - 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham
04) Downcast (Juve 1983, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery 3. Boateng
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul 3. Robben
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets 3. Eto'o
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba 3. van Bronckhorst
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1932, 2-3-5) - 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba 3. Griezmann
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. Vieira 2. Xabi Alonso
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta

@NoPace
 
Brwned said:
For what it's worth, I don't see this as a "who can pick the most similar players"? The OP talks about replicating the ideology, functionality and cohesion of the team. The tactical roles are identical at an overall level and an individual level but the players needed to play the roles don't, in my view.
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I agree with the gist of this, certainly.

The primary task is to re-create the team: The overall balance and the nuances, as much as possible.

However, in order to achieve that it's likely that you will have to pick individual players who do resemble their classic counterparts to a significant degree. In many cases key roles in the original XI were played by someone who had a certain combination of (fairly tangible) qualities that were necessary for him (without them he couldn't have functioned as he did within the system). And in such cases the natural starting point will be a player who shares those (or several of those) fairly tangible qualities.

But, again, I agree: The task isn't to hunt for players who are, let's say, superficially similar - what I personally will look at is how well the XI as a whole functions as a remake.
 
I'd put it like this: You don't necessarily need a player who is superficially similar to X. What you need is a player who can bring roughly the same to the table (as X did). I suspect that in most cases the latter will mean the former to a fair extent – but not necessarily.

As mentioned before, I think the theme definitely opens for the possibility of picking someone left field and surprising – someone you wouldn't consider at first, because he isn't all that similar, seemingly, but when it comes down to it he's actually a brilliant fit (because he can bring A, B, C and D to the table, just like his counterpart did).
 
I think you can't escape that for some of the positions you have to fill. Again an example with Meazza for my team - he played up top, as inside forward and also on the wing in that Italy 1934 WC team. That and the obvious lack similar in terms of style players in the pool I have to fill the role rather than the player's boots. For other teams and managers there are also examples of the players and the initial set up that were not 100% the same from the first match(or even year) so there should be a bit of sacrifice in terms of getting a copycat to fill in that position. It's more of a role than rather the same player.

With that being said however I think we have to keep with the theme for certain positions. For example paulscholes/marty have put RvN for Muller which makes sense. Apart from the role you got a pretty similar player as well so it ticks all boxes.
 
What do you guys make of our Greizmann = Sindelar choice in terms of position/playing style?
 
For me Eder and Neymar are quite different players in terms of their style but swapping Neymar in for Eder arguably adds to the team and I can't think of a single quality Eder has that Neymar can't bring to the table.
 
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What do you guys make of our Greizmann = Sindelar choice in terms of position/playing style?
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For me is a good pick. Griezmann is pretty versatile and moves a lot, same goes for Sindelar. Obviously a bit different players, but IMO Griezmann will fit in that role pretty nicely. He's a creator and drops deep or to the wing. It will be pretty interesting to see what you guys will come up with in attack, for me there will be the key in that set up.
 
Raees said:
What do you guys make of our Greizmann = Sindelar choice in terms of position/playing style?
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Not completely sold on that but that's a discussion for the match thread probably (plus maybe you'll solve my doubts with your write-up)
 
I'm very sceptical of 'My player Y can do everything of player x and more' style arguments. Selling of modern players as a direct upgrade to the classic team players is just plain wrong. There are very few players who can be considered as a direct replacement.

The argument should be less on player x's characteristics and more on what player x's role in the team was, how he operated and how the modern player y would do in similar situation (and if he has played in similar role).
 
P-Nut0712 said:
For me Eder and Neymar are quite different players in terms of their style but swapping Neymar in for Eder arguably adds to the team and I can't think of a single quality Eder has that Neymar can't bring to the table.
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Insane shot power.

When we were kids, Eder was a hero – but mainly, not to say only, for that reason. He was the Hulk (not the relatively underwhelming footballer, but – you know – the Hulk) of shot power.

But, yeah, more seriously - I think it's very interesting that you've gone for Neymar in that role. When you picked him I assumed you had the Zico role in mind for him.

Will be interesting to see how your team evolves, and how you end up arguing for your choices.
 
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