The RedCafe Boxing Thread

Gringo said:
I'm surprised people wanted it to be stop there. The ref saw the knockdown (ropes holding him up) and gave him a count, albeit slow one. I believe there was less than 10 seconds anyway in the round ? I and the boxers im sure don't want a legacy defining unification fight decided by a referee intervening. Fury was hurt yes but i don't think overly dangerously so.
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Redstain said:
Those calls surprised me too, I feel like a ref needs to step in when a fighter is showing signs of being incapacitated or unable to defend themselves.

Fury got rocked and lost his equilibrium that's a vast difference. Came out well (by comparison) the following round which points towards him being dazed more than anything else.
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He was all over the place with his hands down, it was probably only his sheer size and the fact he was falling over that prevented Usyk from getting a very good final connection. I’m not saying it was a certain stoppage, but we have seen fights stopped for far less.

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youngrell said:
He was all over the place with his hands down, it was probably only his sheer size and the fact he was falling over that prevented Usyk from getting a very good final connection. I’m not saying it was a certain stoppage, but we have seen fights stopped for far less.

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I think that's the original point, though, the magnitude of the fight was key. It was between two undefeated fighters. The refs MO was to keep it going as long as possible (within reason).

Fury was clearly hurt but was also using the ropes strategically to absorb any punches until he got caught clean again. It was good reffing in my view.

In any case, he was on steady legs by the next round so it was the right decision.
 
Woziak said:
And that’s my point fantastic p4p fighter but he’s had 6 heavyweight fights?
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When you break it down though - those who are considered as ATG in the heavyweight division - how many of there fights are considered really impressive?

Normally in an ATG career, you'd probably have 4-8 fights that are the real making of a fighter. The rest are just building up to that, moving through the levels etc. Usyk has had 3 of them fights at HW - and numerous ones at cruiserweight.

He rose through the cruiserweight rankings as quickly as he could, entered the WBSS and won it convincingly in only his 15th pro fight - compare that to most people's resume and it's very impressive. The whole Gassiev v Usyk fight was billed as a 50/50 fight and Usyk dominated throughout. There was nothing else for him to achieve at cruiserweight so he made the decision to step up.

Many people questioned it in terms of his height/power. He faced criticism even at cruiser for his lack of punch power - hence why people were favouring Gassiev in the lead up to that fight. I think if you look at his career so far, I don't think he could have taken any different steps to be more impressive than he has been.
 
Thrilled Usyk won. Couldn't watch it as I was alcohol deep at a stag-do.

Absolutely loved Usyk ever since seeing him in early cruiserweight days.
Hope people finally put some respect on his name.
 
SambaBoy said:
When you break it down though - those who are considered as ATG in the heavyweight division - how many of there fights are considered really impressive?

Normally in an ATG career, you'd probably have 4-8 fights that are the real making of a fighter. The rest are just building up to that, moving through the levels etc. Usyk has had 3 of them fights at HW - and numerous ones at cruiserweight.

He rose through the cruiserweight rankings as quickly as he could, entered the WBSS and won it convincingly in only his 15th pro fight - compare that to most people's resume and it's very impressive. The whole Gassiev v Usyk fight was billed as a 50/50 fight and Usyk dominated throughout. There was nothing else for him to achieve at cruiserweight so he made the decision to step up.

Many people questioned it in terms of his height/power. He faced criticism even at cruiser for his lack of punch power - hence why people were favouring Gassiev in the lead up to that fight. I think if you look at his career so far, I don't think he could have taken any different steps to be more impressive than he has been.
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For example, the heavyweight GOAT, Ali in his peak fought Fraizer (3 times), Foreman, Liston (twice), Patterson (twice), Spinks (twice), Norton (3 times), Moore. These guys were all champions or previous champions and most of them rank high in all-time lists. Most of them rank higher than Fury, let alone Joshua.

I think that Usyk is the best heavyweight since Lewis though.
 
Revan said:
For example, the heavyweight GOAT, Ali in his peak fought Fraizer (3 times), Foreman, Liston (twice), Patterson (twice), Spinks (twice), Norton (3 times), Moore. These guys were all champions or previous champions and most of them rank high in all-time lists. Most of them rank higher than Fury, let alone Joshua.

I think that Usyk is the best heavyweight since Lewis though.
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Can't really blame Usyk for the nature of the boxing "business" today though. He's one fighter that has entertained all takers and beaten them all convincingly.

I don't think it's in his nature to duck anyone. A lot of boxing is about footwork and when you look at Usyk's, you've got to say, he's up there with some of the best we've seen.

It's pointless comparing fighters from different eras, but my word, the man is quality.
Fury is a giant and a very technical heavyweight, considered the absolute best of the bunch by many and yet I was pretty sure Usyk (who was a cruiserweight not too long ago) would win.
 
T00lsh3d said:
Who’s your money on?
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I'd go for Catterall judging his previous performance against Taylor and Josh looked awful against Lopez a shadow of his former self.

Reckon he should have moved up to the 147 division, looks in shape but physically weak it's showed his last few fights and given his frame could probably even be a junior middleweight.
 
Rooting for Catterall but not sure he is doing enough
 
Ironic if catterall won because this fight was a lot closer than the one he ‘lost’
 
Usyk-Fury rematch 21st December. Thought it might be a bit earlier than that.

I suspect that means AJ will fight the Hrgovic-Dubois winner now at the planned Wembley show in September.
 
DannyCAFC said:
Usyk-Fury rematch 21st December. Thought it might be a bit earlier than that.

I suspect that means AJ will fight the Hrgovic-Dubois winner now at the planned Wembley show in September.
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If Wilder does a job on Zhang then a fight against AJ would be a bigger sell I would imagine.
 
Bondi77 said:
If Wilder does a job on Zhang then a fight against AJ would be a bigger sell I would imagine.
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Probably, but I think he's after belts still.

If the WBC, WBA, WBO all stay with the winner of Fury-Usyk 2, I think the opportunity to grab the IBF and fight the winner for undisputed will be more enticing than a Wilder fight.
 
Tyson vs Paul has been postponed due to illness (ulcer flare up for Tyson).

Should boxing still be entertaining this fight? Between a young, relatively heavy handed, active fighter (regardless of how poor he is) and an almost 60 year old?
 
I reckon Zhang beats Wilder, today. However, as always, Wilder's punching power gives him a decent shot.

Google tells me that the ring walk is at 9pm UK time?
 
DixieDean said:
I reckon Zhang beats Wilder, today. However, as always, Wilder's punching power gives him a decent shot.

Google tells me that the ring walk is at 9pm UK time?
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Really? Sounds a bit early….skybet has it at 11pm

Cant believe they’d have it all wrapped up before 10pm
 
Yeah I think Zhang wins. Hrgovic v Dubois should be an interesting fight too.
 
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