SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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The media are just being idiots, trying to grill on every minutia which often isn't relevant. Window cleaners in my area have been coming to clean street windows from outside all week. Obviously they aren't allowed inside the home just yet because Borris has generally only eased external, public spaces.

In events window cleaners were to only able to clean the external windows (I didn't even know window cleaners offer an internal option, thought that's up to the occupant), they just charge their price accordingly. A redundant shit question from the media that can be better used elsewhere.
 
golden_blunder said:
Golf courses could open easily imho if they follow something like this;

Club house closed
Only 4 members allowed on the course at one time and they have to be following physical distancing
Have a timetable online where you can book an hour in advance so that everyone doesn’t turn up at once. When the booking slots are full then you can’t go
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It's like that in Belgium since last week. I went on Tuesday without any problems, they only let you in on your own timeslot and it's 15-20mins apart. Just have to make sure you're not stuck behind slow players since you're not allowed to pass people.

If you only use your own equipment (and you're allowed in only in pairs), it's just as safe as running or cycling together.
 
Smores said:
In England it has from wednesday, they had a late call last night to confirm it apparently. Can only play within your household though.

Still unclear about driving ranges, hard to socially distance at mine really.
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You seem to be correct but I think further detail will emerge at the 2pm announcement today.
I really don't see how playing golf is a risk if you a) keep 2m apart (like you do on walk with family of friends), b) don't touch the flag and c) Don't touch the rakes and take a drop.

Obviously the club houses should remain closed but otherwise they should open the courses.
 
VP89 said:
The media are just being idiots, trying to grill on every minutia which often isn't relevant. Window cleaners in my area have been coming to clean street windows from outside all week. Obviously they aren't allowed inside the home just yet because Borris has generally only eased external, public spaces.

In events window cleaners were to only able to clean the external windows (I didn't even know window cleaners offer an internal option, thought that's up to the occupant), they just charge their price accordingly. A redundant shit question from the media that can be better used elsewhere.
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Agreed
 
RobinLFC said:
It's like that in Belgium since last week. I went on Tuesday without any problems, they only let you in on your own timeslot and it's 15-20mins apart. Just have to make sure you're not stuck behind slow players since you're not allowed to pass people.

If you only use your own equipment (and you're allowed in only in pairs), it's just as safe as running or cycling together.
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Good to see a bit of common sense in action
 
I've seen a lot of people cite the Swedish model when they try to say the lockdowns aren't justified but surely this debunks that?

 
Massive Spanner said:
I dunno and the guy who tweeted that didn't say he did.
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Fair enough, I'm just cautious with a bandwagon criticism for the sake of it by sections of the media and other people, because they know it's an easy click.
 
Massive Spanner said:
Definitely, though I do think it's worth considering those with mental health issues who are currently locked up. Or those with recurring illnesses like depression that can be triggered from circumstances like this. I have a few friends who are bipolar who I know are struggling hugely being so confined right now.

In Ireland we've also basically neglected/cancelled a shit-tonne of other medical appointments as a result of this, what will the repercussions be of that? It was announced this morning that no cervical or breast cancer screenings have been done since this began. Our hospitals are actually the emptiest they've been in years.

People also don't like to hear anything to do with economics but our unemployment is at 30% right now, how many businesses will never reopen. How many will lose their jobs and their aspiring careers fecked? This will likely be worse than the 08 recession.

I guess it's hard to find middle ground because we've largely handled it much better than the UK (not difficult) and therefore we never got that surge that was predicted, we never saw hospitals overwhelmed or had stories of health workers suffering mentally. Which is great, and the lockdown as a result was 100% worth it. But now we also have a roadmap that doesn't see businesses like hairdressers open til July, and hospitality til late August. People still can't go further than 5k from their home til June. I do think that's crazy, personally.

I hope some sort of middle ground is found with COVID-19 going forward, I guess we'll see how things go in mainland Europe, because I do think it's be disastrous for people if these lockdowns continue.
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I'm not saying it isn't hard especially for those with mental health and other health issues. People losing their jobs is incredibly stressful especially when it endangers your accommodation and basic needs. And the economic impact in the medium term will be huge. I don't underestimate any of those things. But if you relax restrictions before you are largely in control of the virus the economic and human impact will be huge and far far larger than if you lock down until you have control because second and third wave infections and locks-downs will be far more destructive to the economy.

My wife and I have secure well paid jobs - she is probably going to be made redundant but she is highly employable and will get a decent payout - so I know we are privileged with a fair easy lock-down existence. But I still don't have sympathy for people who are prepared to throw old people under the bus because they are a bit bored of the lock-down.
 
VP89 said:
The media are just being idiots, trying to grill on every minutia which often isn't relevant. Window cleaners in my area have been coming to clean street windows from outside all week. Obviously they aren't allowed inside the home just yet because Borris has generally only eased external, public spaces.

In events window cleaners were to only able to clean the external windows (I didn't even know window cleaners offer an internal option, thought that's up to the occupant), they just charge their price accordingly. A redundant shit question from the media that can be better used elsewhere.
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The window cleaners themselves may not be relevant but his response to the question certainly is. To say that haven’t thought of it is ridiculous. What else have they not thought of and why?
 
Massive Spanner said:
I've seen a lot of people cite the Swedish model when they try to say the lockdowns aren't justified but surely this debunks that?

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Sweden have decided that their economy is more important that the lives of their senior citizens. Britain has decided to leave an incompetent in charge.
 
acnumber9 said:
The window cleaners themselves may not be relevant but his response to the question certainly is. To say that haven’t thought of it is ridiculous. What else have they not thought of and why?
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It's a bad answer when put on the spot, but it's clearly not an accurate one. The secretary of state won't be able to answer any and every specific question when quizzed on the spot but it's clear there would have been thorough guidance and thought put into the roadmap. As much as they can in such a short time, anyway. It's the public/media themselves who have been demanding a roadmap in the first place.
 
TheGame said:
No 10 has now contradicted this again saying its 1 person outside the household. Absolute shower.
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So 1 person can only meet 1 other person from a different household outside :lol:

So many people have been broadly ignoring this for weeks.
 
Massive Spanner said:
I've seen a lot of people cite the Swedish model when they try to say the lockdowns aren't justified but surely this debunks that?

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France, Italy and Spain are a week or two ahead of us. But we should be down to those numbers fairly soon.
 
United Hobbit said:
Agree I'm worried about this, especially as there isn't a union and even during lockdown they've said they're desperate to get people back
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Well now would probably be a good time to organise and get your collegues to join one. Union membership has only been increasing throughout this, if my union is anything to go by.
 
Adisa said:
This shouldn't really be here. It should be in the politics thread because these cnuts couldn't run a tap.
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What he actually said was you can essentially meet up with an unlimited number of people as long as you socially distance. "When you go outside...you can meet up with other people". He didn't say you can only meet up with both parents, or that you had to rotate when you meet people, despite the interviewer asking him about specific limits. He didn't seem to understand the guidelines in any detail.
 
Wibble said:
Sweden have decided that their economy is more important that the lives of their senior citizens. Britain has decided to leave an incompetent in charge.
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No they has not. We done a poor job shelding the elders, that we can all agree on, but to say we have chosen economy over the lives of our senior citizens is pretty out of order. The people who decide how we tackle this are not politicians or corporate businesses, but our public health agency.
 
BootsyCollins said:
No they has not. We done a poor job shelding the elders, that we can all agree on, but to say we have chosen economy over the lives of our senior citizens is pretty out of order. The people who decide how we tackle this are not politicians or corporate businesses, but our public health agency.
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If you had chosen the lives of your senior citizens over the economy you would have locked down and not had such a huge death rate. If that was the scientific advice, uninfluenced by economic concerns, then you need better scientists.
 
BootsyCollins said:
No they has not. We done a poor job shelding the elders, that we can all agree on, but to say we have chosen economy over the lives of our senior citizens is pretty out of order. The people who decide how we tackle this are not politicians or corporate businesses, but our public health agency.
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You haven't had proportionaly more elderly deaths than other countries. The only way to protect elderly is to keep all infections down. It is just an excuse from pompous Tegnell.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...e-with-virus-outbreaks?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

It really is amazing how so many elements of this outbreak feel like the environment striking back. First it hits transport (no flights, city centres pedestrianised) and now it’s looking like processed meat is in the firing line. Just waiting for some outbreaks in single use plastic factories and coal fired power stations.
 
Pagh Wraith said:
Saturday saw the lowest number of new infections (667) and lowest number of deaths (26) in a single day in Germany since late March. Let's hope the mass gatherings at the weekend won't cause those to pick up again.
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it’s almost certain that they will.
 
TheGame said:
No 10 has now contradicted this again saying its 1 person outside the household. Absolute shower.
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Yeah but if the 2 parents meet their son/daughter then they're only meeting one person? :lol: could try it that way.

Don't see the difference meeting 1 or 5 people tbh aslong as social distancing is adhered to.
 
The one parent/two parent clarification is insane. Coming up with completely irrational guidance just to make it seem as though No 10 wasn’t as confused as everyone else by BJ’s vague wiffling. Fecking bonkers. And to think that the UK is relying on these clowns to deal with the incredibly complex and detail heavy extrication of the UK from the EU...
 
This is approaching May government levels of a shitshow.
 
Wibble said:
If you had chosen the lives of your senior citizens over the economy you would have locked down and not had such a huge death rate. If that was the scientific advice, uninfluenced by economic concerns, then you need better scientists.
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I wont argue the bolded part because i have no idea how good they are. Maybe Sweden will fare way better when a second wave comes and other countries will not. Maybe there is no second wave or maybe we will live with this forever.
I still think its way to early to tell how anyone is doing.

But i will strongly argue against that Sweden put the economy over the lives of our senior citizens and that the proof is that we did not lock down. We do many things here to prevent this thing and many people are working their ass off to help. Its not like we are going around like everything is normal.
 
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massi83 said:
You haven't had proportionaly more elderly deaths than other countries. The only way to protect elderly is to keep all infections down. It is just an excuse from pompous Tegnell.
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But its not the economy that is behind the reason we do how we do. Thats the only thing i argue.
If Tegnell and the rest are doing a good job or not, i have no idea. Not now atleast.
 
How can they legitimately tell people they can only see one other person while at the same time telling non essential staff they can go and work with as many people as their workplace can fit?
 
BootsyCollins said:
I wont argue the bolded part because i have no idea how good they are. Maybe Sweden will fare way better when a second wave comes and other countries will not. Maybe there is no second wave or maybe we will live with this forever.
I still think its way to early to tell how anyone is doing.

But i will strongly argue that Sweden put the economy over the lives of our senior citizens and that the proof is that we did not lock down. We do many things here to prevent this thing and many people are working their ass off to help. Its not like we are going around like everything is normal.
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I’ve been thinking about this a bit recently. What are the long term prospects for countries like NZ and Aus that stop spread completely? If they effectively banish the virus from their countries that’s great news in the short term but if a vaccine takes several years (which is a definite possibility) then countries that have had a constant trickle of cases will likely be able to get back to a relatively normal way of life while “virus free” countries are completely shut off from the rest of the world, under the constant threat of another lockdown.

If it turns out that a safe/effective vaccine is NEVER going to happen (which is also possible) then they’re absolutely fecked. What would their strategy be then?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
If it turns out that a safe/effective vaccine is NEVER going to happen (which is also possible) then they’re absolutely fecked. What would their strategy be then?
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We had all have to go down the herd immunity route because I don't see another option if there's no vaccine.
 
Can't help but think the lack of clarity from the UK government is intentional, on some level at least. An attempt to please everyone and while shifting the blame?
 
fergies coat said:
Which maybe never? So let's stay indoors forever. The media doesn't help reporting the death rate everyday. Around 50 million people die around the world every year from various different causes. If it got reported everyday how many people died of cancer, or car crashes or any other type of disease everyday, everybody would be in hysterics.
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You cant catch cancer from hugging someone. Cancer doesn't grow exponentially.
 
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