There is not a chance Joshua could keep Wilder at bay for twelve rounds by jabbing him
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There is not a chance Joshua could keep Wilder at bay for twelve rounds by jabbing him
Because Wilder is such a skilled technician. 
Joshua really disappointed and so did Parker
What a complete and utter garbage boxing match
They were not helped by the ref I will admit but none of them looked like they wanted to throw any punches
Thankfully I didn't pay to watch the fight because if I did I would have felt hard done by
What a complete and utter garbage boxing match
They were not helped by the ref I will admit but none of them looked like they wanted to throw any punches
Thankfully I didn't pay to watch the fight because if I did I would have felt hard done by
It's kind of funny that Wilder is an inch taller but will still be giving up two stone in weight. And of course, fundamentally, Joshua is a much better boxer. Easy night for him, in my opinion. Wilder has a puncher's chance but that's about it.
After seeing Joshua the other night I would give Wilder more than a puncher's chance
Joshua was very flat and pragmatic something I did not expect to see from him
Definitely other fighter's have to be licking their lips after seeing that fight
The only reason other boxers would be licking their lips to fight Joshua would be because of the payday. The only other HW that has a good chance of beating Joshua based off of that display is Fury. No one else has the skills. Wilder’s chin is a lot more open than Joshua’s - Joshua would be the first to connect in that fight.
I guess you could make an argument for Haye but his body has broken down.
You've seen Wilder fight, right? All he has is a big punch. His technique is a crime to boxing.
Doesn't matter a jot vs someone with zero head movement.
Do you think Wilder will not land on Joshua? You seem to seriously rate Joshua - do you believe he's in a class of his own in the division?
Because Wilder is such a skilled technician.
He doesn't have to be so what's your point ?
And Wilders defense is world class? You seem to be forgetting that Joshua has heavy hands too, while Wilder had a glass jaw and the balance of a toddler. When Joshua catches Wilder clean then Wilder will go down, and seeing as Joshua is technically better in every facet, it's extremely likely he'll land first.
I dont rate Joshua extremely highly but hes comfortably the best in the division. The only boxer who comes close to him is Fury, and he hasn't fought in 3 years.
They're both poor on the grand scale of HW boxing; there's never been a question who the better boxer is because Wilder is horrendous, but that's never in dispute is it?
I think everyone expects one of them to go to sleep because both of them are extremely hittable, but anyway it's this thing where Joshua is gauged on something he's yet to show he can actually do, which is evade... Wilder is whatever you want to call him but he's not going to be fighting someone who has ever put on a clinic, is he?
Then why are you disputing what I’ve said then?
I’m not gauging him on his ability to evade. Again, is this something Wilder does? Wilder has been wobbled plenty of times so far. Hell, a 39yo Ortiz would’ve finished him if he wasn’t saved by the bell.
No he isn’t, but he’s still fighting someone who is comfortably better than he is. Which is the point.
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AJ will box behind his jab and win a UD #Boxer-PuncherAJ
#Boxer-PuncherAJBecause you're making out like it's a total no-contest, which shows the esteem you hold someone who can't move his head to save himself.
It doesn't matter what Wilder does or doesn't do so long as he lands, he's clearly an outlier in the sport, not just his division. I said he fights like a Super Punch Out character earlier in the thread.... still doesn't negate what he brings to the table in relation to someone who is always there to be hit.
The last sentence is what I don't get - one is terrible boxer with dynamite for hands, the other doesn't move or evade at all and has a questionable tank - from that, what gives you the impression AJ is comfortably better? I'm assuming you believe it'll be light work and AJ will get him out of there when he wants to?
You know, I seriously hope he does that and wins in the most measured and mundane way imaginable. I don't think he has it in him against someone who's every swing can end the fight. Would be huge if AJ just went out there and actually put on a clinic behind the jab.AJ will box behind his jab and win a UD
Therein lies the misdiagnosis imo. Wilder's style is viewed as lacking in fundamentals and therefore he is vulnerable against a fighter who fights as we think a great fighter should. I think we have to look at Wilder and throw out all the conventional wisdom about technique and simply ask ourselves whether we think he can land a solid punch on whichever opponent he is fighting, as that will tell us whether or not the opponent can escape getting knocked out.
It's entirely possible. Wilder may pretend that he's thick, but no one is that thick that he doesn't realise that AJ can knock you out. Hence, if AJ can shoot his jab and control distance, occasionally reminding Wilder of that big shot, then we could see a Fury-Klitschko 2, or a clinic as you call it.
He's not Lennox Lewis.... probably doesn't need to be, but it takes serious skill, concentration and stamina to do that for 12 rounds. That's why I would be massively impressed if all this talk was moot and he went out there and boxed like I don't think he can
No, it's shows the complete disregard I have for someone with the technique of Wilder.
Well of course it matters. He's got no chin, no defense and no boxing abilty to keep an accurate puncher at bay. Joshua isn't great defensively, but he's very good offensively. One properly landed punch and it's lights out for Wilder.
What dont you get?
Wilders has dynamite hands, so does Joshua. Joshuas defense is poor, so is Wilders. Joshua has a better shot armoury, a better jab, a slightly better chin, better accuracy, better balance, better footwork, better fight management, a better temperament. How is it even close?
At the end of the day proper technique doesn't matter when evaluating Wilder. If he lands, you are finished.
And there lies the intrigue. Who will land first? I'm betting on Joshua.
That's obviously open to debate and could well just be a matter of luck and/or opportunistic timing. But the broader point is that Joshua doesn't have some sort of advantage because he has "proper technique". Its a fallacy that is usurped by the practical reality of whoever happens to get a clean shot in first. If Wilder makes contact like Klitschko did in round 5 v AJ, then he will finish things off on the spot. If AJ makes solid contact then he will obviously be in the advantage, although I don't see him as being more powerful than Ortiz was.
You can have all the power in the world. It doesn't matter if you don't land. Wilder can't throw a punch without leaving himself wide open. Someone with the reach, speed and power of Joshua isn't going to let Wilder off the hook like Ortiz did.
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Oh, I think he does, you don't become Olympic Champion for nothing. He has pedigree. I'm not sure how much it will count, mind, because Wilder is like someone said before, is an outlier. He defies boxing logic. That's what make this fight exciting, as for me it becomes a question of whether, AJ can utilize his better technique work to punish/KO Wilder, or can Wilder upset the odds, and land a KO before any of that happens.
The bit about throwing a punch and leaving oneself open is obviously a concern for any boxer - however the dynamic is somewhat different when the opponent also has to account for the fact that if you land, you will probably knock him out, so the opponent's ability to sneak a hook in while being attacked with a wild punch is somewhat undercut with the reality that he has to first defend himself from getting KO'd. That's the difference in fighting Wilder than the likes of Klitschko and Parker imo.
He does more than just leave himself open to a counter. He's absolutely wild and spends most of the fight off balance. He swings, he misses and there's a bloody great target waiting to be decked with no way of defending himself. He might be OK if he could take a punch, but he can't.
Then why didn't Ortiz, who knocked out 24 of his 27 opponents, knock him out ? We did after all listen to similar criticisms of Wilder before that fight as well, where more than a few pundits expected Ortiz to win because he was a more well rounded and disciplined fighter who had genuine KO power.
But he almost did. Wilder was saved by the bell. Let's not forget Ortiz is 39. If he wasn't an old man in boxing terms he would have finished Wilder.
That was an obvious tactic from Wilder. He made the predictable calculation that Ortiz would gas himself out, which would allow him to KO him in the later rounds. Its a commonly used tactics in MMA and Boxing (and Mourinho coached sides).
It was clearly his tactic, but it did nearly cost him. The point is, and I think you've made this point yourself before, is that he wouldn't use that same tactic v Joshua so it's a moot point anyway.
Agreed. That obviously wouldn't work on AJ since he is in the prime of his career and in good shape. I don't think either of them would gas if the fight went the distance. Each fighter would come in with a specific tactical plan designed to exploit the perceived weakness of the other, which means we would likely see a new approach from both of them that we haven't previously seen before.
And yet if Ortiz had caught him 10 seconds earlier in the round we wouldn’t be talking about a Wilder/Joshua.
Alarming don’t you think, that someone with the Herculean punching ability of Wilder had to resort to relying on exhaustion to beat an over the hill boxer who was never top class, and even then came within moments of losing. Joshua is technically better, faster, just as powerful and has a significantly longer reach.
That's a bit of an exaggeration. Ortiz definitely had his best round when he started hitting Wilder against the ropes but Wilder was never in danger of getting KO'd.
You’re kidding? Have a look at his legs, his body position. He’s very fortunate Ortiz was out of steam. Another 10 seconds and he would have been down.
I don't see that at all. Wilder even shook his head to let him know this. He knew Ortiz had a limited gas tank and allowed him to gradually gas over the first 9 rounds while softening up his head here and there throughout to where when he did land, Ortiz had difficulty taking it.