Always bugged me enormously. Fury is a good boxer, but he's fortunate to have competed in a period full of underwhelming heavyweights. A prime Tyson, and many others for that matter, would have burned through this generation just as easily as Usyk has.
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Always bugged me enormously. Fury is a good boxer, but he's fortunate to have competed in a period full of underwhelming heavyweights. A prime Tyson, and many others for that matter, would have burned through this generation just as easily as Usyk has.
Whilst John Fury is one of the biggest clowns walking, let's not forget Sugar Hill saying just before the start of the 11th... 'Two rounds till undisputed'.
If the only reason you’re still standing is because the ropes are holding you up it’s ruled a knockdown, which is why the referee intervened instead of letting him continue to be pummelled. So essentially he got a count as if he was knocked down, because by the rules he was.
I kinda felt that Fury underestimated this fight
I don't think he underestimated it but he definitely thought he was better.
Which is how it should be called, except the ropes kept Fury up three times prior to the actual knockdown being called.
The 114-113 for Fury card is disgraceful.
Fury should be the best in that division. He reminds me of United over the last decade. Internal delusion and terrible people in very important positions who do him no favours at all.
The stuff you could hear from his corner was bonkers.
Deserved victory for Usyk.
The stuff you could hear from his corner was bonkers.
Deserved victory for Usyk.
Fury did well in the early to mid rounds, I thought he had Usyk's number but the Ukrainian was relentless, he gave away height and a couple of stones yèt it didn't make much difference to him. I don't mind TF but his post fight comments were classless. Best boxer won, in fact it ought to have been a unanimous decision.
Oh yeah don’t disagree at all, how anyone could think Fury wins that fight is delusional
Nah, I reckon he was shitting bricks, Geebs. He looked nervous in the pre match showdown.
I'm more of a casual boxing fan but I thought that was one of the best fights I've seen to be honest. I've seen some with more drama and one that are probably more entertaining but in terms of quality where would people tend to rank the Usyk - Fury fight?
Same as you, in that I'm a casual fan who tunes in to the big fights. It's up there with the best I've seen.
He was acting like a gack, maybe that was to cover his nerves
tell you what, he did some amount of jelly wobbling when he was up against the ropes
Is Joshua a United fan?
Ducked the fight for ages and then gets into career best shape for it, he knew what he was in for and was cacking it
Watford fan, though I don't think he's all that into football.
To be honest I think the years have caught up with Fury. He was better in this simply because he was much fitter than the Ngannou fight but it's still visible that he's on the downward curve in his career now. He's younger than Usyk but he's taken the more damaging blows in his career. His reflexes are going.
Usyk edged the fight, I struggle to see how Fury overturns it after another battle like that where he took more damage than Usyk.
Usyk edged the fight, I struggle to see how Fury overturns it after another battle like that where he took more damage than Usyk.
Even before the fight bell, he couldn't stare into Usyk's eyes, whereas Usyk looked calm in the face off. That said Fury was doing well until he got a bloody nose.
I thought that was just one of his shitty gimmicks but you guys are probably right about being nervous
I think both these fellas would struggle with Kabayal. He's fresh, younger, brings a lot of pressure, Usyk would struggle to the body big time.
I'd call it a day if I was them because there's nothing they're gonna do that will enhance their standing. Well, Fury could rematch Usyk, that's his only option but I don't think he'll win. For Usyk there's nothing whatsoever to prove.
But it won't happen with the Saudi money in town, they'll probably keep going back to the well.
I'd call it a day if I was them because there's nothing they're gonna do that will enhance their standing. Well, Fury could rematch Usyk, that's his only option but I don't think he'll win. For Usyk there's nothing whatsoever to prove.
But it won't happen with the Saudi money in town, they'll probably keep going back to the well.
it would be good for humankind if, in the rematch, they try and settle their disputes with words, instead of violence.
I think more and more people will come around to the view that Fury is a very good fighter rather than a ATG. Which some people would bizarrely make him out to be after he beat wilder. He was never anything like a top 20 all time heavy. His size and inactively blinded people.
Let’s calm down the silliness.
If Usyk was by far the better boxer and in a different class he would have battered Fury. It was a back and fourth fight that a lot of people are letting their dislike for Fury cloud their judgement on how the fight actually went. Go and watch it back with a calm head and see how back and fourth it actually was. Usyk started really well, then Fury found his rhythm and confidence and was dominating in the middle. He then got caught with a few fight changing shots and the fight swung back towards Usyk.
This was a brilliant fight between two great fighters that tbh could have gone either way on a different day because there’s really not that much between them. It’s not as if Usyk is in a different class to Fury, they fought a close fight and with a few things tinkered you could definitely see Fury taking the decision instead tbh and the close cards showed that. If not for the 10-8 the fight ends a draw, that’s not the sign of one fighter being a completely different level to the other. The idea that Usyk dominated this entire fight couldn’t be more wrong.
Would love to see them run this one back as it was a brilliant fight but also to see if Fury can make those adjustments that he needs to. He did it against Wilder in the second fight and prior to the huge game changing shots that almost put him out last night he was well in the fight and leading on the cards. In fact it’s absolutely insane how he’s done it a second time and survived the way he did last night, similar to Wilder fight where he looked completely out, somehow he found a way to stay in it and survive the round out. People can make memes of it but it’s actually insane how he’s done that for a second time and managed to stay in a huge fight like this despite looking completely out of it. Fair play to both.
Plenty of people peddled it though they’ll be a lot quieter now. At some point we can have a more realistic conversation which is; considering his talent and freakish physical attributes, has he underachieved?
The Wilder flights elevated him, and then there's the thing about his height and weight but Uysk proved an excellent boxer can overcome those disadvantages.
Out of interest while Usyk was rocking Fury, couldn't he have just taken a knee and give away the knockdown rather than take the damage and risk the fight getting ended?
Who's Wilder actually beat though? He had a lot of dross lined up to stack up his record. I don't think how dangerous he was can be confused with his actual pedigree, Detontay didn't fight and beat enough quality fighters but he was certainly fearsome.
I think Fury needed last night to cement greatness because his biggest wins are very good but I don't think they ever sealed the deal. Scraping a win over Klitschko in an awful fight, it's not like he wrestled the title away from a former champion in great fashion which to me also matters, not just who but how did you win?
This was the one where he was fighting another man that has the accolades and if he'd won a great fight or even a shit fight but dominant it would have put any doubts to rest about Furys record. But he didn't do that so now I'm looking at his career and I don't think it stacks up with the greats.
He was operating on instinct
That was a really great fight by Usyk, Fury couldn't handle his energy and aggression. Well deserved win, not sure what that judge who gave it to Fury was smoking.
What. A. Fight. The level was outstanding. Fury was winning that fight, but thought he lost his focus in round 7 and that cost him dearly. Usyk is some fighter. The GOAT imo! To be honest I found myself wanting Usyk to win. 20€ well spent!!
But another special mention to Moses Itauma as well, I think he’s even better than Usyk already..
But another special mention to Moses Itauma as well, I think he’s even better than Usyk already..
By GOAT you don't actually mean Greatest of All Tlme, surely?
Da!
Out of curiosity, who are considered the p4p GOATs in boxing?
Usyk beats them all, Ali, Marciano, Tyson, Lewis. The guys a cruiser weight fighting guys so much bigger than him. He’s an outstanding fighter in terms of skill set, mental agility and technique. He has all bases covered, he doesn’t have any weaknesses.
Most would put Sugar Ray Robinson.
I think he has a good chance of defeating everyone, but I wouldn’t have him as favorite against Ali and Lewis, maybe Tyson and Foreman too.
I was excited yesterday too in the heat of the moment, but let’s be fair, his heavyweight resume is very thin compared to the GOATs. Essentially, outside of outpointing Fury and Joshua, he doesn’t have much. And Fury is just a top 20 all timer in heavyweights, Joshua at best is a top 50.
Stop it.
Usyk has an unbelievable skill set. And heavy weights are much bigger now even compared to Tyson’s era. All this rubbish about the current heavyweight generation being no good is bollocks. They’re fittter, bigger and stronger than ever as physical preparation improves with advancing sport sciences. The skill level shown yesterday by both boxes was outstanding. Usyk’s undefeated, is an undisputed champion at cruiser and heavyweights and an Olympic champion. No other boxer has achieved that. That’s a GOAT imo!
There's always one 
At least make the effort to counter my arguments rather that just insulting me. Actually, it’s pathetic & cheap. Explain to me why you think I’m wrong or shut it and stop insulting my intelligence.