klayton88
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Just sack Pat.
I'm still getting the hang of this, bear with me. It just looks like rinse and repeat for now.
He was two results away from keeping his job, that's my perspective.
Time will tell.
You were saying?Well yes for you. But you got to think from Ruben and Sportings perspective. Even Madrid won’t have any luck having managers jump ship during the season.
It makes no sense to say join now or see you never cause we are the ones losing out on a good manager cause of our stupid decision making. It makes sense to wait for him till the summer provided he is willing to come here and not go to City.
At some point, we are going to have to commit like we're married and hoping to survive a lull. No realistic replacement is turning this around in 2 seasons, even Pep would do well to do that.
Such are the margins.2 results he didnt get. We lost. So he doesnt get to keep his job
Not necessarily.And "keeping his job" just means more bad performance.
Because he's not just lucky, he has two trophies and a top 4 in two seasons.Why keep a manager who is lucky to have his job?
I was glass half full, you were the opposite it seems. I can respect that.He simply couldnt afford to do poorly this season after last season's mess and he managed to make twice as much mess instead. 8th was poor, 14th is insulting
I thought you were not going to sack him regardless of the shit results.
The thing is it has come way too late yet again. I think that has been one of the problems with your team, sticking way too long with underperforming managers and players. This should had happened one year ago, so it all just amounts to a waste of time and resources. Nevertheless it was the right thing to do.
Give me time, I'll catch up if I am.How can people still have such a wildly deluded view of football management?
Two trophies and a top 4 in two seasons doesn't buy much I guess.Firstly we weren't 'surviving a lull', we were being decimated by a fraud. But even if it was just a lull, managers only survive lulls when they've earned that time by improving the team and the quality of football, and/or winning titles.
You and I are here because this club did once upon a time.If a manager cant improve things in 1-2 years, he will never be able to improve them in 3, 4 or 5+. It has never happened, no club from the top of the Prem to the bottom of Conference North has ever been stupid enough to even let one try.
Give me time, I'll catch up if I am.
Two trophies and a top 4 in two seasons doesn't buy much I guess.
You and I are here because this club did once upon a time.
I'll catch up to the new standard, I'm working this out in real time.No they dont, because they were not indicative of any improvement in the football or the results or the trajectory towards winning titles.
What happened in 1990 is not relevant to 2024. Obviously. That's why in the last 20 years no club on the planet has given a manager that sort of time unless they met progress targets.
How can people still have such a wildly deluded view of football management?
Firstly we weren't 'surviving a lull', we were being decimated by a fraud. But even if it was just a lull, managers only survive lulls when they've earned that time by improving the team and the quality of football, and/or winning titles.
If a manager cant improve things in 1-2 years, he will never be able to improve them in 3, 4 or 5+. It has never happened, no club from the top of the Prem to the bottom of Conference North has ever been stupid enough to even let one try.
Well yeah I meant they are special talent in relative terms. Such academic breakthroughs are a glimmer of hope if not more, when everything else is utterly abysmal.Good talents, nothing more than that. Atleast not yet. They have to show a lot more to be considered special talents. As United fans, we have this habit of overrating our academy players by quite a lot.
Take someone like Savio(not even going as far as Yamal) who is the same age as Garnacho, he's already is a way better dribbler, makes smarter decisions on the pitch and looks to pass from time to time.
Same with Mainoo. Very composed player with good dribbling on him who can do the basics right but there's a lot more that he needs to show. You rarely see Mainoo play any line breaking through balls or long range passes.
I know this is not the thread for this but I hope we as fans don't over hype them and then arrogance creeps into their play because they think they are better than what they are.
Most sensible thing that has been said.I'm still getting the hang of this, bear with me. It just looks like rinse and repeat for now.
He was two results away from keeping his job, that's my perspective.
Time will tell.
The Dutch press briefs are here.
I thought you were not going to sack him regardless of the shit results.
The thing is it has come way too late yet again. I think that has been one of the problems with your team, sticking way too long with underperforming managers and players. This should had happened one year ago, so it all just amounts to a waste of time and resources. Nevertheless it was the right thing to do.
I ll stick to my point unless this is confirmedYou were saying?
I'm of the mind that at the London meeting a decision was made to give him 3 or four games to produce a mini winning run, and that hasn't happened, plus on top of that there appears to be no sign of it happening.
It must have been a difficult decision to make, after all they backed him with a contract extension and another £200m
Watch Ruud lead us on a run of form and we end up 3rd in the league.
Then we sign Amorim!!
Watch Ruud lead us on a run of form and we end up 3rd in the league.
Then we signAmorimRuud permanently!!
Savio was impressive even last season when he wasn't playing for City. Agreed, the setup definitely didn't help but if they are to considered special talents they should be able to show more. Especially someone like Garnacho who has been given the freedom to do whatever he wants on the pitch. I give Mainoo more leeway as he was tasked to cover for Casemiro/Eriksen a lot of times.Well yeah I meant they are special talent in relative terms. Such academic breakthroughs are a glimmer of hope if not more, when everything else is utterly abysmal.
Drawing comparison with the likes of Savio, Yamal, et al isn't fair at this point as they play for top-notch teams in a highly cohesive and functional units. Also, they feed on the benefits of their pre-eminent playing ecosystems. And yes Yamal is currently unparalleled.
Garnacho although exciting, his overall game still has a lot to be desired. Mainoo discernibly regressed in his second season which many had expected. Having said that, they being part of an atrocious setup isn't helping in their progress. They are young and can still touch their higher ceiling in a competent setup. Hope.
The Dutch press briefs are here.
This should put to rest, for now, all the hype that was created about the new leadership being more professional and not jokers like the Glazers, Woodward etc.
It's absolute nonsense the way this saga has developed over the last 6 months. It makes no sense that you choose not to sack EtH before the end of last season because of one result, before which you remember we lucky to beat a Championship team, give him over 200m EUR to spend and then sack him a couple of months into the new season.
Not only did you waste an entire summer on a manager you didn't fully trust, in the process letting go of the chance to sign quality replacements before (Tuchel, Flick), thereby reducing your pool of managers to sign outright, but also made it more difficult to sign managers now since we're in the middle of the season and clubs would be less willing to let them go. What changed between May and now that they felt EtH either wasn't the right man or that there are better options? It's not as if we were playing great football last season. Almiron was available then as well, Tuchel and Flick were there too so it was a much better group of managers to pick from.
England look like geniuses for getting Tuchel two weeks ago, they predicted we would inevitably sack EtH and Tuchel would be on our list.
Tuchel probably was never seriously considered for the role. If he was, we would have sacked ETH before Tuchel went to England. There's a lot that might have been discussed behind the scenes that we aren't privy to. They made the decision now and didn't dither about trying to get the new guy in.Also, for all those saying this new structure and INEOS are no better than the previous one. When Jose was sacked and Ole was made interim or when Ole was sacked and Rangnick was made interim we didn't move this quickly for our next manager. We dithered for weeks to make a decision on permanent manager. Hopefully people see that.
The Dutch press briefs are here.
The Dutch press briefs are here.
The Dutch press briefs are here.
You're 90% sure we'll end up in 14th and performing consistently like a 14th place club for over a year under the next guy?I'm 90% sure we'll find ourselves in a similar spot with the next manager. At some point, we are going to have to commit like we're married and hoping to survive a lull. No realistic replacement is turning this around in 2 seasons, even Pep would do well to do that.
Why not? Didn’t Emery change the fortunes of a club in less than 15 months? It’s about getting right manager and staff in.I'm 90% sure we'll find ourselves in a similar spot with the next manager. At some point, we are going to have to commit like we're married and hoping to survive a lull. No realistic replacement is turning this around in 2 seasons, even Pep would do well to do that.
Tuchel probably was never seriously considered for the role. If he was, we would have sacked ETH before Tuchel went to England. There's a lot that might have been discussed behind the scenes that we aren't privy to. They made the decision now and didn't dither about trying to get the new guy in.
None of the media knew we were sacking ETH today either. Who knows, we might have been working on getting Amorim behind the scenes for a few weeks now?
Agreed! I actually thought he’d eventually bench Bruno when he first came in, but he turned him into captain instead.
As for Rashford, I bet you he miraculously gets a lot better right away