Last season wasnt a lull?
Come off it, hes had more than enough time to turn it around. He was lucky to get a 2nd chance with the start of this seasoin
Ten Hag sacked | Ruud appointed Interim Manager
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Last season wasnt a lull?
Come off it, hes had more than enough time to turn it around. He was lucky to get a 2nd chance with the start of this seasoin
All the available evidence suggests he really isn’t
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt based on their executive and player recruitment. I think the media has had a big hand to play in trying to make them look worse than the reality. I don't think there was anything wrong in shopping around for a manager whilst he was still in the job at the end of the season. Other clubs have done it, and even had replacements sitting in the stands, but with United, we are always held to an unmeasurable moral standard. Van Nistelrooy was also sold as a big appointment, we made a note to replacing his coaching team. We also didn't extend his contract. Their decision seemed to be to buy time to get people in place, whilst also getting the fans onboard with the new regime. I don't think that they planned for him to fail, but in their minds, in was a no-lose situation. If ETH ended up succeeding, they would look like geniuses and if he ended up failing, then fans would not be unhappy at his sacking.
At this moment, it feels like they took too long to fire him this season. However, given time, I think that we'll come to realize that there's very little difference between early October and late October. If they had done this earlier, there's a good chance that media members would have still been talking about us not giving him time to start the season, blaming individual players and calling INEOS incompetent for not seeing out their plan to keep him or even being opportunistic. However, with the additional 2 or 3 weeks that they added to his tenure, there is no one in doubt that this was the only move that we should make. The only grievance is from a few fans unhappy that we didn't do it sooner ( me included). If you're INEOS, wanting time, support and space to get things right, optically this may have been the best solution. They essentially gave Ten Hag enough rope to prove he's not the man for the job, with no excuses or media sympathy to mask the reality that this was a poor manager. We've sacked managers before, but its no surprise that this sacking has less media discussion on our players than any we've had in the past, no one feels sorry for him.
We haven't committed enough, I needed to see more. 7 points off fourth, wins against Palace and West Ham bring in 6. Such are the margins.
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Except it’s impossible to separate the managerial appointments from the decision makers above the manager, because it’s them that’s made a series of poor managerial appointments, among many other poor decisions. It’s one of their most notable failings, along with our disastrous transfer dealings.
Jeez, are people really criticising his sacking?
He was an average manager well out of his depth who consistently hit new lows. What more evidence do you want?
He was an average manager well out of his depth who consistently hit new lows. What more evidence do you want?
I think it's more the fact that we still don't seem to have a proper plan in place after it..it's hard to get optimistic when every sacking since SAF hardly led to a ton of reasons to be optimistic.
Athletic are reporting that we are willing to pay the 10m release fee for Amorim.
Edit - Ornstein is reporting this, alongside Adam Crafton.
Edit - Ornstein is reporting this, alongside Adam Crafton.
Well mate, say hello to our new overlord Amorim.
Great news, should have been sacked in the summer. I hope the club reflects on the blunder of keeping him on and listening to fans.
People outraged that a poorly performing manager got sacked is so bizarre. This is football and this is what happens. He deserved to go and deserved to go ages ago.
Yeah just saw that..not sure whether to be impressed with the speed if true or be concerned we re again again going with a young up and comer more than an established household name.
Sometimes the club isn’t the right fit. Ten Hag might be a good manager but he doesn’t have the experience at this level to succeed. Same for Emery, he always seems to do well at clubs who want to be successful, not clubs that demand to be successful.
Who gives a shit?This is really it, isn't it. Arteta hasn't won s*** for hardware, yet...but is anyone going to say ten Hag is a better coach and more successful? Not in this or any other universe. The product on the field is crap and has been for far too long. There's been no signs of improvement and, to be fair, they've gotten objectively worse. No one is afraid to play the mighty Manchester United any more. This should've been dealt with in the summer before another wasted transfer window.
I think we're just trying everyone until one eventually works.... this looks like an impossible job.
If we get Amorim we'll probably go for Gyokeres in January to help with our goal shortage
I'm getting David Moyes vibes when you describe him like that
So the solution is to stick with a manager performing absolutely horrendously?
Sound logic.
We lost. He was 14th. He doesnt get to put us in the relegation places before he goes
Calling us the new Watford is extreme hyperbole, considering we've sacked fewer managers since 2013 than almost every other club in the top European leagues
ETH was 51 when we appointed him. Amorim is 39(!!!) (not factorial).
Good god the delusion.
This has got to be trolling. He’s literally bottom of the list of every metric post Fergie
Said it better than I did, mate.
At this point I just assume many that are saying this basically pay 0 attention to football outside of what goes on at Old Trafford and maybe an occassional super sunday game.
He's the one I feel the fecking least for. Not a shred of likeability or real accountability, the most supported manager post SAF we've had, and delivered historically bad results and performances for over a calendar year.
But I guess this strange sentiment is partly why that stupid poll changed so much post FA cup win
It's a sad day when the manager we re hiring now is younger than me. I guess it was bound to happen at some pt.
What sort of signs have you seen that suggest it was the wrong decision?
Sure, it's not just him. There are players that need to be shown the door too. But ETH has shown nothing to suggest he's worth persevering with.
Bayern is doing fine but I wouldn't feel too scared about that match being better, especially as performing in Bundesliga to Bayern-standards is easier than the BPL and whatever the current standards are or are supposed to be. But with any manager the current situation (and times in general) are very important. Slot really isn't a better manager (yet) than ETH even though it is very clear that it seems to work and match pretty well so far. The squad fits him, the CL and the BPL, and players like Salah (and Gravenberch for other reasons) probably saw this change at the right time.
While clearly Slot is now doing better than ETH in discernible results, in the Eredivisie ETH showed higher peaks. It cannot be ignored that Slot seems a much more composed and (actually) stoic (or calvinist?) personality than ETH is, which probably helps a lot with adapting to a new situation and not succumbing to stress like ETH seems more prone to. That might be an excellent argument for the statement that this makes Slot (much?) better, but until/unless we see ETH at another big club, it's harder to compare than it looks.
But their track records did show that so far the (BPL) resume of Slot shows better stuff than ETH, but keep in mind that the first half of the first season of ETH was promising to the level that the shaky second half was still enough to see most people around here "that's my manager"ing. Can't imagine players hating Slot, as he seems a good fit for most types of people, but football players (as many of us not-football players, and even non-masculine-environment-pressured) and their egos can always go against anyone for any dorky reason.
I have no idea how to judge ETH's mental health, but I would not be surprised to see him do an Emery somewhere, either. At least I hope to find out whether I'm anything close to the truth, but this United era seemed so unlike ETH that I really think some management will want to give it a shot now that he's probably cheaper.
And who knows, Mou, Poch and such have all fallen out of grace or their times to peak. Perhaps the ETH-way was not to last for much longer than 2015-2022.
It happens to all of us mate. Soon we’ll have managers younger than me. Give it ten years as I’m still a spring chicken relatively.
I'm still getting the hang of this, bear with me. It just looks like rinse and repeat for now.
He was two results away from keeping his job, that's my perspective.
Time will tell.
I definitely agree there are a couple of common factors in that dressing room that have outlived five? managers? I won't name drop though because the fan club will be out in force to defend.
Just sack Pat.
2 results he didnt get. We lost. So he doesnt get to keep his job
And "keeping his job" just means more bad performance. Why keep a manager who is lucky to have his job? He simply couldnt afford to do poorly this season after last season's mess and he managed to make twice as much mess instead. 8th was poor, 14th is insulting
You were saying?
I thought you were not going to sack him regardless of the shit results.
The thing is it has come way too late yet again. I think that has been one of the problems with your team, sticking way too long with underperforming managers and players. This should had happened one year ago, so it all just amounts to a waste of time and resources. Nevertheless it was the right thing to do.
The thing is it has come way too late yet again. I think that has been one of the problems with your team, sticking way too long with underperforming managers and players. This should had happened one year ago, so it all just amounts to a waste of time and resources. Nevertheless it was the right thing to do.
Such are the margins.
Not necessarily.
Because he's not just lucky, he has two trophies and a top 4 in two seasons.
I was glass half full, you were the opposite it seems. I can respect that.
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