He was acting like a gack, maybe that was to cover his nerves
tell you what, he did some amount of jelly wobbling when he was up against the ropes
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tell you what, he did some amount of jelly wobbling when he was up against the ropes
Is Joshua a United fan?
Ducked the fight for ages and then gets into career best shape for it, he knew what he was in for and was cacking it
Watford fan, though I don't think he's all that into football.
To be honest I think the years have caught up with Fury. He was better in this simply because he was much fitter than the Ngannou fight but it's still visible that he's on the downward curve in his career now. He's younger than Usyk but he's taken the more damaging blows in his career. His reflexes are going.
Usyk edged the fight, I struggle to see how Fury overturns it after another battle like that where he took more damage than Usyk.
Usyk edged the fight, I struggle to see how Fury overturns it after another battle like that where he took more damage than Usyk.
Even before the fight bell, he couldn't stare into Usyk's eyes, whereas Usyk looked calm in the face off. That said Fury was doing well until he got a bloody nose.
I thought that was just one of his shitty gimmicks but you guys are probably right about being nervous
I think both these fellas would struggle with Kabayal. He's fresh, younger, brings a lot of pressure, Usyk would struggle to the body big time.
I'd call it a day if I was them because there's nothing they're gonna do that will enhance their standing. Well, Fury could rematch Usyk, that's his only option but I don't think he'll win. For Usyk there's nothing whatsoever to prove.
But it won't happen with the Saudi money in town, they'll probably keep going back to the well.
I'd call it a day if I was them because there's nothing they're gonna do that will enhance their standing. Well, Fury could rematch Usyk, that's his only option but I don't think he'll win. For Usyk there's nothing whatsoever to prove.
But it won't happen with the Saudi money in town, they'll probably keep going back to the well.
it would be good for humankind if, in the rematch, they try and settle their disputes with words, instead of violence.
I think more and more people will come around to the view that Fury is a very good fighter rather than a ATG. Which some people would bizarrely make him out to be after he beat wilder. He was never anything like a top 20 all time heavy. His size and inactively blinded people.
Let’s calm down the silliness.
If Usyk was by far the better boxer and in a different class he would have battered Fury. It was a back and fourth fight that a lot of people are letting their dislike for Fury cloud their judgement on how the fight actually went. Go and watch it back with a calm head and see how back and fourth it actually was. Usyk started really well, then Fury found his rhythm and confidence and was dominating in the middle. He then got caught with a few fight changing shots and the fight swung back towards Usyk.
This was a brilliant fight between two great fighters that tbh could have gone either way on a different day because there’s really not that much between them. It’s not as if Usyk is in a different class to Fury, they fought a close fight and with a few things tinkered you could definitely see Fury taking the decision instead tbh and the close cards showed that. If not for the 10-8 the fight ends a draw, that’s not the sign of one fighter being a completely different level to the other. The idea that Usyk dominated this entire fight couldn’t be more wrong.
Would love to see them run this one back as it was a brilliant fight but also to see if Fury can make those adjustments that he needs to. He did it against Wilder in the second fight and prior to the huge game changing shots that almost put him out last night he was well in the fight and leading on the cards. In fact it’s absolutely insane how he’s done it a second time and survived the way he did last night, similar to Wilder fight where he looked completely out, somehow he found a way to stay in it and survive the round out. People can make memes of it but it’s actually insane how he’s done that for a second time and managed to stay in a huge fight like this despite looking completely out of it. Fair play to both.
Plenty of people peddled it though they’ll be a lot quieter now. At some point we can have a more realistic conversation which is; considering his talent and freakish physical attributes, has he underachieved?
The Wilder flights elevated him, and then there's the thing about his height and weight but Uysk proved an excellent boxer can overcome those disadvantages.
Out of interest while Usyk was rocking Fury, couldn't he have just taken a knee and give away the knockdown rather than take the damage and risk the fight getting ended?
Who's Wilder actually beat though? He had a lot of dross lined up to stack up his record. I don't think how dangerous he was can be confused with his actual pedigree, Detontay didn't fight and beat enough quality fighters but he was certainly fearsome.
I think Fury needed last night to cement greatness because his biggest wins are very good but I don't think they ever sealed the deal. Scraping a win over Klitschko in an awful fight, it's not like he wrestled the title away from a former champion in great fashion which to me also matters, not just who but how did you win?
This was the one where he was fighting another man that has the accolades and if he'd won a great fight or even a shit fight but dominant it would have put any doubts to rest about Furys record. But he didn't do that so now I'm looking at his career and I don't think it stacks up with the greats.
He was operating on instinct
That was a really great fight by Usyk, Fury couldn't handle his energy and aggression. Well deserved win, not sure what that judge who gave it to Fury was smoking.
What. A. Fight. The level was outstanding. Fury was winning that fight, but thought he lost his focus in round 7 and that cost him dearly. Usyk is some fighter. The GOAT imo! To be honest I found myself wanting Usyk to win. 20€ well spent!!
But another special mention to Moses Itauma as well, I think he’s even better than Usyk already..
But another special mention to Moses Itauma as well, I think he’s even better than Usyk already..
By GOAT you don't actually mean Greatest of All Tlme, surely?
Da!
Out of curiosity, who are considered the p4p GOATs in boxing?
Usyk beats them all, Ali, Marciano, Tyson, Lewis. The guys a cruiser weight fighting guys so much bigger than him. He’s an outstanding fighter in terms of skill set, mental agility and technique. He has all bases covered, he doesn’t have any weaknesses.
Most would put Sugar Ray Robinson.
I think he has a good chance of defeating everyone, but I wouldn’t have him as favorite against Ali and Lewis, maybe Tyson and Foreman too.
I was excited yesterday too in the heat of the moment, but let’s be fair, his heavyweight resume is very thin compared to the GOATs. Essentially, outside of outpointing Fury and Joshua, he doesn’t have much. And Fury is just a top 20 all timer in heavyweights, Joshua at best is a top 50.
Stop it.
Usyk has an unbelievable skill set. And heavy weights are much bigger now even compared to Tyson’s era. All this rubbish about the current heavyweight generation being no good is bollocks. They’re fittter, bigger and stronger than ever as physical preparation improves with advancing sport sciences. The skill level shown yesterday by both boxes was outstanding. Usyk’s undefeated, is an undisputed champion at cruiser and heavyweights and an Olympic champion. No other boxer has achieved that. That’s a GOAT imo!
There's always one 
At least make the effort to counter my arguments rather that just insulting me. Actually, it’s pathetic & cheap. Explain to me why you think I’m wrong or shut it and stop insulting my intelligence.
@Inter Yer Nan not been on since last year. 
No denying it was a good fight.
Pre fight the main talk being Usyk was considered the better boxer but could he give away the height, weight and reach? There can now be no doubt pound for pound Usyk is easily the better fighter.
Completely missed round 12 after my stream went down so rewatched in full this morning in much better quality. Happy that my scorecard was exactly the same going into that last round as when I watched live.
I'm sure nobody will particular care about my round-by-round (more of a record for me to look back at if I score this again one day) but for what it's worth:
Round 1 - Fury looking comfortable and playing to the crowd, establishing the jab somewhat but a lot of these blocked and not much else other than a right hook to the body. Usyk takes this with the straight lefts to the body and the cleanest shot of the round upstairs towards the end.
Usyk 10-9, 10-9 Usyk overall
Round 2 - This is so close - Usyk clearly winning the first half of the round thanks to the clean 1-2 at the start and more bodywork, but Fury with a couple of nice bodyshots himself and a lovely counter upper-cut towards the end of the round. Gonna edge towards Fury here, but potential swing round.
Fury 10-9, 19-19 overall
Round 3 - Usyk round for me, again working the body nicely, controlling the centre of the ring and threatening more with the power hand upstairs.
Usyk 10-9, 29-28 Usyk overall
Round 4 - Usyk quick out the gates again but Fury instantly responds with a series of good body shots, starting to put more combinations together this round and step up the output with his power shots. noticeably having much more success landing upstairs as a result.
Fury 10-9, 38-38 overall
Round 5- Fury round. Continues to be busier than he was the opening rounds, more combination punching and good bodywork.
Fury 10-9, 48-47 Fury overall
Round 6 - Clearest Fury round so far - a couple of effective uppercuts in particular looked like they had an effect.
Fury 10-9, 58-56 Fury overall
Round 7 - Not as clear as I initially maybe had this, Usyk landed a few good left hands to the head, but overall I think still a Fury round. Starting to control the pace and where this fight is taking place more, working the uppercut again well and combinations. More on the front foot and using his size more to his advantage.
Fury 10-9, 68-65 Fury overall
Round 8 - Usyk more aggressive this round, trying to hold the control of the ring once again and more spiteful with his shots. The left hand landing a bit harder and a bit more clean this round. Momentum starting to shift.
Usyk 10-9, 77-75 Fury overall
Round 9 - Credit to Fury for surviving but he was very, very lucky to make it out of this round. Saved by the bell and potentially by the ref who on another day may have stopped that rather than calling a knockdown from him hitting the ropes. Usyk perhaps should have thrown caution to the wind and unloaded more before that point though and forced a finish.
Usyk 10-8, 85-85 overall
Round 10 - Usyk continuing to open up more and headhunt and having success with the left-hand the first half of the round. Noticably slowed in the second and allowed fury to continue to recover and find his way back into it a little, but did enough to clinch the round still.
Usyk 10-9, 95-94 Usyk overall
Round 11- Usyk round, continuing to press Fury on the backfoot and landing the straight lefts and a couple of sweeping overhand rights as Fury backs up. Fury having some success but a clean left-hand at the very end from Usyk really helps clinch it.
Usyk 10-9, 105-103 Usyk overall
Round 12 - Another very close round, Usyk with the much cleaner work in the first half of the round but Fury coming back with a couple of nice power shots of his own, good 1-2 and a sweeping right. Edging towards Usyk again but potential swing round.
Usyk 10-9, final score 115-112 Usyk
Based on my swing rounds, I can see 8-4 Usyk or 6-6 with the knockdown then making the difference. Not mad at any of the judges cards as this was obviously a close and highly competitive fight, but personally I can't find a scorecard with Fury winning this.
I'm sure nobody will particular care about my round-by-round (more of a record for me to look back at if I score this again one day) but for what it's worth:
Round 1 - Fury looking comfortable and playing to the crowd, establishing the jab somewhat but a lot of these blocked and not much else other than a right hook to the body. Usyk takes this with the straight lefts to the body and the cleanest shot of the round upstairs towards the end.
Usyk 10-9, 10-9 Usyk overall
Round 2 - This is so close - Usyk clearly winning the first half of the round thanks to the clean 1-2 at the start and more bodywork, but Fury with a couple of nice bodyshots himself and a lovely counter upper-cut towards the end of the round. Gonna edge towards Fury here, but potential swing round.
Fury 10-9, 19-19 overall
Round 3 - Usyk round for me, again working the body nicely, controlling the centre of the ring and threatening more with the power hand upstairs.
Usyk 10-9, 29-28 Usyk overall
Round 4 - Usyk quick out the gates again but Fury instantly responds with a series of good body shots, starting to put more combinations together this round and step up the output with his power shots. noticeably having much more success landing upstairs as a result.
Fury 10-9, 38-38 overall
Round 5- Fury round. Continues to be busier than he was the opening rounds, more combination punching and good bodywork.
Fury 10-9, 48-47 Fury overall
Round 6 - Clearest Fury round so far - a couple of effective uppercuts in particular looked like they had an effect.
Fury 10-9, 58-56 Fury overall
Round 7 - Not as clear as I initially maybe had this, Usyk landed a few good left hands to the head, but overall I think still a Fury round. Starting to control the pace and where this fight is taking place more, working the uppercut again well and combinations. More on the front foot and using his size more to his advantage.
Fury 10-9, 68-65 Fury overall
Round 8 - Usyk more aggressive this round, trying to hold the control of the ring once again and more spiteful with his shots. The left hand landing a bit harder and a bit more clean this round. Momentum starting to shift.
Usyk 10-9, 77-75 Fury overall
Round 9 - Credit to Fury for surviving but he was very, very lucky to make it out of this round. Saved by the bell and potentially by the ref who on another day may have stopped that rather than calling a knockdown from him hitting the ropes. Usyk perhaps should have thrown caution to the wind and unloaded more before that point though and forced a finish.
Usyk 10-8, 85-85 overall
Round 10 - Usyk continuing to open up more and headhunt and having success with the left-hand the first half of the round. Noticably slowed in the second and allowed fury to continue to recover and find his way back into it a little, but did enough to clinch the round still.
Usyk 10-9, 95-94 Usyk overall
Round 11- Usyk round, continuing to press Fury on the backfoot and landing the straight lefts and a couple of sweeping overhand rights as Fury backs up. Fury having some success but a clean left-hand at the very end from Usyk really helps clinch it.
Usyk 10-9, 105-103 Usyk overall
Round 12 - Another very close round, Usyk with the much cleaner work in the first half of the round but Fury coming back with a couple of nice power shots of his own, good 1-2 and a sweeping right. Edging towards Usyk again but potential swing round.
Usyk 10-9, final score 115-112 Usyk
Based on my swing rounds, I can see 8-4 Usyk or 6-6 with the knockdown then making the difference. Not mad at any of the judges cards as this was obviously a close and highly competitive fight, but personally I can't find a scorecard with Fury winning this.
Close to mine. I would have probably given round 7 to Usyk and round 12 to Fury, but the result would have been the same.
This is exactly how I saw the fight too. I felt it could go either way on the night. Great fight and hopefully the rematch happens.
At first I thought it a draw but having watched it again I think Usyk gets it.
Yep. Love Usyk but he's just not enough fights plus it's hardly a golden era
Agree with all of this apart from round 12, Fury clearly hurt Usyk in this round and what a lot of people fail to see in the fight Usyk was throwing a lot of punches throughout the fight but he was missing or being blocked much more than Fury which is why two of the judges had the fight so close.
For me it was it was 6 rounds each but Usyk wins on the 10-8 round, also subjectively one or two of the rounds could have been scored 10/10 draw.
He should have stuck with Ben Davison; Sugarhill doesn’t seem very tactically astute and and a bit entitled due to the Kronk link. Fury’s not a big enough puncher to fight the style he wants him to.
I think Fury will kick himself when he watches it back that he wasn’t more aggressive and should have pushed forward after rounds 5 & 6, Usyk looked a bit deflated at that time and Fury seemed less open when he was being aggressive with the right hand.
Usyk would have struggled against Riddick Bowe who would have been too big, prime Foreman and Prime Larry Holmes, even Leon Spinks would have given him huge problems, a top fighter like Ray Mercer would have given him huge problems, this era is just pretty average and that’s an honest opinion.
Interestingly I actually think right now Parker and a Focused Ruiz would give him problems too.
If Fury doesn't beat usyk in a rematch, a lot of the lustre has gone out of him v AJ. At least, for me. Which is a real shame. The moment will have gone.
90's had the best era of HW's ever. I think for as great as he is, Usyk would have struggled in that era to be number 1. Lewis, for instance hit too hard for him.