Subbing our two worst performers early in the second half wasn’t something I’m used to. Dalot kept getting skinned and Rashford, whilst he did grow into the game, looked far less effective than Amad. Was really refreshing to see.
Ten Hag sacked | Ruud appointed Interim Manager
- Thread starter Wumminator
- Start date
Thank you for this Ruud enjoyed a United game over again.
Yes, such a big difference. So refreshing indeed
The sad thing is that sometimes an underperforming player needs to be subbed off when it's just not working for him, Ten Hag used to keep them on all game which was not a good thing.
Today Dalot and Rashford were the worst on the pitch and I believe it will be good for them to realise they are no longer and automatic staters which will give the the wake up call they need to buck up their ideas and do better next time they play.
He was terrible. RVN has not even changed the shape or style of play. Just made a few tweaks and different player selection, and got results
So how is ETH a good coach again?
ETH was an abysmal coach. We look so much better and more compact.
ETH completely lost the plot in terms of his best eleven, the subs he used, when he used them, his tactics and leaving underperforming players on for far too long. If we’d let him go in the summer I’m sure we’d be a good 6-9pts better off at this season.
Ten Haag already linked to the Roma job
Italian football is ironically quite different to how his Ajax team played. Odd choice if he ends up at Roma. Anyway he isn’t our problem now!
He’s handling of Amad alone infuriated the most. How anyone could watch the lad and not see the attributes he brings to the team are levels above any other winger at the club. It blows my mind.
And of Ugarte
So you wanted him, as an interim manager with only 4 games, to implement a new shape and style of play before the new permanent manager comes in and implements yet another shape and style of play? Do you realise how completely disruptive and counterproductive that would have been? Tweaks to get results was literally the best thing he could have done. And he did it.
He's saying ETH was terrible.
Good luck to him
Unless there was some sort of reduced break clause in the contract, would we not still be paying Ten Hag monthly and that obligation would stop if he took another job?
That's how it would work in any other industry but football is a bit of its own world.
That's how it would work in any other industry but football is a bit of its own world.
Last edited:
Ah right on, that makes more sense. In which case, I apologise and absolutely agree.
Remember when people were saying sacking ETH would be risky as "things could get worse" and there is no standout candidate available 
We wouldn't win the league with Ruud but literally any PL manager would have improved on that idiotic ETH setup.
We wouldn't win the league with Ruud but literally any PL manager would have improved on that idiotic ETH setup.Ruud did good.
I'm sure he enjoyed his stint and won 3 out of 4. Can't really argue with that, football was still shite though.
I don't think Utd should ever hire another Dutch coach, the Dutch style of football is too fecking slow and monotonous.
I'm sure he enjoyed his stint and won 3 out of 4. Can't really argue with that, football was still shite though.
I don't think Utd should ever hire another Dutch coach, the Dutch style of football is too fecking slow and monotonous.
Ruud subs were spot on. Subbed Dalot and Rashford who were not having good game and we instantly went to have more control. Something we have been missing for past few years.
He has bright future ahead where ever he goes.
He has bright future ahead where ever he goes.
Remember when people were saying sacking ETH would be risky as "things could get worse" and there is no standout candidate available
Half the idiots who were saying that stuff still think we're playing the exact same way just better. If people couldn't see the repeated tactical mistakes under Ten Hag and how we've closed the holes under RvN then what hope is there.
Ten Hag had the tools to be more compact he self sabotaged. I'm not convinced he didn't want the sacking and the pay off. He looked like a manager out of his league who just wanted it to end.
Ten Hag was abysmal. Timestamped the part about United:
Like Arne Slot’s?
New manager bounce. Let's see how he does when he has to bring in a few of his own players.
Yeah, a far too generalizing statement that. It isn't like Ruud had any time to coach the players to play "his" system either. He had 4 games in two weeks, he did the reasonable thing in making things more stable and focus on getting results.
Well never say never but going off the seasons we've had to endure under Van Gaal and Ten Hag I'd probably agree.
Ruud's interim stint went how I hoped.
We couldn't expect a radically different approach to the football played due to the short time frame and a new man coming in.
He did however, absolutely highlight Ten Hag's major flaws by simply tightening the midfield and making sensible selections and substitutions, the absolute basics and we got positive results from it.
We couldn't expect a radically different approach to the football played due to the short time frame and a new man coming in.
He did however, absolutely highlight Ten Hag's major flaws by simply tightening the midfield and making sensible selections and substitutions, the absolute basics and we got positive results from it.
That’s more his level I guess then.
Yeah that's quite terrible.
Aye, I know people will point to Slot.
But this time last year everyone was sucking De Zerbi and Ange off. Now De Zerbi looks to be having a rough time in France despite results being decent and Ange is coming under pressure at Spurs.
Slot's start has been great, but plenty of managers have come in and had good starts, maybe not as good. But I'm fairly sure Ole won more points in his first 11 league games as interim than Slot has.
Conte, Sarri, Ange, Carlo all had great runs at the start of their first seasons. Feck I think even Koeman had a ridiculous start at Southampton. I think people are too quick to jump the gun with managers and coaches in these scenarios. There comes a point where that momentum starts to slow down, there may be a slump, we'll just have to wait and see how the team reacts to that.
I have this feeling he’ll end up in the Bundesliga at a smaller club, with the ambition of working himself up all the way to the Bayern job eventually
Speaking of Dutch managers, Arnie Slot seems to be a better communicator than ETH. Even his command of the English language is heaps better. I wonder if most of ETH’s failures were because he struggled to actually convey his ideas to the team (the language barrier being one of the challenges) and ended up confusing and demotivating them even more?
I struggle to believe that ETH as a professional manager with CL experience could be that tactically clueless. The worst manager alongside Moyes despite winning 2 trophies.
I struggle to believe that ETH as a professional manager with CL experience could be that tactically clueless. The worst manager alongside Moyes despite winning 2 trophies.
Struggle to agree with people ‘going early’ on Slot compared to Ten Hag given we went from 7th to 3rd plus a trophy in his first season. It only started to fall apart a year or so later.
Slot has done a near perfect job thus far but a lot can change as we saw with our own bald Dutchman.
Slot has done a near perfect job thus far but a lot can change as we saw with our own bald Dutchman.
Ruud might become an attractive candidate for some clubs after his good performance as interim here.
Absolutely!
I said that ETH must be sacked in the Summer. Unfortunately, the decision-makers dithered, and extended his contract, after he got us 8th place in the league.
That was a shocking decision.
I think ETH's level is to manage in a minor league, for a smallish club where he won't be under the microscope. He can take time to learn about his players and which tactics work best with those players. A big club will demand instant results and that might not be easy for him. Moreover, his reliance on Dutch players is likely to hold him back if he manages outside of the Dutch league.
I have no ill will towards ETH - he just wasn't good enough to manage in the EPL. And before someone says that he could manage a team near the bottom of the EPL - he can't. He'll likely get them relegated. Consider that he spent £500M+ in 2.5 seasons (one of the highest spends in the World during that time) and he had us in the bottom half of the table. Imagine what he would do to a cash strapped club, already near the bottom of the table.
I agree. But the difference with Slot is he has Liverpool at the top of the table and if he wins it in his first season with only signing 1 of his own players then that already beats Klopp.
Haha. Totally agree.
In my lifeitime, I never want to see any Dortmund players (these players fail at our club) or Dutch managers (they tend to do poorly at our club, though they do win the FA Cup).
I would be very surprised if he does well (ie win trophies) in another league.
Was refreshing to see a style of play and proper pressing after only four games in charge. Players knew there roles. Although not perfect you could see what the game plan was and the way he wanted the team to play and we looked better each game which top managers do and would of getting better with time.
We didn't see this in two years with Ten Hag. Ten Hags pressing was just the first front three and the full backs and midfield had no idea what to do then. Under Ruud you could see the pressing patterns.
Also Ten Hag going on about integrating Ugarte into the team and too early, what a load of nonsense that was!
We didn't see this in two years with Ten Hag. Ten Hags pressing was just the first front three and the full backs and midfield had no idea what to do then. Under Ruud you could see the pressing patterns.
Also Ten Hag going on about integrating Ugarte into the team and too early, what a load of nonsense that was!
I think he did see his quality - hence why he started him 8 games to start the season.