SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

Quick recap on Boris and covid19:
(Copied from Facebook)

December 31st China alerts WHO to new virus.

January 23rd Study reveals a third of China’s patients require intensive care.

January 24th Boris Johnson misses first Cobra meeting.

January 29th Boris Johnson misses second Cobra meeting.

January 31st The NHS declares first ever ‘Level 4 critical incident’ Meanwhile, the government declines to join European scheme to source PPE.

February 5th Boris Johnson misses third Cobra meeting.

February 12th Boris Johnson misses fourth Cobra meeting. Exeter University published study warning Coronavirus could infect 45 million people in the UK if left unchallenged.

February 13th Boris Johnson misses conference call with European leaders.

February 14th Boris Johnson goes away on holiday. Aides are told keeps Johnson’s briefing notes short or he will not read them.

February 18th Johnson misses fifth cobra meeting.

February 26th Boris Johnson announces ‘Herd Immunity’ strategy, announcing some people will lose loved ones. Government document is leaked, predicting half a million Brits could die in ‘worse case scenario’

February 29th Boris Johnson retreats to his country manor. NHS warns of ‘PPE shortage nightmare’ Stockpiles have dwindled or expired after years of austerity cuts.

March 2nd Boris Johnson attends his first Cobra meeting, declining another opportunity to join European PPE scheme. Government’s own scientists say over half a million Brit’s could die if virus left unrestrained. Johnson tells country “We are very, very well prepared.”

March 3rd Scientists urge Government to advise public not to shake hands. Boris Johnson brags about shaking hands of Coronavirus patients.

March 4th Government stops providing daily updates on virus following a 70% spike in UK cases. They will later U-turn on this amid accusations they are withholding vital information.

March 5th Boris Johnson tells public to ‘wash their hands and business as usual’

March 7th Boris Johnson joins 82,000 people at Six Nations match.

March 9th After Ireland cancels St Patrick’s day parades, the government says there’s “No Rationale” for cancelling sporting events.

March 10th - 13th Cheltenham takes place, more than a quarter of a million people attend.

March 11th 3,000 Atletico Madrid fans fly to Liverpool.

March 12th Boris Johnson states banning events such as Cheltenham will have little effect. The Imperial College study finds the government’s plan is projected to kill half a million people.

March 13th The FA suspends the Premier League, citing an absence of Government guidance. Britain is invited to join European scheme for joint purchase of ventilators, and refuses. Boris Johnson lifts restrictions of those arriving from Coronavirus hot spots.

March 14th Government is still allowing mass gatherings, as Stereophonics play to 5,000 people in Cardiff.

March 16th Boris Johnson asks Britons not to go to pubs, but allows them to stay open. During a conference call, Johnson jokes that push to build new ventilators should be called ‘Operation Last Gasp’

March 19th Hospital patients with Coronavirus are returned to care homes in a bid to free up hospital space. What follows is a boom of virus cases in care homes.

March 20th The Government states that PPE shortage crisis is “Completely resolved” Less than two weeks later, the British Medical Association reports an acute shortage in PPE.

March 23rd UK goes into lockdown.

March 26th Boris Johnson is accused of putting ‘Brexit over Breathing’ by not joining EU ventilator scheme. The government then state they had not joined the scheme because they had ‘missed the email’

April 1st The Evening Standard publishes that just 0.17% of NHS staff have been tested for the virus.

April 3rd The UK death toll overtakes China.

April 5th 17.5 million Antibody tests, ordered by the government and described by Boris Johnson as a ‘game changer’ are found to be a failure.

April 7th Boris Johnson is moved to intensive care with Coronavirus.

April 16th Flights bring 15,000 people a day into the UK - without virus testing.

April 17th Health Secretary Matt Hancock says “I would love to be able to wave a magic wand and have PPE fall from the sky.” The UK has now missed four opportunities to join the EU’s PPE scheme.

April 21st The Government fails to reach its target of face masks for the NHS, as it is revealed manufactures offers of help were met with silence. Instead millions of pieces of PPE are being shipped from the UK to Europe.

April 23rd - 24th Government announces testing kits for 10 million key workers. Orders run out within minutes as only 5,000 are made available.

April 25th UK death toll from Coronavirus overtakes that of The Blitz.

April 30th Boris Johnson announces the UK has succeeded in avoiding a tragedy that had engulfed other parts of the world - At this point, The UK has the 3rd highest death toll in the world.

May 1st The Government announces it has reached its target of 100,000 tests - They haven’t conducted the tests, but posted the testing kits.

May 4th The number of NHS staff that have died from Coronavirus overtakes the number of British Military personnel that died during the Iraq War.

May 5th The UK death toll becomes the highest in Europe.

May 6th Boris Johnson announces the UK could start to lift lockdown restrictions by next week.
 
Separating innocent family, friends, lovers etc for 6 weeks is pretty barbaric.

:rolleyes:

Because it is. Separating Human beings from their lovers, friends and family is barbaric.

It's a punishment we reserve for people whose transgression is so serious they need to be sent to prison.

I'm not saying it hasn't be necessary, but I won't clamber onto my high horse and judge anyone who fails at social distancing.

:lol:

I’m sat comfortably on my massive high horse wearing my best suit of moral armour judging everyone who disregards the lockdown. They are making judgements that have a potentially fatal impact on others. Feck them.

But I believe that we've being asked to make an extraordinary sacrifice and I understand how and why people fall short.

No; we’ve been asked (albeit in a muddled way) to do something that will help save lives. 6 - 10 weeks i don’t believe that is a massive sacrifice by any standards.

I personally believe forced separation is barbaric, you may not. We have different opinions.

Taken in the context of the current situation, this forced separation as you call it is saving lives. It isn’t barbaric, it’s necessary.
 
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Last night's speech was a bit shambolic. Unfortunately, Boris isn't a PM for times when detail is essential, it's not his thing. I'm signed up to a Regional news alert service via our Town Hall, and the Italian love of bureaucratic detail has been exactly what's needed. Last week I received (amongst others) detailed briefings on such diverse things as rules for people who want to go fishing and use kayaks and rules around adoption of pets from shelters and dog-grooming.

Every little detail is being picked apart. It's mad in a way, but in another way it's exactly what people need to stop the uncertainty.
 
I never said it wasn't necessary.... but if someone hugs their Mum I won't climb on my high horse and indulge in the po-faced indignation that others do.



Yeah, none of which come anywhere near compensating for personal interaction.



All of those of are useful but are sorry replacements for human to human interaction.


So how would you feel if in a fortnight your mum is in hospital fighting for her life?
 
That's what I'm arguing about.

It is not a 'very small price' it's a massive price that we're all paying. Especially the young, who've been absolutely stuffed by the policy the government has followed.

There we go ... :lol:

I could feel that bubbling away under there throughout your previous posts.
 
Stay at home read some books, work on your own personal development, work out, do house work, do some gardening, watch some films, play some video games, write/speak to friends family etc.. It really isn't a tough ask to stay put for a bit.

This ... sounds pretty easy, some good and manageable suggestions eh? ...

That's very easy to write but it's hard to do, I'm abiding by the measures under protest but I resent people trying to enforce some sort of blitz spirit. The reason we can't see our friends and families isn't a consequence of a virus, it's a consequence of a government policy. So forgive me if I don't partake in this faux-blitz spirit that has become almost compulsory. Forgive me if I don't stand on my doorstep clapping like a performing seal every Thursday and forgive the people who decide that they aren't putting up with.

... oh.
 
That's what I'm arguing about.

It is not a 'very small price' it's a massive price that we're all paying. Especially the young, who've been absolutely stuffed by the policy the government has followed.

I am a young person and yes, it fecking sucks but I value human lives far more than my own personal desires, nor needs. I miss my partner a lot and haven’t seen her since February but I realise that if everyone committed to a lockdown restrictions could be eased and I could see her. I have lost job opportunities and interviews but I realise if everyone committed they would arise again. I should be entering a great part of my life career wise (my late 20s) and have just spent a lot of money completing a Masters but now this situation has probably changed my career outlook monumentally but I realise that human life is worth more than that. I haven’t seen most of my friends since January but I realise human life is worth more. I’m probably not going to get to see as much of the world as I would before, I probably won’t be able to do many of the things I dreamt of before and I’ll probably have to be paying a lot back in the future so I won’t have as much for myself and my partner or children if I chose to have them (yes, there will be many who won’t want children or can’t justify it anymore because of the situation potentially in the future). All of that fecking sucks.

But you know what? I still have those opportunities. I’m still here right now and I can still make something of my life. There are plenty who won’t be able to because they’ve died. Lockdown is shit, people might lose their job or have a different life to what they may have had before. They still have their life.

EDIT: I would also like to add I have suffered with mental health issues since the age of 16, anxiety and depression that have each led me to try to take my own life in the past. I've hit rough patches and still do. I have during this lockdown also but people with mental health problems can still have perspective. It's very individual. For those that are struggling there should be a system in place to help them through the lockdown. not the excuse of "Yeah but people have mental illnesses so we should come out of lockdown for their sake". Same with people who live in poverty or crammed households. We should be making better decisions at a local level to ensure they get the space and help they need.
 
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I am a young person and yes, it fecking sucks but I value human lives far more than my own personal desires, nor needs. I miss my partner a lot and haven’t seen her since February but I realise that if everyone committed to a lockdown restrictions could be eased and I could see her. I have lost job opportunities and interviews but I realise if everyone committed they would arise again. I should be entering a great part of my life career wise (my late 20s) and have just spent a lot of money completing a Masters but now this situation has probably changed my career outlook monumentally but I realise that human life is worth more than that. I haven’t seen most of my friends since January but I realise human life is worth more. I’m probably not going to get to see as much of the world as I would before, I probably won’t be able to do many of the things I dreamt of before and I’ll probably have to be paying a lot back in the future so I won’t have as much for myself and my partner or children if I chose to have them (yes, there will be many who won’t want children or can’t justify it anymore because of the situation potentially in the future). All of that fecking sucks.

But you know what? I still have those opportunities. I’m still here right now and I can still make something of my life. There are plenty who won’t be able to because they’ve died. Lockdown is shit, people might lose their job or have a different life to what they may have had before. They still have their life.

Excellent post and I can echo most of it.
 
I am a young person and yes, it fecking sucks but I value human lives far more than my own personal desires, nor needs. I miss my partner a lot and haven’t seen her since February but I realise that if everyone committed to a lockdown restrictions could be eased and I could see her. I have lost job opportunities and interviews but I realise if everyone committed they would arise again. I should be entering a great part of my life career wise (my late 20s) and have just spent a lot of money completing a Masters but now this situation has probably changed my career outlook monumentally but I realise that human life is worth more than that. I haven’t seen most of my friends since January but I realise human life is worth more. I’m probably not going to get to see as much of the world as I would before, I probably won’t be able to do many of the things I dreamt of before and I’ll probably have to be paying a lot back in the future so I won’t have as much for myself and my partner or children if I chose to have them (yes, there will be many who won’t want children or can’t justify it anymore because of the situation potentially in the future). All of that fecking sucks.

But you know what? I still have those opportunities. I’m still here right now and I can still make something of my life. There are plenty who won’t be able to because they’ve died. Lockdown is shit, people might lose their job or have a different life to what they may have had before. They still have their life.
Completely echo this post, exactly how I feel, haven’t seen anyone really since February but it is what it is.
 
But you know what? I still have those opportunities. I’m still here right now and I can still make something of my life. There are plenty who won’t be able to because they’ve died. Lockdown is shit, people might lose their job or have a different life to what they may have had before. They still have their life.

Good post. All is not lost. Stay strong.

We’ve got 3 kids, two boys of 15 and a daughter who is 12. I still have very high hopes for their futures. So should they have. So should all young people.

Edit: I have two very close childhood friends and their Mum and Step Dad (mid 60’s) were hospitalised with Covid-19 a few weeks back. I saw the step Dad over the weekend, 3 weeks after coming out of hospital. He still looked absolutely knackered, it has aged him massively.

It’s no joke this virus, after speaking to him that is very clear, he was telling me of how ill they both were, the panic at being rushed to hospital and the rate the hospital beds around him were emptying and filling up and he and his wife’s fear of not making it through. It was a startling story coming from someone I’ve known my whole life.

Any extraordinary measures we are putting in place are worth it, for all generations.
 
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Imagine most office workers won't be able to just turn up tomorrow. Most offices are overseen by a managing company and they will have a policy in regards to open hours/office times during lockdown.

Think Boris should probably have mentioned somewhere that most people who work in front of a screen in an office should not meet the necessary requirements of physically going into work. I do worry how some cnuty bosses will interpret this.

Agree I'm worried about this, especially as there isn't a union and even during lockdown they've said they're desperate to get people back
 
Good post. All is not lost. Stay strong.

We’ve got 3 kids, two boys of 15 and a daughter who is 12. I still have very high hopes for their futures. So should they have. So should all young people.

My son is 21 and studying in California (which is obliviously a worry) but I have huge optimism for his future.

I when I think of the difficult circumstances some people overcome I have little sympathy for people who are just annoyed they can't go out as much as usual to the point of not caring if others die to avoid inconvenience.
 
So according to twitter raab said this morning no mixing households even if obeying social distancing, while the MP on gmb with piers said youve been able to do it all along....
 
- Regional management
- 2 weeks notice of potential changes
- 1 week notice of actual change
- Scaled dial back of furlough
- 3 day working week initially, 2 weeks max, scaling up to 5 days
- Directives to ensure non-furloughed staff working from home stay home for another 3-6 months
- Specific orders for at risk groups
- Communicated plans for care homes
- Transparent PPE figures for front line workers
- Top down messaging to ensure flexible working practices
- Industries and businesses identified and put into defined ‘buckets’ of risk
- Time commitments

Just as a quick and easy starter.
That makes too much sense. I suppose next you'll be asking for details on what science exactly the government is following.
 
- Regional management
- 2 weeks notice of potential changes
- 1 week notice of actual change
- Scaled dial back of furlough
- 3 day working week initially, 2 weeks max, scaling up to 5 days
- Directives to ensure non-furloughed staff working from home stay home for another 3-6
- Specific orders for at risk groups
- Communicated plans for care homes
- Transparent PPE figures for front line workers

- Top down messaging to ensure flexible working practices
- Industries and businesses identified and put into defined ‘buckets’ of risk
- Time commitments

Just as a quick and easy starter.

Really is mad there’s not been anything official regarding this.
 
My son is 21 and studying in California (which is obliviously a worry) but I have huge optimism for his future.

I when I think of the difficult circumstances some people overcome I have little sympathy for people who are just annoyed they can't go out as much as usual to the point of not caring if others die to avoid inconvenience.

I feel the same. I can’t help it.
 
Last night's speech was a bit shambolic. Unfortunately, Boris isn't a PM for times when detail is essential, it's not his thing. I'm signed up to a Regional news alert service via our Town Hall, and the Italian love of bureaucratic detail has been exactly what's needed. Last week I received (amongst others) detailed briefings on such diverse things as rules for people who want to go fishing and use kayaks and rules around adoption of pets from shelters and dog-grooming.

Every little detail is being picked apart. It's mad in a way, but in another way it's exactly what people need to stop the uncertainty.

I completely agree. I watched last nights speech and felt it was completely disassociated to what is happening. All the fist banging looked completely out of place and the hastily put together diagrams made no sense (a 5 level traffic light system where we're at 3.5).

There was no decisiveness in what was said; I was comparing it to the Merkel speech a week or so again where she went into minute detail and didn't treat the population as idiots. This situation requires us to know why the decisions are taken, not just the decisions. It feels like the government don't really have a clue which is sadly probably true.

The speech has left nobody knowing what the situation is. People are supposedly going back to work today, but who? Nobody knows. Offices are supposed to have systems to enable this, but were given Sunday night to do it if people are coming back in today. Manufacturers who weren't working are to start again. What happens if they supply the people who are still shut down? We have to wait until Wednesday to go to parks, but work starts today. Why?

I know a lot of this can be worked out by business, individuals but it's awful by the government and is at the moment a bit of a mess.
 
My son is 21 and studying in California (which is obliviously a worry) but I have huge optimism for his future.

I when I think of the difficult circumstances some people overcome I have little sympathy for people who are just annoyed they can't go out as much as usual to the point of not caring if others die to avoid inconvenience.
Definitely, though I do think it's worth considering those with mental health issues who are currently locked up. Or those with recurring illnesses like depression that can be triggered from circumstances like this. I have a few friends who are bipolar who I know are struggling hugely being so confined right now.

In Ireland we've also basically neglected/cancelled a shit-tonne of other medical appointments as a result of this, what will the repercussions be of that? It was announced this morning that no cervical or breast cancer screenings have been done since this began. Our hospitals are actually the emptiest they've been in years.

People also don't like to hear anything to do with economics but our unemployment is at 30% right now, how many businesses will never reopen. How many will lose their jobs and their aspiring careers fecked? This will likely be worse than the 08 recession.

I guess it's hard to find middle ground because we've largely handled it much better than the UK (not difficult) and therefore we never got that surge that was predicted, we never saw hospitals overwhelmed or had stories of health workers suffering mentally. Which is great, and the lockdown as a result was 100% worth it. But now we also have a roadmap that doesn't see businesses like hairdressers open til July, and hospitality til late August. People still can't go further than 5k from their home til June. I do think that's crazy, personally.

I hope some sort of middle ground is found with COVID-19 going forward, I guess we'll see how things go in mainland Europe, because I do think it's be disastrous for people if these lockdowns continue.
 
Posting this not because I endorse it but just want to hang on to anything vaguely positive (actually my instincts are telling me we’re all a lot more fecked than we know):

 
Posting this not because I endorse it but just want to hang on to anything vaguely positive (actually my instincts are telling me we’re all a lot more fecked than we know):



Does anyone actually believe China’s figures that are quoted in that article teaser? US apparently has more deaths than China has cases.
 
This shouldn't really be here. It should be in the politics thread because these cnuts couldn't run a tap.
 
Does anyone actually believe China’s figures that are quoted in that article teaser? US apparently has more deaths than China has cases.

China lockdown was extremely strict, its possible but of course you never know
 
Posting this not because I endorse it but just want to hang on to anything vaguely positive (actually my instincts are telling me we’re all a lot more fecked than we know):


A lot of stuff is being eased in Denmark throughout the next month. Distance rules going from two to one metres, shopping centres reopening, everyone going back to school, restaurants and bars reopening in the end of this period, sports clubs reopening with certain restrictions (generally there are still restrictions all over, but it's not completely closed anymore). So it sounds like they think we have it under control here.
Personally I think we're opening a lot of stuff in quick succession so it all hinges on schools, business owners etc. putting good systems in place to limit spread. Fingers crossed although I'll probably just stick to limiting social interactions and so on the next while still.
 
Definitely, though I do think it's worth considering those with mental health issues who are currently locked up. Or those with recurring illnesses like depression that can be triggered from circumstances like this. I have a few friends who are bipolar who I know are struggling hugely being so confined right now.

People also don't like to hear anything to do with economics but our unemployment is at 30% right now, how many businesses will never reopen. How many will lose their jobs and their aspiring careers fecked? This will likely be worse than the 08 recession.

I've suffered with anxiety/depression/mental health issues since my teens - 10+ years. It doesn't go away, I still suffer, I have been driven to suicide before. I've gone through rough patches through this period of lockdown but I don't think we should be swift to lift it. Perspective is key and people with mental health issues still have that. Mental health is very individual and personal, the only person that can really get you out of that negative space is yourself, no matter what your surroundings are it needs to come from yourself primarily to get you out of it. I don't think it is a case of lifting lockdown so people don't trigger mental health problems but it should be a case of ensuring that people in lockdown are given the best mental health support they can to give them avenues of positivity that they can trigger their own support network in themselves and around them. It is possible to exercise still, eat well etc. A lot of what helps the body feel positive can still happen.

Lots will. As I said previously my career is probably fecked and i've missed out on a lot of opportunities. Does that mean my life is over? Of course not. There are still pathways and I still have my life. It also coincides with mental health. Instead of being negative and triggering mental health issues in people by shouting rhetoric like "the economy will crash and we are all doomed" or "your career path is over" or "life will never be the same again" which is wholly negative, we change the framework in which it is posed to people. People are wrapped up in the ideal that if you aren't in your dream job then life is shite or if you don't have as much money as celebrities life is shite etc. We need to make people see that there is a positivity in living in general. Having a life and being able to do any type of work, or seeing friends or family in a park rather than going abroad - we don't need the glamourous lifestyle to be happy. A simple life can be a happy one and it's important we build a mental health sector and advice network that shows and conveys that.
 
Definitely, though I do think it's worth considering those with mental health issues who are currently locked up. Or those with recurring illnesses like depression that can be triggered from circumstances like this. I have a few friends who are bipolar who I know are struggling hugely being so confined right now.

In Ireland we've also basically neglected/cancelled a shit-tonne of other medical appointments as a result of this, what will the repercussions be of that? It was announced this morning that no cervical or breast cancer screenings have been done since this began. Our hospitals are actually the emptiest they've been in years.

People also don't like to hear anything to do with economics but our unemployment is at 30% right now, how many businesses will never reopen. How many will lose their jobs and their aspiring careers fecked? This will likely be worse than the 08 recession.

I guess it's hard to find middle ground because we've largely handled it much better than the UK (not difficult) and therefore we never got that surge that was predicted, we never saw hospitals overwhelmed or had stories of health workers suffering mentally. Which is great, and the lockdown as a result was 100% worth it. But now we also have a roadmap that doesn't see businesses like hairdressers open til July, and hospitality til late August. People still can't go further than 5k from their home til June. I do think that's crazy, personally.

I hope some sort of middle ground is found with COVID-19 going forward, I guess we'll see how things go in mainland Europe, because I do think it's be disastrous for people if these lockdowns continue.

Of course there are people genuinely struggling with lockdown. My aunty is one of them, she’s terribly lonely, has dementia and is calling everyone she knows, inventing little scenarios trying to get us to go over and help. She is just one of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, maybe more who are genuinely struggling.

There are those however that are just stupid and selfish and want nothing more than to do whatever they want at whatever ultimate cost.

Of course economics are a huge worry, and yes, there will be lots of SME’s that go under. But knowing the world as it is, there will also be space for lots of new SME’s in their place. If anyone thinks this virus and the current situation will suddenly kill all opportunity stone dead they are wrong.

In my view we are already in the middle ground. Not letting the virus rip through society uncontrolled and killing hundreds of thousands while also acknowledging lockdown cannot go on forever, it is finite, that in my view is the middle ground.
 
Definitely, though I do think it's worth considering those with mental health issues who are currently locked up. Or those with recurring illnesses like depression that can be triggered from circumstances like this. I have a few friends who are bipolar who I know are struggling hugely being so confined right now.

In Ireland we've also basically neglected/cancelled a shit-tonne of other medical appointments as a result of this, what will the repercussions be of that? It was announced this morning that no cervical or breast cancer screenings have been done since this began. Our hospitals are actually the emptiest they've been in years.

People also don't like to hear anything to do with economics but our unemployment is at 30% right now, how many businesses will never reopen. How many will lose their jobs and their aspiring careers fecked? This will likely be worse than the 08 recession.

I guess it's hard to find middle ground because we've largely handled it much better than the UK (not difficult) and therefore we never got that surge that was predicted, we never saw hospitals overwhelmed or had stories of health workers suffering mentally. Which is great, and the lockdown as a result was 100% worth it. But now we also have a roadmap that doesn't see businesses like hairdressers open til July, and hospitality til late August. People still can't go further than 5k from their home til June. I do think that's crazy, personally.

I hope some sort of middle ground is found with COVID-19 going forward, I guess we'll see how things go in mainland Europe, because I do think it's be disastrous for people if these lockdowns continue.
This is what bugs me a bit as well, as soon as you question some things or are critical about the approach in the near future, you immediately get called out by some as though you don't care about human life, especially someone like me in their mid-to-late 20s who doesn't belong in a risk group. I just fear for a lot of SMEs in my city who will not survive if this isn't tackled well by the government and if they've got to stay closed throughout the summer. It's also not mutually exclusive to feel sad/annoyed that e.g. festivals aren't happening but you still understand why and understand that it's the right decision. Still, let people who want to just have a moan about it if it helps for them - that doesn't mean they're egoists who don't care about others imo.

With lockdown restrictions being lifted gradually, it now comes down to personal responsibility for me as this is gonna be the world for the foreseeable future. Don't come to close, be vigilant, wash your hands, ... And if all follow those guidelines, we can hopefully keep it under control and think about other aspects of our community rather than only the health care. On the flip side, I try to keep telling myself that, even if numbers are going down, 1 is still one too many and you won't care that it's just 1 if it's family of yours. It gets very real very soon if it hits home close to you.
 
Saturday saw the lowest number of new infections (667) and lowest number of deaths (26) in a single day in Germany since late March. Let's hope the mass gatherings at the weekend won't cause those to pick up again.
 
Those wanting notice of going back to work, well this is the notice to be encouraged to go back from here, this is the starting point. Nothing states you must be back in today. If the place and people require two weeks then prepare and go back in two weeks.
 
Interesting report. Following quote below (came later in article) also captures how I feel.

“We ditched herd immunity when we got spooked by the Imperial report, by which point the virus had already spread and it was probably too late to get the benefits of lockdown. Now we want to leave lockdown but we have no herd immunity. So we have a vast death toll as well as the perfect storm for an awful second wave,” the MP argued.
#leadership
 
The 'Lockdown' has been finished for a few days. Anybody can see that roads have been getting busier and in my area people have started having their family and friends around. Which isn't cricket but it's understandable. Separating innocent family, friends, lovers etc for 6 weeks is pretty barbaric.

The modified lockdown is basically impossible police and will totally dissolve when we have a hot weekend.

Hahahaha. Aw man, that was funny. Thank you.
 
Their president's message is "so what".

As is mine. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. These countries who are so ignorant that they elect these far-right morons that are so clearly out of their depth deserve everything they get.

Covid denying and deforestation of the Amazon. Amazing that in 2020 we still have turkey's voting for christmas.
 
Does anyone actually believe China’s figures that are quoted in that article teaser? US apparently has more deaths than China has cases.

I believe them.

Which is not to say I know they are correct, but it makes sense according to the timeline of things and the way China acted - extremely swift anywhere apart from Wuhan, for obvious reasons. This virus isn't that hard to contain with relatively simple measures. It doesn't transmit as easily as we initially feared. I saw it growing and burn out completely in my region. It only becomes completely uncontrollable if you ignore it, which was what Europe did at a critical phase.
 
It's hard to draw any conclusion other than they rushed the announcement so Boris could do it pre-recorded and not to parliament.

As much as i dislike Tory policy their media strategy has historically been very good, this is just an omnishambles.

What berk thought it would be a good idea to announce vague measures with no detail to back it?

Oh and now Boris is back doing the briefing it's turned into a pre-recorded Q&A with questions selected by Tory HQ. Can't have actual scrutiny can we.
 
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This has not happened.
Yet.

In England it has from wednesday, they had a late call last night to confirm it apparently. Can only play within your household though.

Still unclear about driving ranges, hard to socially distance at mine really.
 
Restrictions should totally be lifted for key workers first, so I can go play golf.

I did joke about it at first, but it's a possible step in the right direction tbh.

Key workers are well aware of risks and practice social distancing at their workplaces anyway, what better group to test some places on how they would open? Maybe a fortnight of key workers for restaurants , golf , non essential shops to see how it goes. We've all got letters to say we are key workers haven't we?

There is probably a million flaws in that, and I am sure you guys will quickly point them all out to me.
Golf courses could open easily imho if they follow something like this;

Club house closed
Only 4 members allowed on the course at one time and they have to be following physical distancing
Have a timetable online where you can book an hour in advance so that everyone doesn’t turn up at once. When the booking slots are full then you can’t go