Gotta give credit to Usyk on winning considering he's a "foreigner in a Westernised world"The BBC just pretending Fury blaming the decision on the war in Ukraine didn't happen.
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Probably caused by that uppercut
To be fair to him, he lost far more than 1-2% in putting all the weight on, mental issues and return in his initial comeback build up to Wilder.... and obviously managed to comeback, plenty of reason to have belief in himself from that in weird circumstances, even if Wilder is just a load of tomato cans, Parker(which he lost comfortably) and the Fury trilogy(which he pretty much lost all 3, comfortably).
I think he'll comeback for more fights, but it's hard to know where he's genuine desire will be, for some, a lot comes from protecting that 0.... once it's gone, it's gone, does the desire go with it?
Usyk made the presser and just blows my mind how such a heart warming guy can become such a killer once he is inside the ring!
Just seen Drake bet half a million on Fury, wish I'd known this before the fight, that dude is a worse bettor than the guys in the betting thread on here.
Fury was always gonna lose once that bet was placed.
Fury was always gonna lose once that bet was placed.
How's Big John?
Agree with you both. Amazed some here haven’t seen that as a close fight. I honestly thought it was going to be a draw by the end.
Things went bad for Fury when his nose went. I suspect it’s badly broken.
In a way it would be sad to see but probably the optimal path for both of them is to retire at this point.
Usyk has done all he could have, he's now comfortably an all timer heavy and even an all time pound for pounder and no other person fighting right now could reasonably enhance his standing in the game of at all plus while he still performs at high level age catches to all, one could see the allure of retiring with such a pristine resume unblemished.
As for fury he did show he really was up to it and perhaps in another world where he wasn't short of motivation his and usyk's place would be reversed and while he did show up I do think he's on his way down durability wise and will be worth it for him to finally get knocker down?
The best future fight for both would be a rematch, fury could take one with Joshua as to finally settle that one, both have now made plenty but ultimately there's away more to make.
Usyk has done all he could have, he's now comfortably an all timer heavy and even an all time pound for pounder and no other person fighting right now could reasonably enhance his standing in the game of at all plus while he still performs at high level age catches to all, one could see the allure of retiring with such a pristine resume unblemished.
As for fury he did show he really was up to it and perhaps in another world where he wasn't short of motivation his and usyk's place would be reversed and while he did show up I do think he's on his way down durability wise and will be worth it for him to finally get knocker down?
The best future fight for both would be a rematch, fury could take one with Joshua as to finally settle that one, both have now made plenty but ultimately there's away more to make.
He comes off a decent guy at times but this just bellends statements, I mean is he trying to build up the rematch already? What a cnut.
Usyk 
Fury you big dosser sausage, go back to fighting bums like Chisora
Fury you big dosser sausage, go back to fighting bums like Chisora
Who does Usyk fight now, its a weird place the HW scene, maybe the Chinese lad ?
I mean Fury might want a rematch of course
I mean Fury might want a rematch of course
Parker would be the better choice if it's not fury.
Thought that Fury boxed well overall and it was a high quality fight.
Scored the fight 7-5 in Usyk's favour and felt that Usyk clearly won.
But it was the toughest fight Usyk's been in at heavyweight and for seven rounds it was interesting.
Think Fury's engine may have gone. Slowed down, got clipped.
Scored the fight 7-5 in Usyk's favour and felt that Usyk clearly won.
But it was the toughest fight Usyk's been in at heavyweight and for seven rounds it was interesting.
Think Fury's engine may have gone. Slowed down, got clipped.
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For me there was no question Usyk one the first 3 - showboating doesn't change that. Usyk probably landed double the amount of punches Fury did if not more in those 3 and was setting the pace.
Fury took over on the next 3, after that it was Usyk until the 12th where I have to hand it to Fury, he found a second wind and I wouldn't complain if he won that round
The early rounds were quite close and difficult to score.
The main thing is that Fury was boxing off the back foot and Usyk was cutting off the ring well, so for ring generalship, Usyk looked more in control. But then Fury started timing Usyk as he came in from about R3 onwards, until he got hurt at the end of R8.
But it wasn't obvious for me that Usyk won all those rounds. He did the better work in R1 and 2, but three I gave to Fury.
I felt round 11 was closer than round 12 which I gave to Usyk. I leant to Usyk in round 11 as well.
For me it was 4 possibly 5 rounds to Fury. He did pretty well in the first half of the fight up until (I think) the end of R8 where he got clipped (in a round he had been winning).
Unless Usyk thinks a rematch is a must and wants to follow their agreement, he would most likely retire. He’s got nothing else to achieve in boxing now.
There were two particular shots that really turned the momentum of the fight, I think. The one that possibly broke(?) Fury's nose (that really bothered him for the remainder of the fight) and the one that cut him. I think Fury felt he had the measure of Usyk and especially his power prior to that point and put himself in harm's way both expectant that he was in control anyway and that he could handle anything being thrown at him. It came at point when he should have been looking to press home his advantage and keep Usyk preoccupied with staying in the fight.
The swing from that moment when Fury was really surprised that his, by-then prey, had so much left in him, was massive.
It didn't look to me like Usyk was going to turn the tide back in his favour before Fury let him back in the fight, but it's credit to Usyk that he turned a small window of opportunity into a genuine momentum shift - the coming on strong in the latter rounds doesn't happen if Fury had not indulged in that hubris, for me, but who knows? Usyk's heart was tremendous in that fight anyway, so he would have gone for it with every he had regardless, and evidently, he had the power to hurt Fury if he caught him. A 10-8 round and a subsequent recovery round is just a massive shift in a fight and it'd would have been 'better' to see that come about without Fury being a component in his own demise, for me. And that's not taking anything away from Usyk, who, biggest credit I can give, looked like a product of a more elite era (70's, 90's) in there with his heart, determination and ability to cease an opportunity - that's the first time I've thought someone from this era could go back to either setting and actually compete.
Similar for me. Usyk 1 and 2; Fury 3, 4, 5, 6 and thought he was in control until that shot to nose bridge really turned the fight.
Watching Fury’s post fight interview is like watching CTE unfold in real time. Man didn’t even know what time of the year it is.
Fury got what he deserved. The bloke is a clown who is blinded by ego.
Happy for Usyk. Class person and boxer and the more skilled fighter
Happy for Usyk. Class person and boxer and the more skilled fighter
Height, weight, reach, bent ref advantage ….beaten by a cruiserweight.
Usyk the better boxer by far.
Usyk the better boxer by far.
I agree, but it will be hard for Usyk to turn down the commercial opportunities and Saudi money. He hasn’t had the same financial returns so far that other lesser boxers have, having always fought on the road. The money is not just about him and his family either. It is one thing to turn down money for yourself, but another when your country is at war and there is so much good you can do with the funds.
It was always nonsense by I presume casuals. We can now say Fury is not even the best of his era!
Even before this fight that's absolutely ridiculous.
Someone explain how the rules work in terms of knockouts and the ref’s decision in the ninth.
My (basic) understanding is that a KO is a boxer falling to the floor and receiving a 10 count, while a TKO is the ref deciding a boxer can’t continue and therefore calling the fight.
Yesterday was sort of a mix of the two, with the ref stepping in but issuing a count for a TKO. Is that standard practice?
My (basic) understanding is that a KO is a boxer falling to the floor and receiving a 10 count, while a TKO is the ref deciding a boxer can’t continue and therefore calling the fight.
Yesterday was sort of a mix of the two, with the ref stepping in but issuing a count for a TKO. Is that standard practice?
Didnt know Liev Schreiber is this much into boxing.
Fury did much better than I expected. Fully expected Usyk to KO him. I couldn't believe the bookies had Fury as favourite prior to the fight. Great fight though both gave a very good performance.
That absolute clown of a father of his has no place in his camp, especially at ringside.
The amount of useless bullshit he was yapping all fight was ridiculous, Tyson is right about the corner advice and should change that aspect if he continues on.
The amount of useless bullshit he was yapping all fight was ridiculous, Tyson is right about the corner advice and should change that aspect if he continues on.
Always bugged me enormously. Fury is a good boxer, but he's fortunate to have competed in a period full of underwhelming heavyweights. A prime Tyson, and many others for that matter, would have burned through this generation just as easily as Usyk has.
Whilst John Fury is one of the biggest clowns walking, let's not forget Sugar Hill saying just before the start of the 11th... 'Two rounds till undisputed'.
If the only reason you’re still standing is because the ropes are holding you up it’s ruled a knockdown, which is why the referee intervened instead of letting him continue to be pummelled. So essentially he got a count as if he was knocked down, because by the rules he was.
I kinda felt that Fury underestimated this fight
I don't think he underestimated it but he definitely thought he was better.
Which is how it should be called, except the ropes kept Fury up three times prior to the actual knockdown being called.
The 114-113 for Fury card is disgraceful.
Fury should be the best in that division. He reminds me of United over the last decade. Internal delusion and terrible people in very important positions who do him no favours at all.
The stuff you could hear from his corner was bonkers.
Deserved victory for Usyk.
The stuff you could hear from his corner was bonkers.
Deserved victory for Usyk.
Fury did well in the early to mid rounds, I thought he had Usyk's number but the Ukrainian was relentless, he gave away height and a couple of stones yèt it didn't make much difference to him. I don't mind TF but his post fight comments were classless. Best boxer won, in fact it ought to have been a unanimous decision.
Oh yeah don’t disagree at all, how anyone could think Fury wins that fight is delusional
Nah, I reckon he was shitting bricks, Geebs. He looked nervous in the pre match showdown.
I'm more of a casual boxing fan but I thought that was one of the best fights I've seen to be honest. I've seen some with more drama and one that are probably more entertaining but in terms of quality where would people tend to rank the Usyk - Fury fight?
Same as you, in that I'm a casual fan who tunes in to the big fights. It's up there with the best I've seen.