Yes, I definitely agree with you. It is just ironic that the final straw was kindof directly caused by Michael Oliver's bullshit penalty call
Ten Hag sacked | Ruud appointed Interim Manager
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No, he can jog on. Twat
This will not change a thing. Man Utd is a broken club. Players and coaches who get here since SAF retired automagically drop in quality. It is a crazy thing. Ten Hag off course had to go, but we are gonna suck for at least another half a decade, possibly longer.
Man United have never been worse, in any of our lifetimes, than when Erik took over. We are in bad shape, and he was going to get sacked, but we are most certainly not worse off than when he took over. If you just watch the league table in October, maybe you should watch the games, instead.
To be fair he's probably had the best run of hiding behind excuses in football history. He managed to convince a lot of people the debacle that was last season was due to injuries and players not following instructions.
It wasn’t?
He's signed some right shit but the majority of them will look better under a better coach that can set a team up properly.
Serious?
Injuries contributed but they weren't the main factor, Ten Hag's tactics were. Proven by the shite form and performances carrying into this season when we've had very few injuries for the most part. Most people including the club finally seen past the excuses.
Onana
Mazraoui deLigt Martinez Malacia
Casemiro Ugarte
Antony Eriksen Zirkzee
Hojlund
There is only really Malacias injury question mark and Antony that stops that being a decent 11. To say that’s worse than Maguire and Lindelof, McFred and Martial up top is incredibly harsh.
Ok.
Take a wild fecking guess.
Very optimistic really.
No. Not if you actually look at the evidence. We were bad with injuries. And we’ve been bad with a fit squad. The common denominator is Ten Hag’s disjointed tactics.
Yes of course….year one was promising. Two trophies and he managed some difficult situations well eg Ronaldo and Sancho. Last season for me was an absolute disaster of injuries that any club would suffer with. Arsenal for example now…all the talk is of how they will struggle over the next few weeks due to defensive injury crisis. When it was us last season it was…it’s part and parcel of the game…to an extent it is but not to that extent.
This season I’d hoped he could get on track from the first season but ultimately results weren’t good enough, even nearly. But we now have to start again and hope we finally find the right man…At some point someone needs some time to turn this mess around, of course it needs to be the right person but part way through the job we may not have the full picture. Certainly didn’t in 89.
His sacking was inevitable. He should have been sacked after that recent 3:0 to liverpool - heck should have been sacked last season.
You know better than me of course because i don't know much about the guy but this insight about players sounds too detailed for being made up. For me, at least.
He failed himself at UTD. Left behind his ethos and style at Ajax which is the only reason he was hired in the first place. Why would you drop the style that got you the job??
Also his desire to have absolute control started when he wanted Ragnick removed before he started. He needed Ragnick. He needed someone who could do the work he clearly wouldn’t have had the time or skill to do himself.
Each year we’ve gotten worse. Isn’t that a core requirement of our coach? That he incrementally gets better? Our players have gotten worse. Don’t tell me the coach doesn’t have a hand in that?
He had a tough start with the player issues for sure. But he still had strange selections, strange tactics which left us open to defeat to anyone, and became defensive rather than offensive.
This is the right decision but I’m not full of optimism going forward. These last 2 years have killed something in me.
Also his desire to have absolute control started when he wanted Ragnick removed before he started. He needed Ragnick. He needed someone who could do the work he clearly wouldn’t have had the time or skill to do himself.
Each year we’ve gotten worse. Isn’t that a core requirement of our coach? That he incrementally gets better? Our players have gotten worse. Don’t tell me the coach doesn’t have a hand in that?
He had a tough start with the player issues for sure. But he still had strange selections, strange tactics which left us open to defeat to anyone, and became defensive rather than offensive.
This is the right decision but I’m not full of optimism going forward. These last 2 years have killed something in me.
He started well and did many things right. Not sure why things started to change so much but he had it coming. Nothing was working anymore and any other club would have fired him weeks ago
Another post fergie manager who failed to get the midfield right.
Thinking zirkzee would address our lack of goals was another major error, or was that on Radcliffe?
Thinking zirkzee would address our lack of goals was another major error, or was that on Radcliffe?
Wonder when he will speak to the media.
I remember watching Klopp's Liverpool and thinking "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts." Dude had Henderson humming. That isn't EtH, he system seems to need superior talent.
This bit made me laugh
"This correspondent continued to receive abusive and barely coherent emails from the close relative of an experienced United player last season"
Based on your own ingrained negativity. What is the point of bothering with "supporting" this club with this attitude? Seems a big old waste of time to me.
You don't have to be deluded and overly positive, but christ if you can't see a bit of hope on the horizon, I'd just....stop watching.
No that was the honey spell that started to end around about the final of a cup big teams don’t really care too much about
We played Villa burnely Charlton all at home and then forest in the semi final
But hey, you’re right taking us from 4th to 14th and wasting all our money deserves more time
For the record I don’t hate him, I just think he’s a very poor manager, don’t need to hate the guy for that. He seems a nice bloke, just a shite coach
I don't understand how he wasn't able to rectify his team being so open.
He was. We seen him fix it when his job was on the line.
Woah, let's. Kt get ahead of ourselves here. I know absolutely nothing about anything!
Good summary that I agree with.
He had no plan for the massive head in the centre circle which was his down fall
Some of the takes on social media this morning are wild, ''these players are to blame'' ''the players get another manager sacked'' ''what did we expect him to do with the squad he's inherited'' and similar.
Same old cliche's that are trotted out everytime a managers sacked that might have held some merit in the past but to say it this time is ludicrous given the amount of players Ten Hag has signed and promoted. He's had more backing by a mile, than every other manager post SAF.
Same old cliche's that are trotted out everytime a managers sacked that might have held some merit in the past but to say it this time is ludicrous given the amount of players Ten Hag has signed and promoted. He's had more backing by a mile, than every other manager post SAF.
It's bizarre. You still see people on here saying it! And when pointed out how many players are actually left they just ignore you and carry on tooting that same exhausted horn.
We replaced deadwood with deadwood, that's the problem. Our recruitment is abysmal. Slowest midfield in the PL, slowest defense too. Inexperienced forwards, players that aren't working for the team (Rashford), player(s) that do whatever they want (Bruno), players that are always injured (Shaw, Mount).
Good luck to Amorim, if he can fix this HUGE mess he should be knighted.
They put so much stock in supporting the manager they still aren’t ready to climb down from that clearly and objectively wrong stance. We still had people on here after West Ham defending Ten Hag, asking for more time, asking for more players, stating it was only 9 games into his ‘first’ season etc.
When you’re that blindly entrenched in your opinion you can’t see anything else. Have you seen the movie Don’t Look Up?
This story doesn't work.
Ten Hag had the chance to come in and make his choices on players, when his job was under pressure at Villa, he turned to Maguire, Evans, Rashford, Bruno et all, who were here previously.
He also got his lieutenants in, Antony, Eriksen, Licha, De Ligt, Mazroui, so again, the line that these players to blame doesnt work.
This is purely on Ten Hag.
Erik ten Hag was not good enough.
This squad is not good enough.
Both can be true, and are not mutually exclusive. We have a good goalkeeper and a pretty decent defence. Our midfield and attack are a shambles.
A better manager will get more out of this squad by being more pragmatic. But our squad's ceiling will still be nowhere near high enough to really compete with the likes of City and Liverpool. There is a crazy misconception amongst our fanbase that players like Bruno, Rashford, Hojlund, Zirkzee, Garnacho and Amad can be Premier League challengers as long as we have the right manager.
They simply are either not good enough, or not suited to any style of football that is dominant and high possession. Amad is probably the closest of that group, and even he is highly overrated.
Amorim will also find himself struggling if he continues the awful trend of building a team around Bruno and Rashford. That's just a fact.
This squad is not good enough.
Both can be true, and are not mutually exclusive. We have a good goalkeeper and a pretty decent defence. Our midfield and attack are a shambles.
A better manager will get more out of this squad by being more pragmatic. But our squad's ceiling will still be nowhere near high enough to really compete with the likes of City and Liverpool. There is a crazy misconception amongst our fanbase that players like Bruno, Rashford, Hojlund, Zirkzee, Garnacho and Amad can be Premier League challengers as long as we have the right manager.
They simply are either not good enough, or not suited to any style of football that is dominant and high possession. Amad is probably the closest of that group, and even he is highly overrated.
Amorim will also find himself struggling if he continues the awful trend of building a team around Bruno and Rashford. That's just a fact.
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Not only that, of course you’re not going to get everyone onside. He has not treated some players well, Maguire for example, or even De Gea. They have mates also. He doesn’t fancy them, he made it known to everyone. They are fighting for their careers. Rightly or wrongly they are entitled to their opinions also.
As the manager you have to win people over unless you can get them out of the door. Fergie was great at this, most of the time players didn’t know they were being booted until they were told to head up to Newcastle and sign.
The most crazy arse manager I've ever seen. Some of the sht he did -
1) say he wouldn't play the Ajax way - then wtf did we sign him
2) signings like Antony - worst signing ever. Not just the price and failure but the fact that he managed him before and couldn't tell he was one footed and couldn't take on a man.
3) play Maguire uo front and Mazroui as a 10 amongst other bizarre decisions
4) signings all his ex players at an unprecedented rate
5) not to mention all the rest I.e. getting battered not least 7-0 to the scousers, comming 8th etc
And yet amongst the madness managed to get silverware. It was a mad ride
1) say he wouldn't play the Ajax way - then wtf did we sign him
2) signings like Antony - worst signing ever. Not just the price and failure but the fact that he managed him before and couldn't tell he was one footed and couldn't take on a man.
3) play Maguire uo front and Mazroui as a 10 amongst other bizarre decisions
4) signings all his ex players at an unprecedented rate
5) not to mention all the rest I.e. getting battered not least 7-0 to the scousers, comming 8th etc
And yet amongst the madness managed to get silverware. It was a mad ride
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