SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
- Thread starter Don't Kill Bill
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Italy looks really bad. 
We have five confirmed cases in Poland but there’ll be dozens more once people start returning for Easter holidays. We have so many emigrants in the infected areas that it is bound to get out of control.
I fear the impact on health system will probably be more significant than the amount of lives it’s going to take directly. We have already seen the only ER in the area closed because there had been a patient with suspected coronavirus inside, if you had happened to have heart attack during that window (which was about 3-4 hours) then tough luck you are dead. Masks and hand sanitizers are either completely out of stock or price 400% higher than before the outbreak. Those small things are going to matter
I fear the impact on health system will probably be more significant than the amount of lives it’s going to take directly. We have already seen the only ER in the area closed because there had been a patient with suspected coronavirus inside, if you had happened to have heart attack during that window (which was about 3-4 hours) then tough luck you are dead. Masks and hand sanitizers are either completely out of stock or price 400% higher than before the outbreak. Those small things are going to matter
There is a weird trend of people being happy that this virus is mainly killing older/weaker people. Losing anyone is a tragedy in itself and death is the most sure thing in this life but still, I can never feel relieved about this category of people being the weakest to fight the virus.
Its really nit capitalism. It is just stupidity.
Italy looks really bad.
I have not been outside yet this morning but it looks like not much has changed other than we are not allowed to leave the region.
The UK seems to be keeping a lid on it but the pace of the rise in cases in Germany and France matches what Italy went through about a week ago, possibly even faster, and they haven't even attempted to stop it.
16 million people
Do we think this is where the U.K. is headed? And other EU countries?
Do we think this is where the U.K. is headed? And other EU countries?
Hopefully they quarantine Burnley.
16 million people
Do we think this is where the U.K. is headed? And other EU countries?
I think by the time it reaches this level in the UK there will be no point in quarantine as it will be everywhere.
Maybe Germany will do similar, it's only happened in Italy because it's coming from mainly in one area.
It's weird isn't it? Maybe it's just a Western thing, though.
What has everyone's workplaces done so far?
We've had hand gel left all over the place on every floor and comms sent out reminding people to wash hands etc. We've trialled large teams all working from home at the same time, to see what problems we face. That's about it so far.
I'm due down in London for 3 days next week too. I wasnt worried about it at first but I'm becoming a bit concerned about going now. Though im not sure if im just getting caught up in the ramped up hysteria...
We've had hand gel left all over the place on every floor and comms sent out reminding people to wash hands etc. We've trialled large teams all working from home at the same time, to see what problems we face. That's about it so far.
I'm due down in London for 3 days next week too. I wasnt worried about it at first but I'm becoming a bit concerned about going now. Though im not sure if im just getting caught up in the ramped up hysteria...
Its utterly shocking. Shows how desensitised most people are.
I just accidentally ordered something that's getting shipped from China...
Reading Twitter responses on this topic I'm staying to suspect that there's a whole lot of people that can't understand percentages and missed the cognitive development to project future states.
Coincidentally a lot of these seem to be brexiteers
Coincidentally a lot of these seem to be brexiteers
Yeah, this has left me frustrated. Not least because I’m in the ‘vulnerable, pre-existing condition’ category.
People are treating it as if it’s just collateral damage. Some look at the reported death rate and shrug their shoulders, without acknowledging the bigger picture.
You don’t include yourself in those four, right? That would be the most inaccurate claim in the whole thread.
Again, I haven't made up facts. And, no I wasn't including myself. I'm talking about a couple of our Italian residents.
Right now it seems that Germany is waiting until it's too late. We are coming close to 1000 (probably surpassing that today) and people are still like "it's just a flu".
It's easy for some people to excuse potential deaths if it's involving people they don't know. To be honest the media make it easy for others to be cold because these incidents are always reported as if the people are just a statistic. There's a lot of kids where I work that will be in a lot of danger if it spreads through here which is why my workplace are in full blown prevent mode. Keyboards, door handles, lift buttons, etc cleaned twice a day. Touchscreens have wipes beside them. The first sign of it becoming an issue they're not waiting for the order from higher powers - they're just shutting the place down and sending everyone home.
Careful now, you’re veering towards Trump style advice
feck all apart from a global message on washing hands. Self isolation is also mandatory if you have similar symptoms or recently visited one of the hotspots (though shockingly I don't think they've updated the list to include Italy yet)
We're a 24/7 manufacturing site though, so the biggest portion of the workforce need to be in for things to happen. Even the engineers (like myself) can't really function if we're not there - even if our jobs are technically desk based.
Again, I never said you had.
Just needed to be sure you weren’t labelling yourself as one of four oracles on the global situation.
The Boris message of hand washing falls apart as it’s not expanded to;
“Wash your hands. Every single time you touch anything, before touching anything else”
Which is obviously impossible for anyone not just sat on their ass in the House of Commons.
Yeah, it's really weird seeing how casual people talk about the elderly dying. No respect whatsoever.
Nope. Although - I've shared information directly from those who were in China when this broke out. In fact, if you go back and read some of my posts, I spoke about how my colleagues parents are in Shanghai and how the situation has been quite calm since the lock down.
Although almost impossible, if the entirety of the UK took upon the advice, then the spread could easily be controlled - sneeze/cough into a tissue, isolate at the first sign of a fever, keep your hands away from your face etc. Most of my office of around 200-300 seem to be taking this seriously. We've sanitiser installed around the the place and I see more people washing their hands more thoroughly and longer.
I agree, its a difficult conversation to have with family when a loved one gets ill. With older people, there is superadded difficulty in treating sepsis if there is delirium in the picture which often involves depriving liberty to treat which puts an enormous strain on families. Haven't even come to the difficult conversations of resuscitation and ceiling of care.
What I can say though is there is general advice regarding this virus making immunocompromised and frail/elderly/patients with comorbidities more ill is based on calming general population. We have to triage appropriately. The panic buying is one thing but there are people actively going to GP practices as they are worried about the symptoms in addition to ignoring 111 advice because they want "treatment" and aren't happy with the conservative management approach due to paranoia. So from a public messaging point of view, pointing out that most people will be fine isn't to callously disregard those that won't be but to offer perspective so that we can make appropriate use of resources.
I think it's helplessness, and preparation, as much as callousness. Parents are being advised that it's less hazardous to their kids than to their parents/grandparents. Working age adults are being told that work might need to be organised differently, but that it continues.
Those concepts do prepare people for behavioural changes, though some of those changes are going to be hard to take and may have other consequences. Do you still go and see family in care homes? Do you still rely on the grandparents as child minders? Hopefully, people will also themselves the question - should I go to work or the gym or the match, even though I've got a bit of a "probably nothing" cough.
For the oldies, the question it asks us, is are we going to stay in our own houses and avoid other people for the next week, month, year? If not then what gambles are we willing to take? Family visits? Holidays? Trips to the shops or the library or the "socially prescribed" coffee morning chat group or health walk?
We need to hear it before we prepare ourselves to handle it. Some behavioural changes have a huge impact on us emotionally and psychologically as well as physically and economically. My first big decision this week is do I go and watch the derby today and even that's a tough choice.
This is written for medics but useful for anybody to have a read. Amalgamation with evidence-based information on everything we know about COVID-19 from a clinical perspective
https://emcrit.org/ibcc/covid19/
In addition this is the visual flowchart depicting advice to UK GPs with regards of what to do if patient suspected to have covid19 so if anyone here wants to read this is what to expect
https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/suppl/2020/03/05/bmj.m800.DC1/razm055290.ww1.pdf
https://emcrit.org/ibcc/covid19/
In addition this is the visual flowchart depicting advice to UK GPs with regards of what to do if patient suspected to have covid19 so if anyone here wants to read this is what to expect
https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/suppl/2020/03/05/bmj.m800.DC1/razm055290.ww1.pdf
I've noticed that the YouTube videos of that doctor regularly get posted here but apparently he's wrong on certain stuff. There are no 2 strains as of today.
This is problem here in a nutshell.
Here in a ni an amateur footballer was tested. The results take a few days. In the meantime he played for his local football team in an away match. They travel by car with 3 other people. After the game he stays in the clubhouse and has a few drinks, there is a darts competition so its quite full.
That night the go to one of the biggest abd busiests nightclubs in the country (Kelly's portrush).
The results come back and he is positive... how many people has he infected since his test?
We dont need to mass panic but for feck sake self quarantine if you might have it.
Hes a young fit lad and will likely be perfectly fine but he could easily be responsible for the deaths of elderly people who will come in contact with unknown transmitters because of his selfishness.
People like that should be charged the same way people with known stds still have unprotected sex.
The story has gone viral on fb in northern ireland here
Here in a ni an amateur footballer was tested. The results take a few days. In the meantime he played for his local football team in an away match. They travel by car with 3 other people. After the game he stays in the clubhouse and has a few drinks, there is a darts competition so its quite full.
That night the go to one of the biggest abd busiests nightclubs in the country (Kelly's portrush).
The results come back and he is positive... how many people has he infected since his test?
We dont need to mass panic but for feck sake self quarantine if you might have it.
Hes a young fit lad and will likely be perfectly fine but he could easily be responsible for the deaths of elderly people who will come in contact with unknown transmitters because of his selfishness.
People like that should be charged the same way people with known stds still have unprotected sex.
The story has gone viral on fb in northern ireland here
I think for all of us, we have to think if something/somewhere we might normally have gone to can be missed out. Yes, it can get boring staying at home, but it's not the end of the world. It's not as if we don't have TV/internet/books/games etc.
The 2 strains thing came from a study by Chinese scientists. It has been heavily criticised by other scientists and some have called for the study to be retracted.
That’s a danger in itself. it’s ruined game of thrones for me. In my self isolation I started reading the books. Dany is 13 in the books! She is a hugely attractive adult woman in the series. Totally ruined it for me.
16 million people
Do we think this is where the U.K. is headed? And other EU countries?
On the epidemic preparedness index Italy are 35/195 of countries with a score of 56/100. The UK is 2/195 with 77.9/100. Italy is more comparable with Eastern European states than even other Southern European states apart from Greece which they are one place lower than. They’re not really comparable to Western European nations according to the index in having the infrastructure to cope. South Korea would be more useful to look at as they’re in the highest bracket of preparedness at 9/195 and a score of 70.
https://www.ghsindex.org/
Woah there! That's low.
I haven't offered any advice though. Although my advice would be to take care, be vigilant and not let it take over your whole life. Spending all day constantly reading, worrying or posting about it in here isn't healthy. You can have plenty of time to do that if you get isolated and quarantined.
My advice. Try to enjoy today's game and cheer on our boys!