And this is why he’s been sacked, albeit a year too late.
The league form has been fecking atrocious.
Ten Hag sacked | Ruud appointed Interim Manager
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The league form has been fecking atrocious.
Dalot and Michael Oliver showed him the door.
Which is fine, but I presume the next manager *may* keep him around. I do think at least Hojlund's movement has improved - not saying that's all down to Ruud but its notable considering how little game time he s had since coming off the injury. I dont get the impression Ruud is tied at the hip with EtH
Honestly no idea why we waited till now. Should have just done it in the international break. I’m relieved it’s over.
Surely the next bloke can’t be anywhere near a bad.
Surely the next bloke can’t be anywhere near a bad.
ever since the cup win over newcastle the footy has been pretty much dreadful. This was just a painfully obvious choice that shouldve been made over the summer. Instead the club let knee jerk fans cost us this season as well.
Let's hope Ineos learn their lesson over this. Put clauses into future contracts for sitting in mid-table.
Also, don't let fan pressure force your hand.
They've overseen us hitting rock bottom, now what?..
Also, don't let fan pressure force your hand.
They've overseen us hitting rock bottom, now what?..
Most of our fanbase needs the Good Will Hunting treatment, but instead of being told "it's not your fault", the therapist needs to endlessly repeat "all football clubs sack underperforming managers".
We keep thinking this and yet...
Well at last they have made the inevitable decision. Albeit far too late.
This is hardly the most promising start by the ineos leadership team. Rather difficult to see how they could have handled it any worse.
Dithering during the summer could be put down to fact that they were still very new to the job or not yet set up. So I am prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt in just extending the manager contract.
I don't have a problem with appointing RVN and it is down to him now to persuade them that he is the right person to take the club back to the top.
So I wish him all the very best.
He has taken on easily the most difficult job in world sport, in my opinion.
This is hardly the most promising start by the ineos leadership team. Rather difficult to see how they could have handled it any worse.
Dithering during the summer could be put down to fact that they were still very new to the job or not yet set up. So I am prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt in just extending the manager contract.
I don't have a problem with appointing RVN and it is down to him now to persuade them that he is the right person to take the club back to the top.
So I wish him all the very best.
He has taken on easily the most difficult job in world sport, in my opinion.
Nice
But the fans actually do have a bit of responsibility for the shitshow we are
Make up your mind what exactly is your point, then, because these players will eat Ruud on breakfast if he'll try demand more.
End of an era. He had to go but I have to thank him for getting rid of Ronaldo and Sancho, two of the biggest bellends we have had at the club recently.
The players lack quality, but I see little evidence that they didn't follow ETH's incoherent tactics and gameplan up until the end.
Players having to run too much in training last season and being stiff the next day, according to that.
It's difficult to sift through what is true, but that's an interesting article that I definitely didn't use a paywall filter to access.
thats about the only thing he’ll bring as a manager. A good bounce that’ll last for a few weeks. As the season’s pretty young still, I want us to get a proper interim manager and not settle for Ruud till the end of the season
Hopefully they have someone lined up - I would love to not have RvN failing as an (interim) manager.
I’m happy I can potentially enjoy football again.
I'm not sure how that relates to my post. My point is that our fans need it drilled into their heads that sacking managers is a completely normal thing that all football clubs do.
Penny pinching
Would like to earmark some comments here and revisit this when the merry-go-round begins again.
Still, happy w/ this decision. Long time coming.
Still, happy w/ this decision. Long time coming.
If I may be allowed a quick whinge, this sacking should have happened the week after the FA Cup win. What has happened this season was predictable and many of us actually predicted it.
The way forward is for another thread, but my feeling now is a combination of anger and relief.
The way forward is for another thread, but my feeling now is a combination of anger and relief.
Yea that is quite right. A succession of capable managers have walked in and been kicked out since Sir Alex.
And I keep hoping that this time we have got it right, only to be disappointed like the rest of us.
Yet other clubs have made a much better job of recruiting the right person.
The level of support this guy received at United is kinda mental
It's about time. Thank fecking god this is over, what a nightmare.
Oh some of these players lack more than just quality. They'll smell blood, and they'll exploit it. Ole was perfect example. Manager is to blame, sure. You'll see how everyone will throw stones at Ruud or next appointment, perhaps sooner than later.
I wonder if next appointment will even sniff the silverware, even league cup for that matter.
Yeah and we’re the only club that do that kind of thing to failing managers
Finally. Not gonna miss him, hopefully the new manager can be picked well.
You’re not alone.
Not this again. It's been done to death.
Others might do the same thing to you.....
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It will be done to death, again. The club running in circles. You'll be throwing rocks at next appointment very soon.
Finally, now can we finally kick start the season?
It was kept very quiet which is an improvement from previous sackings, was obvious it should have happened in the summer and that keeping him beyond the international break was a waste of but at least it hasn’t gone on any longer.
ETH did well to win two trophies but post Carabao Cup Final he has been pathetic in the league and Europe.
Be interesting to see what happens now, I don’t think Nagelsman will be interested and Amorim is likely to wait for City so could be between Xavi and Frank.
ETH did well to win two trophies but post Carabao Cup Final he has been pathetic in the league and Europe.
Be interesting to see what happens now, I don’t think Nagelsman will be interested and Amorim is likely to wait for City so could be between Xavi and Frank.
Maybe the manager is just shit mate? Last I saw ‘these players’ were pretty much signed by the manager who they got sacked.
Maybe the next manager will be shite too ? I'm guessing the next after him is shite, too.
For those saying he doesn't have a distinct style of play, he actually does. Just take a look at our U-18s matches since last season, and you'll see what it looks like when it works. It's not far off from what he attempts with the first team—while defensively not that solid, it's aggressive, high-pressing football.
His downfall was his inability to consistently implement his ideas and get the players to fully buy in. There were games where we executed the plan well but failed to score, leading to increased pressure on him which led to him revert to a more pragmatic style of football.
Regarding the players he brought in, most of them are decent signings who shouldn't be immediate deadweights for the next manager.
- Hojlund: A young striker with potential. While not the most technically refined, he's arguably our best finisher at the moment and has shown glimpses of effective hold-up play.
- Zirkzee: Lacks the intensity required for the league but is a well-rounded player with good link-up ability. If the next manager can help him raise his intensity, he'll be fine.
- Mount: Unfortunately, he's been plagued by injuries. While ETH takes the blame for targeting him, the £55m fee and his ongoing fitness issues aren't entirely on him. Unless Mount miraculously overcomes his injury issues, he's a failed signing at this point.
- Antony: It's clear he hasn't worked out, and ETH should be accountable for targeting him. The £80m transfer fee was excessive, especially when he was reportedly available for around £40m earlier in the same window which the old structure should take the blame. With the new structure in place, we hopefully avoid this kind of overspending in the future. If he was bought for that £40m we would have just said that he didn't work out and moved on.
- Malacia: A cheap backup left-back who did his job when fit. It's hard to blame ETH for a botched surgery that has kept Malacia sidelined for 18 months.
- Eriksen: A free signing meant to add creativity to the midfield. He’s been more than adequate and was always likely to be phased out in a couple of years due to his age.
- Casemiro: While not necessarily a terrible player, the transfer fee was excessive, and it always felt like a panic buy after missing out on FDJ and funnily enough the only player I think was not an ETH signing as he was a completely different profile of midfielder to FDJ. We barely got one good season out of him before he was done.
- De Ligt: A solid signing at a good age who has performed well so far.
- Martinez: Despite criticism for his height( I was guilty of this too when he was signed) and not fitting some people's ideal profile for a center-back, he's been generally reliable. He had a rough start this season but has improved in recent games.
- Mazraoui: An improvement over AWB in my view. If he stays fit, he's a valuable player for any manager.
- Onana: Struggled in the first half of last season, especially in the Champions League, where he made costly mistakes in nearly every game. For me, he takes the most blame for that CL exit. However, he recovered and has arguably been our best player this season.
- Bayindir: A cheap backup goalkeeper who, like most backup GKs, rarely sees playing time unless the first-choice keeper is injured.
- Ugarte: A very ball-winner probably even world class at it, though not a playmaker, which may have led to some unrealistic expectations from him.
- Yoro: Hasn’t played a game for us yet, so it's too early to judge his success or failure.
Overall, the signings have generally been decent in my view. No club has a 100% success rate with transfers anyways.
His downfall was his inability to consistently implement his ideas and get the players to fully buy in. There were games where we executed the plan well but failed to score, leading to increased pressure on him which led to him revert to a more pragmatic style of football.
Regarding the players he brought in, most of them are decent signings who shouldn't be immediate deadweights for the next manager.
- Hojlund: A young striker with potential. While not the most technically refined, he's arguably our best finisher at the moment and has shown glimpses of effective hold-up play.
- Zirkzee: Lacks the intensity required for the league but is a well-rounded player with good link-up ability. If the next manager can help him raise his intensity, he'll be fine.
- Mount: Unfortunately, he's been plagued by injuries. While ETH takes the blame for targeting him, the £55m fee and his ongoing fitness issues aren't entirely on him. Unless Mount miraculously overcomes his injury issues, he's a failed signing at this point.
- Antony: It's clear he hasn't worked out, and ETH should be accountable for targeting him. The £80m transfer fee was excessive, especially when he was reportedly available for around £40m earlier in the same window which the old structure should take the blame. With the new structure in place, we hopefully avoid this kind of overspending in the future. If he was bought for that £40m we would have just said that he didn't work out and moved on.
- Malacia: A cheap backup left-back who did his job when fit. It's hard to blame ETH for a botched surgery that has kept Malacia sidelined for 18 months.
- Eriksen: A free signing meant to add creativity to the midfield. He’s been more than adequate and was always likely to be phased out in a couple of years due to his age.
- Casemiro: While not necessarily a terrible player, the transfer fee was excessive, and it always felt like a panic buy after missing out on FDJ and funnily enough the only player I think was not an ETH signing as he was a completely different profile of midfielder to FDJ. We barely got one good season out of him before he was done.
- De Ligt: A solid signing at a good age who has performed well so far.
- Martinez: Despite criticism for his height( I was guilty of this too when he was signed) and not fitting some people's ideal profile for a center-back, he's been generally reliable. He had a rough start this season but has improved in recent games.
- Mazraoui: An improvement over AWB in my view. If he stays fit, he's a valuable player for any manager.
- Onana: Struggled in the first half of last season, especially in the Champions League, where he made costly mistakes in nearly every game. For me, he takes the most blame for that CL exit. However, he recovered and has arguably been our best player this season.
- Bayindir: A cheap backup goalkeeper who, like most backup GKs, rarely sees playing time unless the first-choice keeper is injured.
- Ugarte: A very ball-winner probably even world class at it, though not a playmaker, which may have led to some unrealistic expectations from him.
- Yoro: Hasn’t played a game for us yet, so it's too early to judge his success or failure.
Overall, the signings have generally been decent in my view. No club has a 100% success rate with transfers anyways.
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