Or even worse, we win yesterday and ETH is still here
Ten Hag sacked | Ruud appointed Interim Manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) are here to give their reaction just hours after the news has broke. Where did it all go wrong for ETH? What's next for United? and what were the highlights?
They also react to United's loss away at West Ham, including a breakdown of that ridiculous VAR decision.
Good thing Oliver bet on United losing at the end to a dodgy penalty.
United players are on the Caf?
Ssshh, I don’t want to get sent on loan to Dortmund.
Standard PR I'd say. They wouldn't wanna be appearing as backstabbing cnuts.
Nothing from Amad though
Everyone knew he was lucky to win the FA cup, the first goal blunder, Amrabat having the game of his life just to name a couple, it was a straight shoot out in a derby final
His league performances have been getting worse since the league cup win!
He was backed to the hills and emptied our war chest
Not up to it simply put, I appreciate someone has to play devils advocate but everyone knew this was going to happen in the summer
Did the players do that for Jose? Probably did it for Ole.
Yes. Not just the players, Berrada is a regular. That's how the club takes the decisions.
People change, opinions change. Amorim probably didn't want to join us in the summer when he was talking to Liverpool. Flick probably already agreed to go to Barca by the time we were deciding to make the change. And we officially didn't have Berrada and Ashworth start in their roles. We would have sued to death if it came out that those two were speaking to potential appointments while on gardening leave. Now, maybe those two were able to change his mind and convince Amorim to join us? As I said, a lot could have gone on behind the scenes which we don't really know.
They sacked ETH now and on the same day we are close to appointing our next manager. That is miles better than the kind of dithering we saw from the previous guys.
Please, give credit where it's due. We all knew he wasn't good enough but there's no need to discredit his achievements to make a point. There was nothing lucky about that FA cup triumph.
Lucky to be in the final in the first place though
I don't remember, I wouldn't be surprised if the players he trusted the most did
That's not what I meant. Either way, the fact that United made it very clear that they considered the future of Ten Hag after the FA Cup final and came to the decision to let him stay is what irks me.
I like ten hag. I think he was dignified and desperately wanted to improve us and win, but it was clear this season that it just wasn't happening and had to go.
The usual comment here that the comments about him from large sections here were awful for quite a while. I'll never quite understand the vitriol, as opposed to criticism.
His first season was solid. I don't have much sense of regret with him leaving though, there was no way it was going to be turned around at this point.
A final positive is im not seeing a manager leave while have huge anger towards players. I think they all continued to try and are a better squad than we've seen.
Onwards and upwards
The usual comment here that the comments about him from large sections here were awful for quite a while. I'll never quite understand the vitriol, as opposed to criticism.
His first season was solid. I don't have much sense of regret with him leaving though, there was no way it was going to be turned around at this point.
A final positive is im not seeing a manager leave while have huge anger towards players. I think they all continued to try and are a better squad than we've seen.
Onwards and upwards
Why do they have to be backstabbing? Can't they just have tried but the managers shit system hasn't worked anywhere outside of an Ajax team for about 18 months and with a very specific set of players in a poor league?
Sure he made it hard for himself. But it was not lucky.
Not my opinion per se, just how some may be perceiving them
Anyone know if De Gea’s hand gesture post on Twitter was related to this?
Our club is toxic. I think that’s obvious. Reading the culture from leaks (not players but also staff). On top of that we have the media who love tearing us apart.
The players work hard enough. It's not a lack of application or attitude issue that's the problem.
A new manager can immediately improve this situation.
How is it toxic? Because you want to believe that and we're not winning games? It's amazing how much winning or losing drives the narrative.
Most of the players that came in are Ten Hag's signings. Why would he sign toxic players who don't like him and don't want to play for him? I would agree with you if we still had the likes of Pogba here but we don't have any characters like him any more.
I don't know about you but I've seen the lads try every single game this season and there have been no rumours about any issues in the dressing room. With the likes of Wilcox and Ashworth now working on the squad building you can guarantee any toxic influence (like Sancho) was shown the door over the summer.
He was lucky not to be sacked for finishing 8th. He was sacked because on top of that he has us at 14th
if he won 2 more matches he'd be lucky to have his job. He was lucky till we got rid
More intensity demanding manager than Ten Hag, who was quite mild on defensive aspects of the game ? Add to that most intense players in the squad (Malacia, Mount) being injured or without form ?
Sure, why the hell not.
Here's to better luck for the next manager.
There was a lot that went in our favour on the day and in the lead up to the final
We didn’t win because of his managerial skills that’s for sure
Here’s to a better manager
Not sure of your point. I'm not asking for more defensive intensity from the new manager.
We won plenty of ball in the opponents third under ETH. Best in Europe wasn't it?
My point is this isn't some nightmare group of players that will sink any new manager like we might have had in the past. Their application is there.
Well the Athletic reported that the players and coaching staff begged him not to go toe to toe with City in the final and play a more counter attacking system. Safe to say if he would have gotten his way we would have got mauled.
it’s true. i’m jason wilcox.
Made me laugh 
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ootball-news/we-wont-bailing-him-out-30099888
I know that people don't love Luckhurst but if this stuff about players is true then.....feck me, good luck to Amorim.
I know that people don't love Luckhurst but if this stuff about players is true then.....feck me, good luck to Amorim.
Jesus Christ. By that logic, it's only fair to say that anything that went bad under him was also not because of his managerial skills. Just a lot that went against us which led him to have us in 14th this season and finished 8th last season.
I also will cox.
Always take what he says with a massive pinch of salt. This man was tweeting that we were looking at Solskjaer coming back before Ornstein dropped his tweet. He has almost no sources at the club now. I remember him on some podcast or other talking bitterly how 'the club now briefs their favourites'.
Personally waiting for The Athletic pieces.
Application and actual availability during regular season shows how much application is sometimes worth. We have players who are not for the task for multiple, individual reasons. I'm actually poised to see consecutive matches where players are not displaying their problems and looking more like a unit, without Jonny Evans bailing them out, every 3 games.
I believe in new manager effect, it can be done immediately, but happens to be, some of our intense players (Malacia, Mount, Shaw) are simply unavailable, so I also have doubts for this season.
Proving themselves under new guy should still be priority for them. Amorim is highly energetic guy, but he's not a miracle worker, he'll need numbers on specific positions to play his optimal tactic from beginning. He'll demand more intensity than Ten Hag, in order to get something more than current form, and I can only hope, he won't be disappointed.
Erik was dead man walking, but they really wanted to wait until the end of the season, so just curious - would they have sacked him if he drew or won West Ham game? Because we only lost to West Ham because of a non-penalty penalty, and if Dalot was not a moron, we should have won it 0-1.
so, did Michael Oliver and Dalot sack Erik? Like, kinda?
so, did Michael Oliver and Dalot sack Erik? Like, kinda?
So glad that the excuses have finally ran out. You can’t hide behind excuses for so long
I can relate to this. Im endeared to Ruud more than I ever was to Solskjaer as a player. Whatever happens I’m sure his legacy will remain intact, much like it has overall with Solskjaer. RVN might only be in charge for the shorterm