You're talking nonsense. He's the bigger fish because he's the unified champion for one. He attracts more PPV's and so far he's beat everyone that he's come across. At the end of the day, AJ will have mandatories and defenses against the very best in the division, albeit a weak Heavyweight division compared to other eras. If he beats them, you can have no arguments, but the argument you're putting up right now is ridiculous quite frankly.
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You're talking nonsense. He's the bigger fish because he's the unified champion for one. He attracts more PPV's and so far he's beat everyone that he's come across. At the end of the day, AJ will have mandatories and defenses against the very best in the division, albeit a weak Heavyweight division compared to other eras. If he beats them, you can have no arguments, but the argument you're putting up right now is ridiculous quite frankly.
Lsd isn't just a cool name.
His last fight was against an undefeated champion whom was ranked No. 3 in the division from Ring.
His penultimate fight was against a nobody who was extremely durable, and Joshua won every round. Wilder has only one fight against a good boxer, which most people would put around the same level as Parker, while Joshua has defeated Parker and an all-time great in Klitschko.
The Parker fight went exactly the way i said in the thread prior to the fight .He was easily one of the worst heavyweight champions in recent memory
Noone who has paid for that fight and the one before can honestly feel they have been well served .
I understand british people are loyal to this belief AJ is a great fighter and blind to anyone saying otherwise even though deep down they know they are getting ripped off with these fights
The only arguement his fans have is he sells more tickets and ppvs, thats because too many people stupidly pay for them rather than demand he has a real fight .
Hard to get much realer than Parker, who held a belt regardless of your view of him and Klits who clearly came to fight and that fight certainly didn't rip anyone off. Wilder was always going to be the final fight for all the belts but they are working on it.
I don't think Joshua's a great fighter but he's gone about proving himself more than any other Heavyweight currently.
I understand where you are coming from, I don't think AJ is as good as the media and some fans will have you believe.
However, up until the last couple of years, AJ was just coming through the ranks and obviously fighting journeymen, as most boxers do. Now he has one (two if Fury returns) opponents left that anybody actually wants to see him fight. It's a weak division, has been for years. You can't really blame him for fighting what's put in front of him.
Nonsense. Vlad had spent years sleepwalking his way through 12 round jab fests against bums, until fury woke him up by beating him at his own game, to suggest vlads performance was anything less than his best he'd produced for years is disingenuous.
Besides, your argument seems to obsessing over whether or not AJ is a big fish, so tell me who's bigger in the HW? Wilder? AJ has done more in 21 fights than wilder has done in 40+, he holds all the other belts and packs out stadiums. Whether those stadiums are full of morons is irrelevant, if the 2 meet AJ generates the vast majority of the interest and therefore the money
@lsd is having a mare.
He be trippin.
I don't get that logic.
So because Joshua brings more interest to the event, more fans buying at home, more PPV revenue, more bums on seats in the stadium he isn't the "bigger fish?" Course he is. If his fights do better numbers than Wilder than he simply is the bigger name.
Your obsession with telling "idiots" they pay crazy money is weird to. Why are you so bothered about what other people spend their money on? Also the fights aren't crazy money. I got very good seats at Cardiff for 60 quid hardly declared for bankruptcy the next morning.
I have said I think Hearn is undercutting Wilder and Hearn probably doesn't want the fight yet but Joshua is without a doubt the A Side, you even justified why he is yourself.
Out of interest what viable fights can he take that you'd be impressed with? Something that isn't a non fight? He fought the best heavyweight of the last 10 or so years and KOed him, he fought another world champion and won pretty convincingly. Who is there you'd be impressed with? It's a weak division and at the moment there isn't any viable options (don't say Fury he was inactive during the whole time Joshua was fighting these people.)
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Ah nope i have said AJ has a lot of gullible fans so having them gang up on me for saying he is not that good is hardly a shock
Its this weird belief because he sells more tickets he must be better
You called the Wlad fight boring and you wonder why people have jumped on you?
Nah it’s this weird belief that he has sold 5 times as many tickets, holds all but one belt, and has fought more credible opponents than Wilder in significantly less fights.
How you have wrangled out your conclusion that Wilder is currently on the same standing is bizzare. There’s not a single metric that supports your ramblings. You don’t rate Joshua, we get it.
Look it's pointless too many peope have convinced themselves that AJ is the second coming of Ali rather than an updated Bruno .
I said before the parker that parker was one of the worst champions in recent times, Takam was even worse and Vlad was inactive and finished as a top fighter
Keep on believing different fine with me , keep believing he really wants the wilder fight
Hey just keep on believing
Like who? Nobody in this thread that's for sure.
No they haven't, most people think he's the best of a mediocre division. Feel free to send some quotes our way, it's time you actually provided some substance to this claim. Seriously, find some bloody quotes.
You're still to tell us who he should have fought, or who has a better pedigree in the HW division for that matter.
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He was. Parker is, and I'm being polite here, a second rate boxer. AJ should have KO'd him within 6.
On the other hand, Joshua is evolving as a fighter, despite his last two bouts being unimpressive and largely boring. He's not the "KO him from the start" fighter he was (Whyte fight and more), he's developing tactically from my perspective. Winning on points is a valuable tool in certain situations. There will be fighters better than Parker who Joshua will need to tactically avoid and look for a points victory. I think Parker was a dress rehearsal, but we're seeing a new AJ in recent fights.
He was never similar to Ali by the way. Closer to Tyson/Lewis, or a mix of the two without being as great as either. Power, stature, and technique, but none of the exuberance or fleet-footedness Ali was renowned for. For a start, AJ is boring. Tyson Fury is a better comparison to Ali. Fights smart, quick on his feet, plays his opponent and more about strategy than power. Clearly Tyson isn't anywhere near the level of Ali, but more akin to him than Joshua.
@lsd Anthony Joshua is FAR from the finished article, and I don’t think he’ll ever be remembered in the same breath as some of the all time heavyweights. He’s benefitting from being slightly better than the closest competition in a division still lacking in true talent. By no means boxing superstar in pure talent terms, but undeniably the best heavyweight boxer in the world. Wilder has a chance against him, but AJ has the better resume.
Plus, he’s an extremely likeable guy.
Plus, he’s an extremely likeable guy.
I have to completely agree with everything you said in the first paragraph. The second however, I would disagree with.
Recently Joshua has started to show his true colours, the nice guy, polished and PR friendly attitude that he had been manufactured into projecting is starting to wear down and the arrogance of his true self is pouring through. This is not only the opinion of myself but a lot of people I’m close with follow his career and we all started taking this same opinion in his last 3 fights and I’ve completely gone off him. The cherry on the cake was his speech after winning the Parker fight. Simply watching IFL tv over past few years has been interesting to see this develop and his superiority complex is becoming more apparent, he is an egotistical walking cliche and seems a bit lost with the considered & inteligent perception he is trying to create vs the reality of his actual self.
I have a feeling the general public will continue to lap him up as they aren’t aware enough to observe these behaviours but amongst the hardcore fans there is definitely an undercurrent of distaste for Joshua now.
I’m basing it on what I’ve heard partly but mostly feedback from a friend who got to spend a lot of time with him one on one. They were helping direct a commercial that he starred in and off camera they said he’s one of the nicest sportspeople they’ve ever met, and this person has also worked on a commercial work David Beckham so they know what mega star personalities can be like when there are no lights and cameras around.
Until proven otherwise, I’m choosing to put the slight change in his post fight interviewing comments down to the promoters. They want America to hear him but they are forgetting that there are other ways to promote someone to the top than by being a dickhead on the microphone.
You've also said Wladimir was off for 3 years and was 20% of what he was previously. The latter is opinion and a poor one the former is blatantly wrong.
The tangible evidence is that Joshua is the A side because he's the money man and of those three fights you blasted two were unifications against fighters ranked in the top 3.
Yeah. Joshua is evolving his skills.
Remember Lewis went life and death with Ray Mercer and looked like an utter pile of wank against Zeljko Mavrovic and then 2 fights later he's the undisputed champion after dethroning a legend.
No one said he sells more tickets so he’s better you’ve made that up to justify your point. You did say he isn’t the bigger fish cos “idiot” fans go and see him. That does make him a bigger fish in negotiation points, he brings in far more interest than Wilder. Whether he is the best thing ever or not (I don’t think anyone said he is to be honest most of us have said he’s one of the best in a poor division)
If you don’t like the guy that’s fair enough, no need to call people idiots etc for enjoying his fights though.
To be fair I don’t personally know him I just find this pseudo media persona quite muddled and in turn creates a bizare personality. He contradicts himself so much that the intelligence he tries to project seems forced.
I much prefer Tyson fury real approach, he is outspoken and can offend people but at least he is himself and stands by his own opinions rather than says things to win people over.
It’s going to be epic when they both meet.
I'm not hating on British fighters by the way I think Lewis was one of the best heavyweights in my time and I was always a big fan .
Bruno obviously not in that class but how can you not like the guy ?
AJ to me is to musclebound too stiff and just Comes off as manufactured and built up by the media to ever take serious
Add that weasel Hearn and I have to root against him well if he ever has a proper fight that is .
Bruno obviously not in that class but how can you not like the guy ?
AJ to me is to musclebound too stiff and just Comes off as manufactured and built up by the media to ever take serious
Add that weasel Hearn and I have to root against him well if he ever has a proper fight that is .
The absolute state of that post. 
You're compiling quite the portfolio of absolute nonsense.
You're compiling quite the portfolio of absolute nonsense.
Usyk injured! WBSS final postponed.
So yeah, looks like Fury will be right back in the mix again soon providing there are no surprises. Right at a time when AJ is at the top of the game. If Tyson does what he should then he'll be in line to fight AJ within the next year or two. He'll probably beat Wilder first and ruin AJs big showdown.
So much for running away.
Yeah alright mate.
He’s having to return to the ring (if he does get that far) because he’s becoming irrelevant. He’s rambled on for 2 years now without backing up any of his claims and he’s being forgotten. He’ll fight as little as possible. You think if he miraculously gets to the Joshua fight and wins, he’ll continue to defend his belt?
Yeah alright mate.
He’s having to return to the ring (if he does get that far) because he’s becoming irrelevant. He’s rambled on for 2 years now without backing up any of his claims and he’s being forgotten. He’ll fight as little as possible. You think if he miraculously gets to the Joshua fight and wins, he’ll continue to defend his belt?
he's not returning to the ring as he irrelevant, he's returning as he's sorted out his personal issues, of which he had many.
More like he has spent all his money and sees a showdown with AJ as a nice way to cash out.
He's very possibly going to be the unified undisputed heavyweight champion within 22/23 fights. That's enough to take him seriously surely?
Nah he's a small fish in the HW division, apparently.
He's never been irrelevant. Some people just recognise that he had issues to overcome.
I'm not going to sit here and say yeah he needs to keep fighting if he beats AJ. He'll have achieved a lot, earned a lot and should still have his health intact. I could never blame a boxer for calling it a day even if the fans want more.
Yeah, I heard 4 fights before entertaining a title showdown with whoever's got the belts at that time. AJ is improving all the time, and will be a different tactical proposition in 12-24 months. Let's see how he goes, but I'm already salivating at the thought of Fury fighting AJ or Wilder to become undisputed....I think he's going to be a huge problem for any current HW.
He won't, he'd pull out the "not motivated" line again (the line he started immediately after the Wlad fight) and go back to telling the world he's a GOAT on social media.
Foremost being a drugs cheat.
and profound depression, you know, in the interests of balance and all that.
Yes, his 'mental issues' seemingly lasted just long enough for his failed test to blow over.
Nice pun, intended or not. Not to grade drug offences, but he's hardly a a muscle man a la Joshua or Canelo. He's a fat bastard who can really fight, and has surprising agility and fast hands. Like I said, I think he'd be a massive worry for any of the current HW's.