Just sack Pat.
Ten Hag sacked | Ruud appointed Interim Manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) are here to give their reaction just hours after the news has broke. Where did it all go wrong for ETH? What's next for United? and what were the highlights?
They also react to United's loss away at West Ham, including a breakdown of that ridiculous VAR decision.
2 results he didnt get. We lost. So he doesnt get to keep his job
And "keeping his job" just means more bad performance. Why keep a manager who is lucky to have his job? He simply couldnt afford to do poorly this season after last season's mess and he managed to make twice as much mess instead. 8th was poor, 14th is insulting
You were saying?
How can people still have such a wildly deluded view of football management?
Firstly we weren't 'surviving a lull', we were being decimated by a fraud. But even if it was just a lull, managers only survive lulls when they've earned that time by improving the team and the quality of football, and/or winning titles.
If a manager cant improve things in 1-2 years, he will never be able to improve them in 3, 4 or 5+. It has never happened, no club from the top of the Prem to the bottom of Conference North has ever been stupid enough to even let one try.
I thought you were not going to sack him regardless of the shit results. 
The thing is it has come way too late yet again. I think that has been one of the problems with your team, sticking way too long with underperforming managers and players. This should had happened one year ago, so it all just amounts to a waste of time and resources. Nevertheless it was the right thing to do.
The thing is it has come way too late yet again. I think that has been one of the problems with your team, sticking way too long with underperforming managers and players. This should had happened one year ago, so it all just amounts to a waste of time and resources. Nevertheless it was the right thing to do.
Such are the margins.
Not necessarily.
Because he's not just lucky, he has two trophies and a top 4 in two seasons.
I was glass half full, you were the opposite it seems. I can respect that.
I thought you were not going to sack him regardless of the shit results.
The thing is it has come way too late yet again. I think that has been one of the problems with your team, sticking way too long with underperforming managers and players. This should had happened one year ago, so it all just amounts to a waste of time and resources. Nevertheless it was the right thing to do.
It's a unique aspect of our dysfunction as a fanbase. Many of us seem to think (SAF) = manager = god. So we get what we deserve.
Thank god INEOS are changing the job title. Little things like that will help reprogramme the fanbase.
And hopefully Berrada sticks by the two-seasons-to-prove-yourself-or-you're-out rule for players. How the likes of Shaw are still here is beyond me.
Give me time, I'll catch up if I am.
Two trophies and a top 4 in two seasons doesn't buy much I guess.
You and I are here because this club did once upon a time.
No they dont, because they were not indicative of any improvement in the football or the results or the trajectory towards winning titles.
What happened in 1990 is not relevant to 2024. Obviously. That's why in the last 20 years no club on the planet has given a manager that sort of time unless they met progress targets.
I'll catch up to the new standard, I'm working this out in real time.
Results dictated this had to happen in the end. Good luck to him; I fully expect he’ll go elsewhere and do well, but this one ran its course.
And normally when a big club goes through a lull and sticks with a manager, it's because there's something to give you an inkling that they can turn it around. You can have terrible results and still show some signs of what you're trying to build, maybe with better players.
But with Ten Hag it doesn't matter. There was nothing. The results were awful, but the performances were just as bad, if not worse, most of the time.
Finally over and think it would've been better if it happened after Villa game but it is what it is. Most of the season yet to be played so hopefully we can save the season.
3rd place finish in 22/23 was nice (7-0 aside) and winning 2 domestic cups was great after years without trophies. However, we've been awful in league (and Europe) for two seasons now. Negative goal difference since last season started is terrible stat. Performances last season were terrible as well, bit better this season but not good enough again. So many defeats, so many games where we conceded 3 goals, it's just been really poor.
Win vs City in Fa Cup final definitely best moment of his tenure. That followed by 4-3 vs Liverpool, beating Newcastle in Carabao final and Barca win in Europa. Also Garnacho and Mainoo developing under him.
3rd place finish in 22/23 was nice (7-0 aside) and winning 2 domestic cups was great after years without trophies. However, we've been awful in league (and Europe) for two seasons now. Negative goal difference since last season started is terrible stat. Performances last season were terrible as well, bit better this season but not good enough again. So many defeats, so many games where we conceded 3 goals, it's just been really poor.
Win vs City in Fa Cup final definitely best moment of his tenure. That followed by 4-3 vs Liverpool, beating Newcastle in Carabao final and Barca win in Europa. Also Garnacho and Mainoo developing under him.
Well yeah I meant they are special talent in relative terms. Such academic breakthroughs are a glimmer of hope if not more, when everything else is utterly abysmal.
Drawing comparison with the likes of Savio, Yamal, et al isn't fair at this point as they play for top-notch teams in a highly cohesive and functional units. Also, they feed on the benefits of their pre-eminent playing ecosystems. And yes Yamal is currently unparalleled.
Garnacho although exciting, his overall game still has a lot to be desired. Mainoo discernibly regressed in his second season which many had expected. Having said that, they being part of an atrocious setup isn't helping in their progress. They are young and can still touch their higher ceiling in a competent setup. Hope.
Most sensible thing that has been said.
I'm of the mind that at the London meeting a decision was made to give him 3 or four games to produce a mini winning run, and that hasn't happened, plus on top of that there appears to be no sign of it happening.
It must have been a difficult decision to make, after all they backed him with a contract extension and another £200m
The other issue that Ratcliffe has is that he has £500m in ex Ajax players who don't look as though they are suited to the EPL.
The Dutch press briefs are here.
If he did, he'd be leaving on a high after winning the cup and could blame injuries for that 8th place finish. Only hurt his reputation more over these few months.
I thought you were not going to sack him regardless of the shit results.
The thing is it has come way too late yet again. I think that has been one of the problems with your team, sticking way too long with underperforming managers and players. This should had happened one year ago, so it all just amounts to a waste of time and resources. Nevertheless it was the right thing to do.
I seriously doubt anyone here believed ETH would never have been sacked, regardless of his performance as manager.
But you are right that the club waited too long. We should have sacked ETH right after the FA Cup win, although others argue he should have been sacked earlier than that. If nothing else, the duress that ETH was under during the period when other managers were interviewed made his position untenable and we saw predictably poor play during the summer friendlies and of course during the season itself, with the notable exception of a very decent performance against City in the Community Shield.
Hopefully he takes his Brazilian boytoy with him.
I ll stick to my point unless this is confirmedYou were saying?
I think they already knew he was going to be sacked whatever the results. Performances were not convincing at all (and apparently that's the more important thing). Everything is playing out the way The Muppetiers claimed it would. I know people don't rate them, but they've been spot on since the takeover business. Hell, just this morning (local time) they were talking up Amorim and Frank being leading candidates even before the news broke about Amorim, and saying the only way ETH is getting sacked now is because Berrada and them have heard back from a candidate.
Watch Ruud lead us on a run of form and we end up 3rd in the league.
Then we sign Amorim!!
Watch Ruud lead us on a run of form and we end up 3rd in the league.
Then we signAmorimRuud permanently!!
Savio was impressive even last season when he wasn't playing for City. Agreed, the setup definitely didn't help but if they are to considered special talents they should be able to show more. Especially someone like Garnacho who has been given the freedom to do whatever he wants on the pitch. I give Mainoo more leeway as he was tasked to cover for Casemiro/Eriksen a lot of times.
This should put to rest, for now, all the hype that was created about the new leadership being more professional and not jokers like the Glazers, Woodward etc.
It's absolute nonsense the way this saga has developed over the last 6 months. It makes no sense that you choose not to sack EtH before the end of last season because of one result, before which you remember we lucky to beat a Championship team, give him over 200m EUR to spend and then sack him a couple of months into the new season.
Not only did you waste an entire summer on a manager you didn't fully trust, in the process letting go of the chance to sign quality replacements before (Tuchel, Flick), thereby reducing your pool of managers to sign outright, but also made it more difficult to sign managers now since we're in the middle of the season and clubs would be less willing to let them go. What changed between May and now that they felt EtH either wasn't the right man or that there are better options? It's not as if we were playing great football last season. Almiron was available then as well, Tuchel and Flick were there too so it was a much better group of managers to pick from.
England look like geniuses for getting Tuchel two weeks ago, they predicted we would inevitably sack EtH and Tuchel would be on our list.
It's absolute nonsense the way this saga has developed over the last 6 months. It makes no sense that you choose not to sack EtH before the end of last season because of one result, before which you remember we lucky to beat a Championship team, give him over 200m EUR to spend and then sack him a couple of months into the new season.
Not only did you waste an entire summer on a manager you didn't fully trust, in the process letting go of the chance to sign quality replacements before (Tuchel, Flick), thereby reducing your pool of managers to sign outright, but also made it more difficult to sign managers now since we're in the middle of the season and clubs would be less willing to let them go. What changed between May and now that they felt EtH either wasn't the right man or that there are better options? It's not as if we were playing great football last season. Almiron was available then as well, Tuchel and Flick were there too so it was a much better group of managers to pick from.
England look like geniuses for getting Tuchel two weeks ago, they predicted we would inevitably sack EtH and Tuchel would be on our list.
good by and good riddance ..... should have happened post city game but the board just like many fans on here got hoodwinked by 1 game and here we are 6 months behind ....
Bullshit, he stood to make 17.5 million. He was almost fired in the summer they mean.
Tuchel probably was never seriously considered for the role. If he was, we would have sacked ETH before Tuchel went to England. There's a lot that might have been discussed behind the scenes that we aren't privy to. They made the decision now and didn't dither about trying to get the new guy in.
None of the media knew we were sacking ETH today either. Who knows, we might have been working on getting Amorim behind the scenes for a few weeks now?
The frustrating part is that… most of these have been pretty obvious to the untrained, naked eye. So why wasn’t there any improvement after such a long time? Was it on ETH to be so stubborn or the players to be so crap?
Yeah cause he is stupid enough to walk away from millions by resigning rather than getting fired.
I remember LVG claimed the same thing at one point after he got sacked - is this some sort of Dutch face-saving exercise?
You're 90% sure we'll end up in 14th and performing consistently like a 14th place club for over a year under the next guy?
It's frustrating this wasn't done in the summer, but it's a positive that it's been done early enough in the season that there's something actually salvageable from this.
Why not? Didn’t Emery change the fortunes of a club in less than 15 months? It’s about getting right manager and staff in.
From the posts made by all the players, seems like almost all of them loved Ten Hag.
A lot of the media were privy to us having discussions with managers before the summer, so I wouldn't say we are able to hide a lot. Maybe we did never consider Tuchel but then you had Flick. Many would consider Flick as hindsight but I've always considered him a top level manager, would've loved him here.
Even if you consider we've known Amorim is the man we want, again he was available in the summer as well so you could've given him much more time to get the team in order.
Yeah. His inability to trust youth and drop the older players played a part in his own downfall. Hopefully who ever replaces him learns from ETH’s mistake.