Gaming The Europa Universalis 4 Experiment II (sign ups for Experiment III open)

1821 - FINAL UPDATE
1821 - FINAL UPDATE



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FINAL RANKINGS:


Development (value of provinces):

  1. altodevil: 8427 (unchanged)
  2. Great Shakesy: 4366 (unchanged)
  3. Salt Bailly: 4043 (+1)
  4. PSV: 3966 (-1)
  5. nimic-Simbo: 3786 (unchanged)
  6. Dan: 1659 (not including Lithuania's 1447) (unchanged)
  7. RedSky: 1243 (+1)
  8. maniak: 994 (not including hobbers' 538) (-1)
  9. hobbers: 538 (+1)
  10. Organic Potatoes: 245 (+1)
  11. Crackers: 202 (-2)
  12. The Cat: 159 (unchanged)
  13. Dr. Dwayne: 15 (new entry)

Land army size:

  1. altodevil: 1,438,000 (unchanged)
  2. PSV: 1,103,000 (unchanged)
  3. Great Shakesy: 856,000 (unchanged)
  4. Salt Bailly: 875,000 (+1)
  5. nimic-Simbo: 811,000 (-1)
  6. Dan: 445,000 (not including Lithuania's 393,000) (unchanged)
  7. RedSky: 208,000 (+1)
  8. maniak: 157,000 (not including hobbers' 8,000) (-1)
  9. The Cat: 49,000 (+2)
  10. Organic Potatoes: 45,000 (+2)
  11. Crackers: 26,000 (-2)
  12. Dr. Dwayne: 9,000 (new entry)
  13. hobbers: 8,000 (-3)

Navy size:

  1. Great Shakesey: 1381 (unchanged)
  2. altodevil: 912 (unchanged)
  3. Salt Bailly: 482 (+2)
  4. nimic-Simbo: 357(unchanged)
  5. PSV: 251 (-2)
  6. maniak: 123 (not including hobbers 49) (unchanged)
  7. Dan: 123 (not including Lithuania's 23) (unchanged)
  8. Organic Potatoes: 80 (+1)
  9. RedSky: 79 (-1)
  10. hobbers: 49 (unchanged)
  11. Crackers: 3 (unchanged)
  12. Dr. Dwayne: 0 (new entry)
  13. The Cat: 0 (unchanged)

Total income:

  1. altodevil: 2231 (unchanged)
  2. Great Shakesey: 1890 (unchanged)
  3. Salt Bailly: 1289 (+2)
  4. PSV: 969 (unchanged)
  5. nimic-Simbo: 962 (-2)
  6. Dan: 517 (not including Lithuania's 480) (unchanged)
  7. RedSky: 439 (+1)
  8. maniak: 227 (not including hobbers' 84) (-1)
  9. Organic Potatoes: 220 (+1)
  10. hobbers: 84 (+1)
  11. Crackers: 42 (-2)
  12. The Cat: 41 (unchanged)
  13. Dr. Dwayne: 10 (new entry)

Mana generated (i.e, how lucky you've been with your monarch spawn stats or events and how much you've spent improving your country):

  1. altodevil: 148,696 (unchanged)
  2. Great Shakesey: 138,355 (unchanged)
  3. PSV: 135,408 (unchanged)
  4. nimic-Simbo: 129,552 (unchanged)
  5. Salt Bailly: 126,204 (unchanged)
  6. Dan: 121,868 (unchanged)
  7. Organic Potatoes: 119,480 (unchanged)
  8. maniak: 118,607 (+1)
  9. RedSky: 118,162 (-1)
  10. hobbers: 115,909 (unchanged)
  11. Crackers: 112,108 (unchanged)
  12. Dr. Dwayne: 106,343 (unchanged)
  13. The Cat: 99,556 (unchanged)

Ideas chosen (provide important buffs, generated by mana):

56: Redky, Organic Potatoes, Crackers, altodevil, hobbers, PSV, nimic-Simbo, Great Shakesy, The Cat, Salt Bailly, maniak
54: Dr. Dwayne


Army casualties (in combat + attrition:)

  1. altodevil: 21,000,612 (unchanged)
  2. PSV: 7,602,761 (unchanged)
  3. nimic-Simbo: 5,162,128 (unchanged)
  4. Great Shakesey: 4,808,045 (unchanged)
  5. Salt Bailly: 3,550,394 (unchanged)
  6. maniak: 3,320,745 (unchanged)
  7. RedSky: 2,642,209 (unchanged)
  8. Dan: 2,488,544 (unchanged)
  9. Crackers: 2,375,667 (unchanged)
  10. Dr. Dwayne: 1,942,730 (new entry)
  11. hobbers 1,808,339 (-1)
  12. Organic Potatoes: 999,210 (-1)
  13. The Cat: 372,467 (-1)

Navy casualties:

  1. PSV: 1767 (jesus fecking christ what happened to you since the last update??) (+1)
  2. Great Shakesy: 798 (+1)
  3. nimic-Simbo: 522 (-1)
  4. altodevil: 418 (+1)
  5. Salt Bailly: 358 (-1)
  6. maniak: 280 (unchanged)
  7. Dan: 180 (unchanged)
  8. RedSky: 162 (new entry)
  9. Oganic Potatoes: 137 (-1)
  10. Dr. Dwayne: 101 (new entry)
  11. Crackers: 81 (-1)
  12. hobbers: 59 (unchanged)
  13. The Cat: 52 (-2)


And here's some other stats I hadn't been compiling before:



Most developed player provinces in world:

  1. Asturias: 67 (nimic-Simbo)
  2. Milano: 67 (RedSky)
  3. Leon: 62 (nimic-Simbo)
  4. Auvergne: 62 (PSV)
  5. Cambresis: 61 (PSV)
  6. Krakow: 61 (Dan)
  7. Lublin: 61 (Dan)
  8. Ayshire: 61 (Great Shakesy)
  9. London: 61 (Great Shakesy)
  10. Constantinople: 60 (altodevil)

Each players most developed province:

  1. Asturias: 67 (nimic-Simbo)
  2. Milano: 67 (RedSky)
  3. Auvergne: 62 (PSV)
  4. Krakow: 61 (Dan)
  5. Ayshire: 61 (Great Shakesy)
  6. Constantinople: 60 (altodevil)
  7. Trentino: 60 (Organic Potatoes)
  8. Pate: 53 (Salt Bailly)
  9. Vratislav: 48 (hobbers)
  10. Lienz: 47 (Crackers)
  11. Sjaelland: 44 (maniak)
  12. Hodna: 33 (The Cat)
  13. Velsk: 15 (Dr. Dwayne)

Averaged ruler stats from 1444-1821(randomly generated, 18= maximum):

  1. altodevil: 11.95
  2. Organic Potatoes: 11.27
  3. Great Shakesy: 10.9
  4. Dr. Dwayne: 10.35
  5. PSV: 10.26
  6. RedSky: 9.55
  7. Salt Bailly: 9.47
  8. nimic-Simbo: 9.38
  9. maniak: 9.25
  10. Dan: 9.19
  11. hobbers: 9.11
  12. The Cat: 9.02
  13. Crackers: 8.82

Average development per province:

  1. Organic Potatoes: 49
  2. RedSky: 44.39
  3. Crackers: 33.67
  4. The Cat: 31.80
  5. PSV: 31.67
  6. hobbers: 31.65
  7. Dan: 22.73
  8. nimic-Simbo: 19.87
  9. Great Shakesy: 17.47
  10. maniak: 17
  11. Dr. Dwayne: 15
  12. Salt Bailly: 13.44
  13. altodevil: 12.92

Total gold spent:

  1. altodevil: 3,282,506
  2. Great Shakesy: 2,173,616
  3. nimic-Simbo: 1,656,349
  4. Salt Bailly: 1,526,841
  5. PSV: 1,454,446
  6. Dan: 953,745
  7. maniak: 726,403
  8. Organic Potatoes: 634,548
  9. RedSky: 500,187
  10. Crackers: 470,451
  11. Dr. Dwayne: 321,98
  12. hobbers: 317,568
  13. The Cat: 113,051


Total gifted (generously gifted money to other countries):

  1. altodevil: 77,867
  2. Organic Potatoes: 34,490
  3. Great Shakesy: 17,596
  4. Dan: 13.685
  5. Salt Bailly: 13,608
  6. Crackers: 9,209
  7. PSV: 8,279
  8. RedSky: 7,381
  9. nimic-Simbo: 7,329
  10. maniak: 6,570
  11. Dr. Dwayne: 4,028
  12. hobbers: 3,667
  13. The Cat: 295

Total loan repayments:

  1. PSV: 51,957
  2. nimic-Simbo: 46,746
  3. Dan: 36,025
  4. Great Shakesy: 35,487
  5. altodevil: 32,057
  6. maniak: 31,996
  7. Dr. Dwayne: 25,889
  8. Crackers: 25,580
  9. hobbers: 19,510
  10. Salt Bailly: 15,767
  11. RedSky: 7,334
  12. The Cat: 1,848
  13. Organic Potatoes: 840

Gold paid in peace deals (from wars lost):

  1. Dr. Dwayne: 5186
  2. hobbers: 4986
  3. Crackers: 3693
  4. Great Shakesy: 2526
  5. maniak: 2151
  6. nimic-Simbo: 1424
  7. Organic Potatoes: 1270
  8. The Cat: 1060
  9. Salt Bailly: 522
  10. Dan: 262
  11. RedSky: 0
  12. PSV: 0
  13. altodevil: 0

Effective discipline (this tracks multiple army stats like morale, discipline, tech level, etc. Basically, it shows who has the best units, man for man.):

  1. PSV: 136
  2. Great Shakesy: 136
  3. Salt Bailly: 135
  4. nimic-Simbo: 130
  5. RedSky: 130
  6. Crackers: 125
  7. altodevil: 123*
  8. Organic Potatoes: 115
  9. maniak: 114
  10. hobbers: 113
  11. Dan: 105*
  12. Dr. Dwayne: 95*
  13. The Cat: 90*
*caveats. Eastern tech groups (Dr. Dwayne, Dan) are 5% weaker and Muslim/Anatolian tech groups (The Cat, altodevil) are 10% weaker than their Western equivalents in 1821.


Largest battles (first name = winner):

  1. 599,000 - PSV (483,000) vs Netherlands (116,000) in 1783
  2. 564,400 - PSV (421,000) vs nimic-Simbo (143,000) in 1808
  3. 534,520 - Westphalia (488,520) vs RedSky (46,000) in 1802
  4. 468,289 - altodevil (462,759) vs Delhi (23,530) in 1814
  5. 432,704 - Crackers (183,429) vs PSV (249275) in 1758
  6. 424,702 - PSV (367,000) vs nimic-Simbo (57,702) in 1807
  7. 413,484 - altodevil (343,824) vs Somalia (69,660) in 1699
  8. 412,479 - altodevil (398515) vs Delhi (13,964) in 1813
  9. 403,000 - Delhi (333,000) vs altodevil (70,000) in 1813
  10. 401,692 - PSV (171,000) vs nimic-Simbo (230,692) in 1808

Largest battle per player (first name = winner, bold = participants largest battle)

  1. 599,000 - PSV (483,000) vs Netherlands (116,000) in 1783
  2. 564,400 - PSV (421,000) vs nimic-Simbo (143,000) in 1808
  3. 534,520 - Westphalia (488,520) vs RedSky (46,000) in 1802
  4. 468,289 - altodevil (462,759) vs Delhi (23,530) in 1814
  5. 432,704 - Crackers (183,429) vs PSV (249275) in 1758
  6. 263,390 - PSV (153,545) vs hobbers (109,845) in 1709
  7. 263,193 - Salt Bailly (166,510) vs Delhi (96,683) in 1725
  8. 252,757 - altodevil (192,000) vs maniak (60,757) in 1759
  9. 221,461 - Great Shakesy (128,536) vs Sokoto (92925) in 1769
  10. 187,000 - altodevil (158,000) vs The Cat (29,00) in 1804
  11. 174,773 - altodevil (101,000) Dr. Dwayne (73,773) in 1720
  12. 172,749 - Dr. Dwayne (97,294) vs Dan (75,455) in 1701
  13. 172,182 - Organic Potatoes (95,182) vs Saxony (77,000) in 1774

Dead players:

  1. Eboue (absorbed by PSV via personal union)
  2. MadDogg (killed by altodevil)
  3. Cheimoon (annexed by altodevil, made Chief Eunuch)
  4. GreatDane (died in League war)
  5. P-Nut (killed by altodevil)
  6. WI_Red (absorbed by PSV via personal union)
  7. Solius x2 (gangbanged by Dr. Dwayne and maniak, ressurected by Japan, killed by maniak again)
  8. SilentWitness (annexed by Great Shakesy)
  9. Dr. Dwayne (annexed by altodevil, gangbanged by maniak, Shun, Kazan, Japan and Jianzhou) REVIVED by Dan via mouth-to-mouth

Religious map

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Tech map (the greener you are, the more tech you've embraced and the bigger advantages you have over your neighbours):

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The state of the HRE. It passed 3 reforms:


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List of Holy Roman Emperors:

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The dynastic map:

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hobbers said:
Great work. feck the HRE
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:lol:

It was a bit of a unlucky run for the HRE to be honest, as we lacked a strong Emperor, so they felt very anemic. Typically, Austria will expand into Bohemia and Hungary fairly early through events/missions, which puts it in a stronger position to tackle the Ottomans mid/late game. But Crackers didn't seem to come alive until the 1700s, by which time it was too late for him.

Likewise Poland got a little fecked over by the Lithuanian PU event not firing. But Dan did have a exceptionally good start in taking Wallachia and Hungary, which seemed to put altodevil off attacking him all game. I'd have expected the Ottomans to beat on Poland a lot otherwise.
 
I was thinking of running another experiment with the new DLC. Would there be interest for this?

Might add a few more countries (open to suggestions).
 
Yep. Definitely interested. I got a new pc and have been experimenting with trying to implement AI into an experiment (probably for FM) but open to this for sure!
 
Absolutely! Following your last experiment has resulted in a few hundred hours wasted....errr devoted to EU4.
 
hobbers said:
Dibs on constantinople
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Byzantium start with Constantinople. Are you sure about that? :wenger:


I'll consider this the sign up thread then. I've got the same 22 countries from the last run locked in and thinking of tossing a few more into the hat (Papal States & Scotland, maybe Timurids and Novgorod? Where's my boy @nimic to throw ideas at?).



  1. Organic Potatoes
  2. SilentWitness
  3. Stobzilla
  4. hobbers
  5. WI_Red
  6. The Cat
  7. PSV
  8. Dr. Dwayne
  9. harms
  10. Shakesy
  11. Andycoleno9
  12. Withnail
  13. nimic
 
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Phil Jones Face said:
Byzantium start with Constantinople. Are you sure about that? :wenger:


I'll consider this the sign up thread then. I've got the same 22 countries from the last run locked in and thinking of tossing a few more into the hat (Papal States & Scotland, maybe Timurids and Novgorod? Where's my boy @nimic to throw ideas at?).



  1. Organic Potatoes
  2. SilentWitness
  3. Stobzilla
  4. hobbers
  5. WI_Red
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If we are taking requests, and it's the new DLC, mark me down for the Ottoman's. Can't wait to form the Eyalet-i RedCafe.
 
Phil Jones Face said:
Byzantium start with Constantinople. Are you sure about that? :wenger:


I'll consider this the sign up thread then. I've got the same 22 countries from the last run locked in and thinking of tossing a few more into the hat (Papal States & Scotland, maybe Timurids and Novgorod? Where's my boy @nimic to throw ideas at?).



  1. Organic Potatoes
  2. SilentWitness
  3. Stobzilla
  4. hobbers
  5. WI_Red
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Yes please.
 
Aight. First time my problem was no access to the sea, second time I got the worst sailors in the world (literally), what's next I wonder. :angel:
 
Yo can I also call dibs on Scotland if you go with them and we can choose.
 
You feckers aren't picking. :lol:

You'll suffer whatever backwater (probably Scottish) swamp you're randomised with!
 
Phil Jones Face said:
Byzantium start with Constantinople. Are you sure about that? :wenger:


I'll consider this the sign up thread then. I've got the same 22 countries from the last run locked in and thinking of tossing a few more into the hat (Papal States & Scotland, maybe Timurids and Novgorod? Where's my boy @nimic to throw ideas at?).



  1. Organic Potatoes
  2. SilentWitness
  3. Stobzilla
  4. hobbers
  5. WI_Red
  6. The Cat
  7. PSV
  8. Dr. Dwayne
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I want in!
 
Phil Jones Face said:
Byzantium start with Constantinople. Are you sure about that? :wenger:


I'll consider this the sign up thread then. I've got the same 22 countries from the last run locked in and thinking of tossing a few more into the hat (Papal States & Scotland, maybe Timurids and Novgorod? Where's my boy @nimic to throw ideas at?).



  1. Organic Potatoes
  2. SilentWitness
  3. Stobzilla
  4. hobbers
  5. WI_Red
  6. The Cat
  7. PSV
  8. Dr. Dwayne
  9. harms
  10. Shakesy
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Tag someone, anyone, everyone!
 
Any room for me? I am not picky. I will take Paris or Madrid or Lisbon. No problem.
 
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Phil Jones Face said:
Byzantium start with Constantinople. Are you sure about that? :wenger:


I'll consider this the sign up thread then. I've got the same 22 countries from the last run locked in and thinking of tossing a few more into the hat (Papal States & Scotland, maybe Timurids and Novgorod? Where's my boy @nimic to throw ideas at?).



  1. Organic Potatoes
  2. SilentWitness
  3. Stobzilla
  4. hobbers
  5. WI_Red
  6. The Cat
  7. PSV
  8. Dr. Dwayne
  9. harms
  10. Shakesy
  11. Andycoleno9
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Count me in
 
Phil Jones Face said:
Byzantium start with Constantinople. Are you sure about that? :wenger:


I'll consider this the sign up thread then. I've got the same 22 countries from the last run locked in and thinking of tossing a few more into the hat (Papal States & Scotland, maybe Timurids and Novgorod? Where's my boy @nimic to throw ideas at?).



  1. Organic Potatoes
  2. SilentWitness
  3. Stobzilla
  4. hobbers
  5. WI_Red
  6. The Cat
  7. PSV
  8. Dr. Dwayne
  9. harms
  10. Shakesy
  11. Andycoleno9
  12. Withnail
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I was just starting to think it was time for another, so I guess this way I don't have to run it :lol:

IMO if there's some way to deal with the Ottomans, that could be worth looking into. Something making it a bit more chaotic, maybe.
 
nimic said:
I was just starting to think it was time for another, so I guess this way I don't have to run it :lol:

IMO if there's some way to deal with the Ottomans, that could be worth looking into. Something making it a bit more chaotic, maybe.
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Just give them England's starting ruler. Should solve things.
 
nimic said:
I was just starting to think it was time for another, so I guess this way I don't have to run it :lol:

IMO if there's some way to deal with the Ottomans, that could be worth looking into. Something making it a bit more chaotic, maybe.
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This is last patch (king of kings)? I played it with Portugal (i just love to colonize new world) and Turks were destroyed in my save. Byzantium, Timurids and Hungary ripped them apart.
 
nimic said:
I was just starting to think it was time for another, so I guess this way I don't have to run it :lol:

IMO if there's some way to deal with the Ottomans, that could be worth looking into. Something making it a bit more chaotic, maybe.
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The new DLC is focused on the Byzantines, Mamluks, Timurids and Ottomans. It's pretty good tbh.

It looks like they've added an instability modifier that makes it tougher for the Ottomans. I think they're still strong early like every EU4 run, but should find it more difficult later. Having said that, on the test run I just did, Austria absolutely demolished them within the first 20 years. :lol:
 
Phil Jones Face said:
The new DLC is focused on the Byzantines, Mamluks, Timurids and Ottomans. It's pretty good tbh.

It looks like they've added an instability modifier that makes it tougher for the Ottomans. I think they're still strong early like every EU4 run, but should find it more difficult later. Having said that, on the test run I just did, Austria absolutely demolished them within the first 20 years. :lol:
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Ah, I wasn't even aware there was a new DLC. I guess I'll have to check it out!
 
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