The RedCafe Boxing Thread

pocco said:
How do people see Bivol and Beterbiev against Kovalev? It was the first time I've seen Beterbiev fight and I actually wasn't that impressed if I'm honest. I didn't see the power his record would suggest.

These 20 KOs, are they from wearing an opponent down or has he shown one punch KO power?
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To be fair I think the knee operation will have taken something out of him as he's a front foot fighter and speaking from experience of having several knee ops over the years it seriously effects your movement.

As for both of these fighters against a prime Kovalev, I think the fights could go either way if I'm honest. Kovalev was dropped a few times times but was a powerful puncher so I think he could finish both fighters if he caught them. I'd give Bivol the better chance though, as I think he's technically better, I could imagine Beterbiev walking on to shot with his front foot style.
 
Good fight, happy it lived up to the billing. Had it 115-113 Bivol with him winning 1-3 and 7-10 but it was close, hopefully we get the rematch and a more conclusive winner. Felt he landed a lot of the cleaner work but often wasn't busy enough when he had managed to hold the centre of the ring, and ended up on the back foot too much being outworked in the closing stages of rounds which is always going to sway judges.
 
Well, Tszyu was exposed bad last night. His big American break is not coming. Need to take some time off and rebuild.
 
Plastic Evra said:
Well, Tszyu was exposed bad last night. His big American break is not coming. Need to take some time off and rebuild.
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Yeah, absolutely zero head movement (or defence of any kind really).

Thought that was a terrible stoppage as well, ref should have called it after the first knockdown in the 3rd. To let him get up, ship a huge right hand and then STILL force the corner to throw in the towel for the fight to end was abhorrent.

Murtazaliev surely on Uncle Turki's radar now after that and likely to be in the mix for Crawford/Ortiz next...
 
DannyCAFC said:
Yeah, absolutely zero head movement (or defence of any kind really).

Thought that was a terrible stoppage as well, ref should have called it after the first knockdown in the 3rd. To let him get up, ship a huge right hand and then STILL force the corner to throw in the towel for the fight to end was abhorrent.

Murtazaliev surely on Uncle Turki's radar now after that and likely to be in the mix for Crawford/Ortiz next...
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Tszyu is a tough guy but the ref was way out letting that hiding continue into the 3rd.
Needs to rebuild with some domestic wins then if he can take the defensive side more seriously may be able to get back to title picture.
 
Just caught up with the Manchester show from last night; Catterall has some skill but my god he’s a hard watch.
 
Plastic Evra said:
IBF orders eliminator between Bakolé and Kabayel... That's a hype fight.
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Eh?
Perfectly legit as an eliminator. Both coming off good wins.
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Gentleman Jim said:
Eh?
Perfectly legit as an eliminator. Both coming off good wins.
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Hype fight in the sense I like it !
The winner of this would perhaps get the IBF champion next (Dubois presumably) and that's also a nice bout to make.

I hear fans groan a lot at the IBF calling mandatories and stripping belts somewhat quick (I was told it's because since they were investigated for corruption they are more zealous to stick to their actual written rules). While it is a little silly Usyk and Beterbiev are threatened to be taken their IBF belts just after achieving undisputed status (Beterbiev has been granted an exception for a potential rematch though), it does keep things moving in a way the sports needs more of.
 
Plastic Evra said:
Hype fight in the sense I like it !
The winner of this would perhaps get the IBF champion next (Dubois presumably) and that's also a nice bout to make.

I hear fans groan a lot at the IBF calling mandatories and stripping belts somewhat quick (I was told it's because since they were investigated for corruption they are more zealous to stick to their actual written rules). While it is a little silly Usyk and Beterbiev are threatened to be taken their IBF belts just after achieving undisputed status (Beterbiev has been granted an exception for a potential rematch though), it does keep things moving in a way the sports needs more of.
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Ah OK.
Your use of "hype fight" made me think you were sh1tting on it.
All good.
 
Plastic Evra said:
Hype fight in the sense I like it !
The winner of this would perhaps get the IBF champion next (Dubois presumably) and that's also a nice bout to make.

I hear fans groan a lot at the IBF calling mandatories and stripping belts somewhat quick (I was told it's because since they were investigated for corruption they are more zealous to stick to their actual written rules). While it is a little silly Usyk and Beterbiev are threatened to be taken their IBF belts just after achieving undisputed status (Beterbiev has been granted an exception for a potential rematch though), it does keep things moving in a way the sports needs more of.
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I get what you mean, in the sense it gives these guys an opportunity to fight for a trinket and therefore incentivizes them to accept a risky fight that's good for the sport rather than wait in a queue for the undisputed champ... but it does just completely devalue the belt doesn't it? Like, nobody in there right mind considers Daniel Dubois or William Scull to be a 'world champion'.
 
DannyCAFC said:
I get what you mean, in the sense it gives these guys an opportunity to fight for a trinket and therefore incentivizes them to accept a risky fight that's good for the sport rather than wait in a queue for the undisputed champ... but it does just completely devalue the belt doesn't it? Like, nobody in there right mind considers Daniel Dubois or William Scull to be a 'world champion'.
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There are much worse "champions" out there than Dubois.
That's the problem with the 4 Belt era and fragmentation of the traditional weight classes, interim champs, champs in recess etc. the true talent is spread too thinly.
 
DannyCAFC said:
I get what you mean, in the sense it gives these guys an opportunity to fight for a trinket and therefore incentivizes them to accept a risky fight that's good for the sport rather than wait in a queue for the undisputed champ... but it does just completely devalue the belt doesn't it? Like, nobody in there right mind considers Daniel Dubois or William Scull to be a 'world champion'.
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That and moreso it avoids the stagnation of classes like 168 with Canelo. Undisputed is maybe a bit of an overrated notion presently : A run to undisputed is exciting, once the status is achieved you have champions sitting and belts and the mandatory turn around for each org crawling to a alt... Or guys getting "undisputed" status in a single fight (like Taylor, no slight to him).

Usyk and Beterbiev achieving it this year was great because it culminated in fights against peers and I don't think they're really devalued losing the IBF belt on paper.

Dubois is legit. Scull is pretty uninspiring but at least it keeps one belt in play for a challenger instead of waiting for Canelo to retire because it's pretty clear that at this point he won't take a dangerous fight at 168 and will put on hold his mandatory if he wants to.

In my opinion the belts and rankings only have value if they foster good fights, and I think not stalling divisions is a net good for that.
 
Absolutely fantastic fight between Vaughan and Essuman tonight. Could have fought it in a phone box. Great stuff!
 
Haven't caught it yet but sounds as though Masoud boxed brilliantly (and scores should have been wider), Davies fallen in love with his power too much of late maybe?
 
DannyCAFC said:
Haven't caught it yet but sounds as though Masoud boxed brilliantly (and scores should have been wider), Davies fallen in love with his power too much of late maybe?
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I don’t think Masoud did anything amazing but he clearly won the fight. I’m amazed anyone could have scored it for Davies - that judge must have seen Masoud boxing off the back foot as ultra negative.

Davies did nothing to set his punches up and just marched forward face first - he was awful.
 
This whole Paul vs Tyson thing is strange. For a bloke that cares so much about 'clout' how is banging up a 58 year old man anything to be proud of? If he lays it in on Tyson then it will just look sad.
 
I’d be shocked if there was a stoppage; in fact, I think it’s likely scripted, if not entirely, some sort of agreement about no stoppage/ko.

People always get carried away with a 10 second pad clip of Tyson - he’ll be blowing out his arse after a couple of minutes.

It’s a complete grift so they both get paid - nothing more.
 
G-manc said:
I’d be shocked if there was a stoppage; in fact, I think it’s likely scripted, if not entirely, some sort of agreement about no stoppage/ko.

People always get carried away with a 10 second pad clip of Tyson - he’ll be blowing out his arse after a couple of minutes.

It’s a complete grift so they both get paid - nothing more.
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Remember when Mayweather did this kind of thing with Conor McGregor? Mayweather had to hold him up that last few rounds to get it to points.
 
G-manc said:
I’d be shocked if there was a stoppage; in fact, I think it’s likely scripted, if not entirely, some sort of agreement about no stoppage/ko.

People always get carried away with a 10 second pad clip of Tyson - he’ll be blowing out his arse after a couple of minutes.

It’s a complete grift so they both get paid - nothing more.
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I hope Mike goes off script and does a real number on that gob shite!
 
The Taylor-Serrano rematch is the main fight at the event really. That will be worth watching.
 
It's indicative of where boxing is right now and a shame to see. Might as well wheel George Foreman out for the next one.

Tyson looks like he's already bored of the whole thing. He's got his eyes on the pay check and little else. I don't think he hates, dislikes or even cares about Paul.
 
How good is that Paul fella anyways? Is he a legit boxer who could go toe to toe with some of the best in his weight class, or is he simply a kid who's very good at boxing for being an influencer?
 
Scandi Red said:
How good is that Paul fella anyways? Is he a legit boxer who could go toe to toe with some of the best in his weight class, or is he simply a kid who's very good at boxing for being an influencer?
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He'd be lucky to last a round against any half decent active pro heavyweight. Fighting Tyson in his prime would be outright dangerous.
 
Tyson looks sober. If he's really going for it that youtuber will be lucky to finish without permanent damage. Mike can probably only do it for 60-90 seconds but that can be enough to end a man.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
it is a mockery , we all know that Paul has no right to be in the same ring has Tyson, not even fit to lace his boots, but there is no way Paul wont win this, is it fixed , YES!
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Totally agree. Mike will be taking a few million from this to lose.
Then the rematch when he'll win will give a few more million
 
The draw at 10-1 is very tempting, seeing as the whole thing is fixed.
 
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