The Remake Draft

01)Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - HERE AT THE MOMENT
02) paulscholes18 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3) - HERE AT THE MOMENT
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - online EAP has his pick
04) Downcast (Juve 1984, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - HERE AT THE MOMENT


So we are in a position to speed up the process
 
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One of the interesting wrinkles of Herrera’s system is the narrow positioning of its right back, a player who is literally a center-right defender. This was important in the Serie A of that period, because the dominant formation called for a winger on the right side — Jair Da Costa— but no corresponding presence on the left. So defenses shifted away from that part of the pitch to fill in gaps in more dangerous areas.

It’s an interesting concept to consider in modern times, with the profusion of inverted wingers looking to cut inside onto their stronger foot. Some coaches have dealt with this by playing left-footed players on the right side of the defense (or vice versa). For us, we have someone comfortable both in the center and on the right coming out from the middle of the field to meet them as they cut inside.

Puyol is the man for the job because he meets both our positional requirements, and because he’s got the speed to slide out and cover the right flank when that’s needed. Since catenaccio calls for man-marking, he can play further out on the right in a four-man defense when needed, or slide in and become the second center back in a three-man defense.

01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3) - 1. Nesta 2 Vidal
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva
04) Downcast (Juve 1984, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1932, 2-3-5) - 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. Vieira 2. Xabi Alonso
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta

@paulscholes18 @Marty1968
 
01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3) - 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva
04) Downcast (Juve 1984, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1932, 2-3-5) - 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. Vieira 2. Xabi Alonso
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta

@crappycraperson
 
Šjor Bepo said:
@Joga Bonito @Balu @Annahnomoss @Chesterlestreet
how low can we go with player quality?
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If I understand you correctly, there is no set standard for that. You pick the player you think is the best fit for the role, based on who is available.

When people assess your team as a remake, they will have to consider how easy/difficult it actually is to come up with a modern version of Player X: In some cases the latter will be impossible, in others it will be more than possible to upgrade the original in terms of individual quality.

There's no textbook answer, in other words. But if you're worried about the critics (or voters) focusing unduly on a possible discrepancy between your man and his (classic) counterpart, I wouldn't be: The main idea is, and remains, to re-create the traits of the player, not his individual quality compared to other players. And voters will be reminded of this when the matches kick off.

I'd advise against picking crap players, though - that's just common sense.
 
Puyol is a great pick.

I was just finishing another one of my write-ups and thought about Burgnich and how his image is simplified and reduced to a very limited role. I remember my initial surprise when I watched some La Grande Inter game for the first time and discovered that it was actually a pretty common thing for Burgnich to burst forward while Facchetti stayed back in some sort of LCB role. Yes, Facchetti was the attacking one more often than not, but still.
 
harms said:
I was just finishing another one of my write-ups and thought about Burgnich and how his image is simplified and reduced to a very limited role. I remember my initial surprise when I watched some La Grande Inter game for the first time and discovered that it was actually a pretty common thing for Burgnich to burst forward while Facchetti stayed back in some sort of LCB role. Yes, Facchetti was the attacking one more often than not, but still.
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This is so true, I watched a fair few Inter games since this draft started and very surprised at both his speed and willingness to go forward. My first thought was picking a certain Chelsea defender who seemed as if his best position would be center back but is probably the most attacking full back in EPL. His last season though, put me off from picking him.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
If I understand you correctly, there is no set standard for that. You pick the player you think is the best fit for the role, based on who is available.

When people assess your team as a remake, they will have to consider how easy/difficult it actually is to come up with a modern version of Player X: In some cases the latter will be impossible, in others it will be more than possible to upgrade the original in terms of individual quality.

There's no textbook answer, in other words. But if you're worried about the critics (or voters) focusing unduly on a possible discrepancy between your man and his (classic) counterpart, I wouldn't be: The main idea is, and remains, to re-create the traits of the player, not his individual quality compared to other players. And voters will be reminded of this when the matches kick off.

I'd advise against picking crap players, though - that's just common sense.
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To me this is the toughest task in the draft, but sometimes you have to stick with the role of the player in the system. Some of the classic players you can't replicate with the pool of modern ones due to they are really once in a lifetime players. You can't possibly pick the modern Beckenbauer, or Meazza(issue that I have) or Pele etc, but you can pick the Beckenbauer role and the player who is the best fit for it in the remaining pool.

There are some non brainers like the Muller-RvN pick, but some are really hard to come up with.

To me you still have to pick a top player as he would most likely have more versatility to come with the role he's expect to fit in.
 
Tuppet said:
This is so true, I watched a fair few Inter games since this draft started and very surprised at both his speed and willingness to go forward. My first thought was picking a certain Chelsea defender who seemed as if his best position would be center back but is probably the most attacking full back in EPL. His last season though, put me off from picking him.
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Puyol is really excellent one for that Burgnich role.

Pirlo and Luis Suarez is a tough one tho. I thought the "other one" would be a better fit but still a matter of interpretation. I think you have one of the toughest tasks to replicate the Catenacio set up.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Puyol is really excellent one for that Burgnich role.

Pirlo and Luis Suarez is a tough one tho. I thought the "other one" would be a better fit but still a matter of interpretation. I think you have one of the toughest tasks to replicate the Catenacio set up.
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Yeah, it is a matter of interpretation and had Pirlo not been available I would have taken the other one in a heartbeat. However, Pirlo's proven quality in counter attacking setups, esp with Italy 06, gives him a slight edge. With Catenaccio I am looking to soak pressure and hit on counter - hardly gonna dominate the opposition midfield - and thats where Pirlo is probably better, esp his long range and more adventurous passing. His fine beard also ensure Chester's vote so thats a plus as well.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
There's no textbook answer, in other words. But if you're worried about the critics (or voters) focusing unduly on a possible discrepancy between your man and his (classic) counterpart, I wouldn't be: The main idea is, and remains, to re-create the traits of the player, not his individual quality compared to other players. And voters will be reminded of this when the matches kick off.

I'd advise against picking crap players, though - that's just common sense.
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dont really care about the voters but dont want to make it look like im taking the piss out of a draft as the player is piss poor compared to others or even compared to worst player that will be picked in the entire draft. Will try to find the better version:o
 
01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3) - 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham
04) Downcast (Juve 1984, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1932, 2-3-5) - 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. Vieira 2. Xabi Alonso
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta

@Tuppet

@harms
 
Šjor Bepo said:
dont really care about the voters but dont want to make it look like im taking the piss out of a draft as the player is piss poor compared to others or even compared to worst player that will be picked in the entire draft. Will try to find the better version:o
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Heh, yeah - that sounds a bit extreme.

I'd think of it this way, perhaps: You're supposed to re-create a classic team, one that worked a certain way. All things said and done, you probably won't be able to get close enough to doing that (re-creating the tactical nuances and the interplay and whatnot) with players who dip below a certain level; such players probably wouldn't be able to keep up with the rest of the team, and thus the whole thing would fall apart.

Having said that, I personally would pick this player:

Level: Good
Suitability 4/5

over this player

Level: Top
Suitability: 2/5

as to my thinking you simply can't have too many question marks over the suitability of individual players before questions have to be asked about the entire remake.

That's my take on it, though - doesn't mean everyone has to agree. And there's no right or wrong as such - end of the day you argue your case, just like any other draft match, just with a twist as far as the "dynamics" go.
 
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Éric Abidal

Abidal managed to conquer the hearts of all Barcelona fans on and off the pitch by showing incredible passion, intelligence, bravery (especially in how he dealt with his cancer diagnosis). Complete and versatile player, he was always one of the first names on Pep’s team sheet. In retrospective many doesn’t do him justice, focusing mostly on the defensive side of his game and his ability to drop back to the left centre back position, providing cover for his more attacking counterpart Alves. In the eyes of the spectators he became Burgnich to Brazilian Facchetti - defensive side back without any attacking instincts, but that’s a wrong impression of the Frenchman.

6 years he played for Barcelona, and he was there when Pep began his revolution. Cruyff’s philosophy was reinvented by Guardiola, and the ideas of possession dominance and total football were proclaimed as the new commandments. Abidal, an athletic left back who also was capable of covering the centre back position was told that his quality on the ball is as important as his defensive ability. He was the perfect defender for Pep - he had no visible weaknesses and because of his outstanding technique, composure and understanding of the game he became the crucial figure for Barca who was responsible for moving the ball from the defense.

While sharing his strong points with Frank de Boer, Abidal is a clear upgrade on him. He is faster, taller and stronger, but the main thing here is that he is perfectly comfortable in this mercurial defensive line, playing 2 roles at the same time - left centre back in the back three and a classic fullback in the attacking phase. It was fullbacks who allowed Ajax to constantly break Milan’s pressing in 1995 final, two defenders were covered by Milan’s forwards, they gave the ball to Van der Sar and he will find the third, unmarked defender who then began the attacking play.

Like De Boer (who eventually settled as a centre back), Abidal wasn’t the player who is going to cover the whole wing for you, like Cafu or Roberto Carlos. But for this particular system his unique set of qualities is more important - tactical discipline, reading of the game, brilliant technique and passing game makes him a perfect fit for this Van Gaal’s homage - I already mentioned in Javi Martinez’ write-up how Pep admires Van Gaal’s philosophy and it’s not a coincidence that Abidal played a key role in his teams
 
01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3) - 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham
04) Downcast (Juve 1984, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1932, 2-3-5) - 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. Vieira 2. Xabi Alonso
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta

@DavidG
 
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Ivan Cordoba

A decision had to be made, and as much as this is a surprising 3rd pick, let me explain. There are several teams who have 3 and sometimes 2 at the back formations, and the modern pool is short of players who performed well at both centre back and right back. Cordoba embodies the RCB/RB role, and I felt i had to take him now.

Alongside Henry and Labruna, Cordoba and Norberto Yacono are the two players that I can get closest to replicating from the available pool and the very limited amount of data pertaining to this La Maquina team ( screw hitler). Yacono was extremely short, yet had exceptional pace and an amazing leap for a man of his size, that his shortcomings in height very little resulted in his being hampered defensively. He was equally comfortable at right back as he was as a right sided central defender, and was happy to leave the creativity up to the famous front 5 of La Maquina so very rarely did he venture forward too far. Ivan Cordoba is one of the quickest modern day defenders ( particularly to have played in the CB position) and although his wearing of the #2 shirt was a bit of a giveaway, he did spend a lot of time as a right back, and was comfortable going forward yet excelled in defence where his pace and reading of the game often bailed out his less accomplished defensive partners. Cordoba is only 5ft 8, and being South American too, is the perfect fit for this position.
 
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01) Tuppet (Inter 1964, 1-3-4-2) - 1. Ronaldo 2. Pirlo 3. Puyol
02) paulscholes18/Marty1968 (Germany 1972, 4-3-3) - 1. Nesta 2 Vidal 3 RVN
03) crappycraperson (Milan 1989, 4-4-2) - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Thiago Silva 3. Beckham
04) Downcast (Juve 1984, Lop-sided 4-4-2) - 1. Kaká 2. Shevchenko 3. Zambrotta
05) harms (Ajax 1995, 3-3-1-3) - 1. T. Müller 2. J. Martínez 3. Abidal
06) DavidG (River 1941, 3-2-5) - 1. T. Henry 2. Bale 3. Ivan Cordoba
07) Šjor Bepo (GER 1990, 3-5-2) - 1. Suarez 2. Ribery
08) Gio (Hungary 1953, 3-2-1-4) - 1. Totti 2. Raul
09) Enigma_87 (ITA 1934, 2-3-2-3) - 1. Seedorf 2. Busquets
10) P-Nut0712/mazhar13 (BRA 1982, 4-2-2-2) - 1. Neymar 2. Pogba
11) Raees/anant (Austria 1932, 2-3-5) - 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Alaba
12) NoPace (Arsenal 1931, 3-2-2-3) - 1. Godin 2. Mascherano
13) Brwned (ENG 1966, 4-1-3-2) - 1. Rio Ferdinand 2. Gerrard
14) Kazi (BRA 1958, 4-2-4) - 1. Modrić 2. Vidic
15) EAP (Barca 1992, 3-4-3) - 1. Vieira 2. Xabi Alonso
16) MJJ/VivaJanuzaj (Dynamo 1975, 4-1-3-2) - 1.Lahm 2. Iniesta

@Šjor Bepo
 
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