Lovely statement from ten hag, as dignified as one would expect. I think he's a good coach, but like many good players, didnt quite adapt to the PL. Wouldnt be at all surprised to see him do well in another league again
Ten Hag sacked | Ruud appointed Interim Manager
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I think with EtH the PL was just a bad fit in terms of how it ruthlessly exploited deficiencies in his system.
There are definitely players who have been on this cycle too many times who I feel showed the same signs again.
I don't think for a second that these players plan to get managers sacked, however, there is an obvious mentality issue among some key players who find it hard to motivate themselves, not to talk about about motivating others.
They should definitely be sold
There are definitely players who have been on this cycle too many times who I feel showed the same signs again.
I don't think for a second that these players plan to get managers sacked, however, there is an obvious mentality issue among some key players who find it hard to motivate themselves, not to talk about about motivating others.
They should definitely be sold
I don't think I've seen any tweet from Ornstein at that time and he's the best when it comes to our news out there. Loads other who did tweet, lost a lot of credibility.
And as @Sir Erik ten Hag said, they must bear the accusation of making it up as they did get it wrong. They were all adamant that he was getting sacked during the last international break which turned out to be another BS. And the only one who got the early news when ETH was actually sacked was again Ornstein.
So yea, seems like the rest of the spoofers are not getting anything from the club anymore.
Fantastic post, well said.
Thanks mate. That doesn’t mean they are absolved from any criticism by the way, or that they won’t get things wrong.
I do think people need to remind themselves of the circus of Joel, Ed, Arnold and company and then look at how we are operating now in such a short space of time.
Not only that, but we’ve seen plenty of progress with our facilities and movement in relation to Old Trafford and regeneration of the area around it.
We’ve been drifting for 11 years now but finally we are now starting to move forward slowly but surely. Again perhaps those who are unhappy should take a step back and look at the bigger picture and what has been done in such a short period of time.
But they obviously didn't make it up. United were literally interviewing possible replacements with a view to sacking Ten Hag.
To be honest I've never seen the Greenwood situation as something that Ten Hag actually had to deal with. He was already suspended and away form the club before Erik even joined, he was never an option for him or a player he lost. He identified/signed Antony at great cost to replace him in the squad.
The SNAFU was the club including him in the plans for the following season, only to change their minds at the last minute when they realised it was an incredibly unpopular decision. Which was an unpredictable curveball for ETH to deal with.
So nothing any journalist reports is true unless Ornstein also reports it?
It doesn't work like that mate.I've no idea why some United fans got their knickers in a twist about the press reporting that Ten Hag was going to be sacked. The club were obviously leaning towards sacking him regardless of the Cup final result and still would have done had things went well in negotiations with one of the several managers they interviewed.
I think everyone at the club realized early on that summer that Greenwood returning wasn't going to be a well received decision. It well have been why we ended up signing Hojlund for £70m in August. If the plan was to play him up front, the wings were pretty stacked with Antony, Rashford, Sancho and Garnacho.
Can't believe fans were still making excuses for him after the dodgy penalty loss to West ham, just look at Notts forest wiping them clean out, we should never have been so heavily reliant on the ref having a good game when we faced relation form west ham.
Not sure I buy that though, claiming amorim was the target all along smacks of the kind of after the event arse covering Ed used to do all the time.
Reports at the time linked us with tichel most strongly but one party decided not go ahead with it
If ten hag had a less terrible start he would still be in post and another club could have appointed anorim in the interim
It does undermine their credibility when they get it so obviously wrong. Many reporters seem to write articles primarily for clicks(again unlike Ornstein who only seems to reports when he's 100% sure about it), as you mentioned. Regarding the 'knickers in a twist' comment, those reports came out right before the game, which clearly could have disrupted our preparations for such an important match. Couldn’t they have waited until after the game to break their news? That's the reason I’m happy with the press getting it wrong and why they are probably butthurt in my view. They didn't think we had a chance to win that game.So nothing any journalist reports is true unless Ornstein also reports it?
I've no idea why some United fans got their knickers in a twist about the press reporting that Ten Hag was going to be sacked. The club were obviously leaning towards sacking him regardless of the Cup final result and still would have done had things went well in negotiations with one of the several managers they interviewed.
Apparently not. Amorim only interested in United. Was going to be end of season but brought it forward.
Of course he is saying he was only interested in United once he has taken the job
Of course you’re not
Well said.
But they didn't, that's the point. He was almost certainly getting the sack at that point.
That's like saying a journalist who reported DeGea signing for Real madrid back in 2015 was wrong because the fax machine broke. It's not logical.
If a journalist or in this case several journalists get briefed/leaked information then of course they're going to run with it. If they don't someone else will and they'll miss out on reporting it.
I'm still baffled why some United fans got so upset about the press reporting about Ten Hag getting sacked, it's not like it was a shock that the club were considering it at the time. I'm not the medias biggest fan either and I do think some of them definitely have an agenda against United. But United are the biggest story in football, they're going to report whatever they hear because that's their job.
So honest question where do you think all the reports about Ten Hag getting sacked came from then?
His release clause was double in summer 2024 compared to what we would have paid summer 2025?
By all accounts he was the one pushing for it within the club though. If he really thoguht he'd be able to get Greenwood playing for Manchester United again without a significant backlash I'd put that as further evidence he never got to grips with the job.
Not to mention how poor a judge of character when you combine it with his very public support of Overmars.
Apparently so
I think it was just the Guardian which threw its hat into the ring like that, saying it's definitely happening.
Of course you absolutely have to judge them on results, but it would be nice is folks could actually wait to find out what those results are before judging and condemning.
Harsh to blame him for the West Ham defeat given our first half, we should have blown them away in the first half but our attackers couldn’t hit a cows ass with a banjo right now.
Right cheers, in hindsight we'd have probably saved money sacking Ten Hag in the summer and hiring Amorim then if he'd have been willing to come. But as they say it's a wonderful thing.
They didn’t get it horribly wrong at all - they were right about Ineos speaking to other candidates and they were right about him getting sacked. Their timing was just off by 14 or so games.
And how on earth is that hurting them? I don’t think you understand how the press works - they exist for clicks now. They got a shitload when reporting he was going to get the sack, they got a shitload more when he didn’t get the sack, and then they got to milk a shitload more clicks when the saga was drawn out in to this season. It’s been ideal for them.
Well just looking at how they bring it up at every opportunity they get, it appears to me that they couldn't let go of that. And no, they were not right about him getting sacked if their timing was off. That's just silly. They would have been right if he was sacked in the summer as they reported. That didn't happen. And they knew feck all when he was eventually sacked either.
If Garnacho was able to hit a barn door, we would have been easily 5 or 6 points ahead of where we are right now and ETH would still be here. It's a moot point to discuss now anyways.
As far as I can gather Amorim's release clause was higher (not twice as high but, sure, significantly higher) last summer - which could mean 2023?
I dunno. But at any rate it wasn't twice as high this summer (2024) no matter what. His last release clause was roughly £12m, whereas the current one (which United paid was) was roughly £8m.
Apparently.
United also - apparently - approached Terzić a couple of weeks ago (this was reported all over the place).
Context: The idea that INEOS have been targeting Amorim (and nobody else) all along (and that we saved a lot of money by waiting until late October to sign him - rather than, you know, signing him before the season started).
ETA Amorim was - again: apparently - someone United looked at before deciding to go for ETH, but that is really neither here nor there as this was under whatshisface, the guy who wore jeans and bought drinks for fans (on one occasion).
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Man Utd stories generate clicks, so there is a constant stream of Man Utd stories. Doesn’t matter a bit whether there’s anything to them or not. Genuinely baffled how you don’t understand that.
As for your Garnacho point, if Ten Hag had employed effective tactics we’d have easily been 6+ point ahead. But he didn’t so he got sacked. Like you said, it’s all moot now anyway, but trying to argue like the press are the losers here and not Ten Hag and Utd is asinine.
Well I'd say the press are the losers too, as their sources clearly weren't as reliable as they thought. They got it wrong on both occasions—first in the summer when they reported he would be sacked and then when he was ultimately let go, they knew feck all.
There's no need to be baffled—I get that our stories attract clicks. What I find amusing is the amount of discussion generated by my comment about the press patting themselves on the back for their reporting during the summer. People would be foolish to still give them clicks and not question the validity of their claims, especially when they’ve been shown to be unreliable sources of information. They've reported we wanted Tuchel all summer. Well if we really wanted him, he'd be here seeing as how we passed on him again when he went for the England job and then concluded the deal for Amorim within a week of ETH's sacking.
Yeah I'm a bit dubious on that one myself.
The press report the information they have at any point in time. Just because the thinking at United changed over the subsequent weeks/months and Ten Hag didn't end up getting sacked over the summer doesn't mean that the club weren't planning to sack Ten Hag at one point as was reported. They obviously were or do you think the club just interviewed other managers for the craic?
And when it comes to United the press can't lose. Any story related to United = clicks, clicks = money.
Oh wow, you still don’t seem to get it. The press don’t win by being right, they win by getting traffic. Which is what these stories achieved. They routinely churn out nonsense and speculation for clicks - they’ve been doing it for years and years. Getting the timeline for Ten Hag being sacked slightly off is a drop in the ocean and won’t for a second stop then moving on to the next story, and it won’t for a second stop people clicking on the next story.
I'm honestly not sure why we're still debating this. They've lost credibility in my eyes, and I don't see the point in clicking their articles when they're known to get it wrong. If others like you want to keep giving them their clicks that they still "win", that's your choice, but as far as I'm concerned, they lose cause they're not reliable any longer.
You’re also still here debating it? Not the most self aware chap are you.
I’m not clicking on them. And neither are you. So what? Lots of people still will so the journalists won’t give a toss of they’ve lost credit with a redcafe poster who doesn’t seem to understand how the media works.
His A plan was missing :
+ 1. D.O.F = Marc Overmars = This guy how to play and skill ful football on the highest level and know how to get the exact player who is able to his speed and top football. Ajax wasn't the same after he left.
+ 2.Missing a proactive, controlling, commander and playmaker cm player = Frenkie De Jong
+ 3.Missing a top RW like Mahrez/Ziyech
+ 4.Missing a LW and top assist/service LW and attacking playmaker
+ 5.Missing a LB in his second season
All the point above. Reasons and why previous football department at United brought him to Old Trafford.
After his arriving. Ten Hag end up with plan B. Counter attack and continue Ole set up.
5 big reasons, factors, puzzles and ingredients why he didn't succed at Manchester United.
After buying a really poor buy in Antony in first season, first transfer.
Second season buying Mason Mount. That didn't solve one of the 5 missing point and factor above. He was still on opposite track and path of success. Slowly leading him to sacking.
After point 5. Missing a top left back going into 3 rd season. It just went further on that track. Closer and closer to exit door.
+ 1. D.O.F = Marc Overmars = This guy how to play and skill ful football on the highest level and know how to get the exact player who is able to his speed and top football. Ajax wasn't the same after he left.
+ 2.Missing a proactive, controlling, commander and playmaker cm player = Frenkie De Jong
+ 3.Missing a top RW like Mahrez/Ziyech
+ 4.Missing a LW and top assist/service LW and attacking playmaker
+ 5.Missing a LB in his second season
All the point above. Reasons and why previous football department at United brought him to Old Trafford.
After his arriving. Ten Hag end up with plan B. Counter attack and continue Ole set up.
5 big reasons, factors, puzzles and ingredients why he didn't succed at Manchester United.
After buying a really poor buy in Antony in first season, first transfer.
Second season buying Mason Mount. That didn't solve one of the 5 missing point and factor above. He was still on opposite track and path of success. Slowly leading him to sacking.
After point 5. Missing a top left back going into 3 rd season. It just went further on that track. Closer and closer to exit door.
Playing a dumbass midfield set up that made no sense and any eejit on the net could predict had no chance of working. I mean, seriously, how did 70% of the forum immediately know that his Bruno/Mount and Old Cas set up was inherently flawed and it took him 60 games to try something new system wise?
I mean what did ETH do well?
Buy well? No
Coach well? Not from what we could see.
Manage games well? God no.
Win cup finals? Yes.
I mean what did ETH do well?
Buy well? No
Coach well? Not from what we could see.
Manage games well? God no.
Win cup finals? Yes.
None of this excuses the fact that there was .. after 3 years of him in charge, a giant donut in the middle whenever we press and we are bottom half in xGA. Give literally any PL quality coach 11 of our players and they'd have us 6th-8th by most measures. Sure all of those things are the difference between finishing 6th and 1st but there's no excuse to being 14th and (a lucky) 8th.
The fact that we can't create, can't press, can't build up and can't defend after 3 years in charge is inexcusable. Let's see how he gets on in the next job.
We should be moving on now, instead of kicking him while he's down, but it's still so difficult to comprehend his incompetency. Thank feck we weren't sinking enough under him to salvage the season.
Agreed but he could have done a lot better if he tighten the central midfield rather letting it runover time and time again.
No wonder defence and midfield started looking better when Rudd played 2 CM's in centre.