The RedCafe Boxing Thread

RedFish said:
Nice pun, intended or not. Not to grade drug offences, but he's hardly a a muscle man a la Joshua or Canelo. He's a fat bastard who can really fight, and has surprising agility and fast hands. Like I said, I think he'd be a massive worry for any of the current HW's.
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He failed a drugs test for nandralone (a performance enhancing drug) and received a two year ban. No matter what way you slice it, he's a drugs cheat.

His excuse that it occurred because he ate uncastrated boar meat was a pretty inventive one, so I'll give him that.
 
The Tyson Fury of 2 years ago is all wrong for Joshua. It’s just whether or not he’ll be the same fighter when he comes back.
 
No Love said:
The Tyson Fury of 2 years ago is all wrong for Joshua. It’s just whether or not he’ll be the same fighter when he comes back.
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Yeah agree with this. 2 years ago I would have backed Fury to beat AJ in a similar to fashion to his Kilt performance. But 2 years out with all his mental health problems, inactivity and not looking after himself physically; whilst AJ has been fighting for world title belts and improving. Just can't see it now.
 
Prime Fury would stop Joshua I think

He’ll probably be a shadow of his former self but hope I’m wrong. Can’t seeing him being so light on his feet for the full 12 anymore. Even in the Wlad fight, he faded in the 12th.
 
Klitschko on being asked who was better between Joshua and Fury.

"Hands down Joshua," Klitschko told The Sunday Times. "He is getting to be the complete fighter. Technically, size-wise, weight-wise, power-wise. And he is a good learner.

"The other guy [Fury], like a fart in the wind it is there and it is gone. In the history of boxing there are a lot of examples of this kind of guy. They can be successful for a time but are not disciplined enough to continue to be successful
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Kazi said:
Prime Fury would stop Joshua I think

He’ll probably be a shadow of his former self but hope I’m wrong. Can’t seeing him being so light on his feet for the full 12 anymore. Even in the Wlad fight, he faded in the 12th.
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He's 29 (30 in August). Should be in his prime years. Let's wait and see. Seems happy with David Beckham (I mean, Ben Davison), but I think he had a good thing going with his Uncle to be honest.

 
RedFish said:
I read that his net worth is estimated to be 20 million US dollars. Boar Meat and Cocaine are expensive though.
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I’m sure that random celeb websites have little clue to how profligate he has been with his money. It’s very easy to burn through that amount of cash, especially when you have a massive close knit family like him.
 
RedFish said:
I read that his net worth is estimated to be 20 million US dollars. Boar Meat and Cocaine are expensive though.
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I've seen him out and about a few times shopping and eating and whenever I have he's always got a shit load of bags from high end places or he's got a load of food on the table and a massive party with him. Obviously they didn't cost him 20million quid but I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone through a big chunk of it.

ivaldo said:
Klitschko on being asked who was better between Joshua and Fury.


:lol:
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Wlad has always seemed a bit bitter about Fury though and if anything overly praises Joshua (didn't he single him out in his retirement speech??) I'm not saying he's lying he may have a point but I'd take his opinion on both of them with a pinch of salt really.
 
Oggmonster said:
Wlad has always seemed a bit bitter about Fury though and if anything overly praises Joshua (didn't he single him out in his retirement speech??) I'm not saying he's lying he may have a point but I'd take his opinion on both of them with a pinch of salt really.
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I think you’re right, losing to Fury hurt his pride much more than it did when he lost to Joshua. His description of him did make me chuckle though and think it was more directed at his career than his ability as a boxer - and there’s certainly some truth to that.
 
Oggmonster said:
Wlad has always seemed a bit bitter about Fury though and if anything overly praises Joshua (didn't he single him out in his retirement speech??) I'm not saying he's lying he may have a point but I'd take his opinion on both of them with a pinch of salt really.
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I think you’re right, losing to Fury hurt his pride much more than it did when he lost to Joshua. His description of him did make me chuckle though and think it was more directed at his career than his ability as a boxer - and there’s certainly some truth to that.
 
Aren't gypsies actually great with money, contrary to the opinion being stated in here?

Not that I'm an expert on the subject, but from what I've seen, they're shrewd, cunning and a very closed doors wherever possible.

Is Fury into gambling or cars or anything that blows a massive amount of cash as opposed to a few hundred thousand, even if an entourage is part and parcel?

As far as I know, he's a poor man who hasn't really exposed himself to the grander things or lived as the rich do. By poor standards and what they spend money on (trainers, clothes, minor electronic devices, junk food, etc), it would take him a lifetime to get through £20m.

Besides which, he had a career as a pro boxer before that payday, so why is that £20m separate and why would he all of a sudden not know how to manage his finances, or is the assumption fame went to his head and he lost his senses?

Are there any reports his suddenly using private jets and living beyond his means or is this all assumption based on the stuff he comes out with?
 
ivaldo said:
I think you’re right, losing to Fury hurt his pride much more than it did when he lost to Joshua. His description of him did make me chuckle though and think it was more directed at his career than his ability as a boxer - and there’s certainly some truth to that.
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Yeah fair comment. I'm sure he has some truth in there as well as to his opinion, he's probably somewhat disappointed Fury never actually capitalized on such a big win really.

Fortitude said:
Aren't gypsies actually great with money, contrary to the opinion being stated in here?

Not that I'm an expert on the subject, but from what I've seen, they're shrewd, cunning and a very closed doors wherever possible.

Is Fury into gambling or cars or anything that blows a massive amount of cash as opposed to a few hundred thousand, even if an entourage is part and parcel?

As far as I know, he's a poor man who hasn't really exposed himself to the grander things or lived as the rich do. By poor standards and what they spend money on (trainers, clothes, minor electronic devices, junk food, etc), it would take him a lifetime to get through £20m.

Besides which, he had a career as a pro boxer before that payday, so why is that £20m separate and why would he all of a sudden not know how to manage his finances, or is the assumption fame went to his head and he lost his senses?

Are there any reports his suddenly using private jets and living beyond his means or is this all assumption based on the stuff he comes out with?
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I suppose we're going to end up going on the verge of stereotype with the conversation really which is a pretty dangerous game.

Again, I can only speak of knowledge of seeing him our and about a few times (he lives near to where I work.) I've seen him in a Range Rover, a Ferrari, a Rolls Royce and one of them Mercedes jeep things (cars aren't my strong point) so he is in to cars.

He does live somewhat of a lavish lifestyle from what I can see. I doubt he's completely skint and spent all his money but I reckon he's spent quite a bit of it and wouldn't mind a top up really. I don't know though that's just from seeing him in passing, could of won the lottery for all I know.
 
Oggmonster said:
I suppose we're going to end up going on the verge of stereotype with the conversation really which is a pretty dangerous game.

Again, I can only speak of knowledge of seeing him our and about a few times (he lives near to where I work.) I've seen him in a Range Rover, a Ferrari, a Rolls Royce and one of them Mercedes jeep things (cars aren't my strong point) so he is in to cars.

He does live somewhat of a lavish lifestyle from what I can see. I doubt he's completely skint and spent all his money but I reckon he's spent quite a bit of it and wouldn't mind a top up really. I don't know though that's just from seeing him in passing, could of won the lottery for all I know.
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It is a slippery slope, yea, but there's a need for perspective, too. Even a lavish fleet of cars, let's say £3m worth, isn't going to put a serious dent into his finances, if that's the worst it gets with him. He's been a career-earning HW boxer for a long time, granted his paydays haven't been in the same ballpark as that one fight, but even from them, he's not going to be living the average man's lifestyle, not even close, and would have already amassed a few million.

Lavish compared to what though? Because that's the rub, for me; it can look like he's spending far more than he is by taking normal people on above-average shopping sprees and what not.

He lives in England, isn't in London and just doesn't come across stupidly decadent or out of line with what we'd expect of a 'celeb' in this country.

None of it points toward massive squandering as far as it looks from the outside, to me.

Even if he's taking them to lavish places by poor people's standards every week, he's blowing thousands and accumulatively 100's of thousands doing that, not millions.

And still, as far as I've known it, gypsy's are really shrewd with their money and bigger expenditure even if it looks flash and exuberant (weddings, funerals, do's) on the outside.

No doubt anyone could do with a top up or want more of a good thing, but that's not necessarily because they've blown their load... people like money and want more of it, typically.
 
Oggmonster said:
Yeah fair comment. I'm sure he has some truth in there as well as to his opinion, he's probably somewhat disappointed Fury never actually capitalized on such a big win really.
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Would be a pissed that he didn't get the chance of a rematch, too.
 
Fortitude said:
It is a slippery slope, yea, but there's a need for perspective, too. Even a lavish fleet of cars, let's say £3m worth, isn't going to put a serious dent into his finances, if that's the worst it gets with him. He's been a career-earning HW boxer for a long time, granted his paydays haven't been in the same ballpark as that one fight, but even from them, he's not going to be living the average man's lifestyle, not even close, and would have already amassed a few million.

Lavish compared to what though? Because that's the rub, for me; it can look like he's spending far more than he is by taking normal people on above-average shopping sprees and what not.

He lives in England, isn't in London and just doesn't come across stupidly decadent or out of line with what we'd expect of a 'celeb' in this country.

None of it points toward massive squandering as far as it looks from the outside, to me.

Even if he's taking them to lavish places by poor people's standards every week, he's blowing thousands and accumulatively 100's of thousands doing that, not millions.

And still, as far as I've known it, gypsy's are really shrewd with their money and bigger expenditure even if it looks flash and exuberant (weddings, funerals, do's) on the outside.

No doubt anyone could do with a top up or want more of a good thing, but that's not necessarily because they've blown their load... people like money and want more of it, typically.
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Probably not but like I said, I don't know the guy but from seeing him around he doesn't seem shy of spending money. It's all guess work none of us know him. He has had no source of income for the last 2 years and in that time he has seemingly spent some money just judging by his social media.

Lavish in the sense where he has stuff that is expensive. Compared to Cristiano Ronaldo or someone I guess not but again he hasn't actually generated an income in years so it would still be somewhat lavish.

They could be shrewd but he also has a lot of hangers on who seemingly rely on him for money which will cost him.

Again I agree he's probably not skint, sure he has a bit of money in the bank but I'm also sure he is using this as an opportunity for a potential massive pay day with AJ (which will far exceed any net worth he has now I'd guess.)
 
Kazi said:

:lol:
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There's something wrong with him.

Things won't be good for Broner. I heard he's broke, lives very much paycheck to paycheck has about 9 kids with 5-6 different women and obviously has mental illness. I'm not a fan of him but it's sad that I think he will either be homeless, in jail or have killed himself no more than 10 years from now.
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
There's something wrong with him.

Things won't be good for Broner. I heard he's broke, lives very much paycheck to paycheck has about 9 kids with 5-6 different women and obviously has mental illness. I'm not a fan of him but it's sad that I think he will either be homeless, in jail or have killed himself no more than 10 years from now.
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He is very talented though and I’m happy he sent for Ellerbe.

VorZakone said:
Best entrance ever?
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Tyson when he came out to DMX - Intro
 
Inter Yer Nan said:
There's something wrong with him.

Things won't be good for Broner. I heard he's broke, lives very much paycheck to paycheck has about 9 kids with 5-6 different women and obviously has mental illness. I'm not a fan of him but it's sad that I think he will either be homeless, in jail or have killed himself no more than 10 years from now.
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Yep. Nailed it here. All the talent in the world too...
 
ivaldo said:
He won't, he'd pull out the "not motivated" line again (the line he started immediately after the Wlad fight) and go back to telling the world he's a GOAT on social media.
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It seems your issue is telling people he's a GOAT. It's just bravado, all boxers do it.
ivaldo said:
Klitschko on being asked who was better between Joshua and Fury.


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Backs up exactly what I said. He hates Fury but likes Joshua because he paid him a lot of respect coming through.

Anyone with half a brain knew how he'd answer that question. Fury is still obviously the more accomplished boxer and made light work of Wlad. He's hurting over that one.
 
pocco said:
It seems your issue is telling people he's a GOAT. It's just bravado, all boxers do it.


Backs up exactly what I said. He hates Fury but likes Joshua because he paid him a lot of respect coming through.

Anyone with half a brain knew how he'd answer that question. Fury is still obviously the more accomplished boxer and made light work of Wlad. He's hurting over that one.
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Nah, my issue is he's a complete knobhead, who wants the legacy of world class fighter without actually, you know, fighting. I've reiterated this several times now.

That and Fury didn't give an opportunity to avenge his loss, which I believe he had not intention of doing.
 
El General 1994 said:
Yep. Nailed it here. All the talent in the world too...
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I don't think he's all that talented. Some speed and power but nothing special. Very slow feet but then again the weaknesses he has like limited volume, poor defense, no head movement stem from being so dumb and unfocused that he hasn't tried to work on them.

He's a good talent but not a special one IMO.
 
pocco said:
It seems your issue is telling people he's a GOAT. It's just bravado, all boxers do it.


Backs up exactly what I said. He hates Fury but likes Joshua because he paid him a lot of respect coming through.

Anyone with half a brain knew how he'd answer that question. Fury is still obviously the more accomplished boxer and made light work of Wlad. He's hurting over that one.
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Fury is not very good, basically a glorified journeyman on the level of Lamon Brewster and the first decent young fighter would have dropped him, probably Glazkov or Martin as IBF mandatory. Now he will get a British PPV mega-fight with Joshua for a huge amount of money. Maybe could have done without the Michelin Man act in between, but it ultimately works out in his favour financially.
 
ivaldo said:
Nah, my issue is he's a complete knobhead, who wants the legacy of world class fighter without actually, you know, fighting. I've reiterated this several times now.

That and Fury didn't give an opportunity to avenge his loss, which I believe he had not intention of doing.
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Literally nobody wanted to see that fight again.

Besides, Fury is fighting again.
 
JustFootballFan said:
Fury is not very good, basically a glorified journeyman on the level of Lamon Brewster and the first decent young fighter would have dropped him, probably Glazkov or Martin as IBF mandatory. Now he will get a British PPV mega-fight with Joshua for a huge amount of money. Maybe could have done without the Michelin Man act in between, but it ultimately works out in his favour financially.
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Martin is older than Fury and he is the epitome of a journeyman. Fury would wipe the floor with the guy. And he beat Glazkov if my memory is correct.

I'm not saying Fury is a GOAT, but he's better than 98% of current HW boxers because he has size, skill and ring smarts. Anyway, let's see. But a journeyman doesn't beat Klitschko, the guy who nobody could get near for years. Not only that, but he beat him at his own game, had a comfortable night and made Wlad look lost in the ring.
 
pocco said:
Literally nobody wanted to see that fight again.

Besides, Fury is fighting again.
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Yeah that's why it didn't happen, because Fury had the fans in mind. It didn't happen because Fury didn't want it to. He knew he had
pocco said:
Good for him. But that doesn't change what I said, dummy.

Nobody wanted to see the fight after the first.
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What point are you trying to make, anyway? That thats the reason it wasn't rematched?
 
ivaldo said:
Yeah that's why it didn't happen, because Fury had the fans in mind. It didn't happen because Fury didn't want it to. He knew he had

What point are you trying to make, anyway? That thats the reason it wasn't rematched?
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I don't know why it wasn't rematched, but it looks like Fury had issues. It's not as though Fury ran off fighting other people instead of Wlad. The guy had a bit of a breakdown and clearly wasn't in a fit state to fight anyone.

And I hope you weren't about to suggest Fury was ducking Klitschko after beating him quite easily.
 
pocco said:
I don't know why it wasn't rematched, but it looks like Fury had issues. It's not as though Fury ran off fighting other people instead of Wlad. The guy had a bit of a breakdown and clearly wasn't in a fit state to fight anyone.

And I hope you weren't about to suggest Fury was ducking Klitschko after beating him quite easily.
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Brilliant how you're fully accepting of Furys issues, but you don't seem to take any notice of the heavily published family issues of Wlad around the fight. Yes I am suggesting that. It's ridiculously obvious the Wlad who fought Joshua was a different beast to the one who fought Fury. Even you cant pretend that wasn't the case.

You still haven't explained your point.
 
I agree nobody wanted to see that fight again, a boring 12 round jab fest, sorry 'masterclass' from fury.

I definitely wanted to see the rematch though, a focused vlad was a totally different proposition and beats fury quite comfortably imho
 
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