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Just in case anyone missed it. I don't like Mount.
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Sad it ended like this. Was so hopeful. Thanks for the two cups Erik.
Now who next? (sigh)
Now who next? (sigh)
I think it's clear that the next manager won't have anything like the same sort of say over transfers as Ten Hag enjoyed. I seem to recall it being reported in the summer that Ineos wanting to change his title from 'manager' to 'head coach' (or similar) was the reason that a new contract couldn't be agreed. Instead they just triggered an extension in his existing deal. Obviously this is the right decision long-term, assuming the new upper management can get things right. The amount of money that's been wasted on shite just because Ten Hag had previously managed them is criminal.Probably already mentioned but it’s interesting in the statement how he is the outgoing ‘Manager’ whilst Ruud and the search is for a ‘head coach’
Yeah agreed and think it’s the right way to go - Liverpool also done the same with Slot.I think it's clear that the next manager won't have anything like the same sort of say over transfers as Ten Hag enjoyed. I seem to recall it being reported in the summer that Ineos wanting to change his title from 'manager' to 'head coach' (or similar) was the reason that a new contract couldn't be agreed. Instead they just triggered an extension in his existing deal. Obviously this is the right decision long-term, assuming the new upper management can get things right. The amount of money that's been wasted on shite just because Ten Hag had previously managed them is criminal.
If you want to be literal about the introduction of the term yes, but as you basically said the groundwork/underpinnings of it lie with Cruyff. Pep made it what it is today.
Was at least one league title that was there to be won by Arteta and he blew it. What we can hope for is winning more than one trophy in 5 years which isn't unrealistic lets be fair, sure even under Ten Hag United managed to win two trophies.In Arteta's defense, he has been competing with Pep and cheating City so it hasn't exactly been fair. If RvN can get us to play like Arsenal and compete for the title every year, I'll be more than happy. Not sure what more we can hope for. Being a regular title winner in current PL is unrealistic.
Ok. but your post was rubbish too... talking about roof being the highest priority...
I think it has to do with the fact that their squad wasn’t in a mess when he took over. They were and still are a mess financially but not when it comes to their squad. Same reason Slot found it easy to transition - squad is very good.
Same cannot be said about United. You not only need a good coach to coach this bleedy team but a good man manager. Someone to take the team by the scruff of the neck and tell them this is the way to play.
It really does show that things are not going to magically get better under Ineos when they couldn't see the obvious during the summer and get rid.
Instead, spent millions on signings for him, and then had to sack him before Christmas like I, and so many others knew would happen.
Ultimately, for me, I'd much rather have United play scintillating football that entertains me and compete for the title regularly than to win a League Cup title and an FA Cup while playing absolute shit, inconsistent football that bores and annoys me.Was at least one league title that was there to be won by Arteta and he blew it. What we can hope for is winning more than one trophy in 5 years which isn't unrealistic lets be fair, sure even under Ten Hag United managed to win two trophies.
I dont think anything will change.
Ruud was taking charge of training this season and we have played badly all season.
I dont see how sacking Ten Hag and not the coaching staff will change anything. Same old, expect Chelsea to score a minimum of 4 this weekend.
From what I've seen of INEOS, they are quite measured in their approach to things and not as optically inclined as the Glazers/Woodward are. I think they always planned to take their time with this appointment, which is why RVN was brought in in the first place. They've shown with transfers, executive appointments and the lack of leaks that they operate with swift discretion. What's interesting now is the type of manager they appoint. I actually believe they've come to some sort of understanding already of options available to them in regard to managers.
United have been shit and boring but a big six club should be winning more than one trophy in 5 seasons. Of what I've watched of Arsenal under their current manager especially against any decent team they haven't been scintillating or very entertaining.Ultimately, for me, I'd much rather have United play scintillating football that entertains me and compete for the title regularly than to win a League Cup title and an FA Cup while playing absolute shit, inconsistent football that bores and annoys me.
Getting rashford to pass ? Even garna will take a shot that pass to the strikermaybe new tactics will help.. such as passing to someone who's made a good run! I still think Hojilund can score a few with better service
Probably rules out a fair few candidates. Someone like Xavi would make sense in that regard.Probably already mentioned but it’s interesting in the statement how he is the outgoing ‘Manager’ whilst Ruud and the search is for a ‘head coach’
Great? That’s seriously pushing it.Out of all the sackings we've had once fergie, he's the one I feel most for. He's a good manager, maybe even great but he had to go. Both things can be true.
Out of all the sackings we've had once fergie, he's the one I feel most for. He's a good manager, maybe even great but he had to go. Both things can be true.
I agree that he isn't right for United. I think we need a manager who has spent some real time in a top league and has a very clear and tested vision of how he wants his team to play. By the same token, standards at United are at an all time low in some respects. Amongst the hierarchy, I think we have the clearest vision we've had in a long, long time, but on the pitch we just extended a manager that finished 8th in the League, and let him go multiple weeks in the bottom half before we took action. That means that the new manager coming in has a very low bar to clear. In some ways that means we have an opportunity to go after a bold, young coach because their initial "success" will be all relative to what came before. Despite the 14th place, the home fans had yet to really turn on ETH - which is frankly incredible - and of all the top jobs out there, I think United is the one with the most upside. Anyone getting a top six finish, will automatically be seen as a vast improvement. As much as United can ever be "low pressure", this is as low pressure as United will ever get.I agree and I have said that they have done extremely well but when I look at what is required for United, he isnt it.
Whilst he has done really well, being defensively solid is a requirement for a top tier coach.
I think McKenna can be a good coach, but that doesnt mean he should manage United based on what he has done at Ipswich.
At the moment, we need a manager with a big personality.
Seems like at this point what's needed is a competent midtable manager, so we could get comfortably into the top 10.I don't like the idea of aan interim coach. Reminds me Rangnick's era. You need a top manager.
Mancini is free.
Out of all the sackings we've had once fergie, he's the one I feel most for. He's a good manager, maybe even great but he had to go. Both things can be true.
Good talents, nothing more than that. Atleast not yet. They have to show a lot more to be considered special talents. As United fans, we have this habit of overrating our academy players by quite a lot.Additionally, brought special talents in Garnacho and Mainoo to the fore.
Indeed, that is my hope as well. That with this new hierarchy, including a sporting director, can mean that we look for/find managers that fit the system/player profiles we already have in place so we don't require a complete overhaul of players as well with each coaching change.LVG and Mourinho were past their best. Individually they were arguably worth a shot in the hopes they could recover their prime, but having them one after the other when they had such completely different playstyle was stupid. And as it turned out, both clearly couldn't get back to their best.
ETH was the first time we hired the right profile of manager. It didn't work, but so what. Plenty of clubs all over Europe hire 'the next big thing' and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't they just fire them and try the next one. That's what we now need to do, although unfortunately we wasted far more time than what other better-run clubs normally do. Going forward that hopefully changes as the new hierarchy settle into their positions.
LVG and Mourinho were past their best. Individually they were arguably worth a shot in the hopes they could recover their prime, but having them one after the other when they had such completely different playstyle was stupid. And as it turned out, both clearly couldn't get back to their best.
ETH was the first time we hired the right profile of manager. It didn't work, but so what. Plenty of clubs all over Europe hire 'the next big thing' and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't they just fire them and try the next one. That's what we now need to do, although unfortunately we wasted far more time than what other better-run clubs normally do. Going forward that hopefully changes as the new hierarchy settle into their positions.
ETH was a massive contradiction.'In good teams, coaches hold players accountable. In great teams, players hold players accountable.' -Roy Keane 2024
On far too many occasions under Eth, players were constantly selected after poor performances, there was no consequences.