SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

spiriticon said:
Well you know, I hate it when there's so much bullshit around with contradictory statements from governments like 'This is NOT a drill but it's not a pandemic either' or 'We are mostly in the delay phase but we are also open for business as usual"

Just say it like it is:

'We are going to pretend to try and stop this disease, but nothing that will hurt the economy too much. Brace yourself for infection in the meantime. If you survive, great. If you don't, tough. Suck it up, princesses.'
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Agree, it's pathetic, and disgusting.

I genuinely wonder what the longterm outcome will be for the Governments that have adopted such a lax approach - U.K, U.S etc. I feel that this incident, and their lack of leadership will have serious, long-term ramifications for them regarding people's faith in them reaching breaking point.

After years (decades) of ridiculously poor leadership and unpopular policy, there has to be 'straw that breaks the camel's back moment'. This could well be it.

stepic said:
there has to be some pragmatism though. the world has to keep turning, unless you want to collapse the entire economy. there has to be balance.
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The thing is, closing schools and colleges isn't gonna collapse the economy. People working from home where possible isn't gonna collapse the economy etc.

Nothing has been done. It's pathetic, reactive leadership - see below.

Bosws87 said:
As with all things in this world when the cases start rising or a lot of people begin dying we will drastically change what we are doing and have this solved relatively quickly, its been like this forever.

I'm not condoning this or saying it's right, it has always been like this we as a civilised society turn a blind eye until it smacks us in the face.
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Yes, it's reactive leadership instead of proactive leadership, and as Utd fans, we know full well what reactive leadership achieves...

A board like Utd is reactive - try and fix things after they're broken, people not fit to lead in positions of power.

A board like City or Bayern or Ajax is proactive - implement a philosophy to follow, prepare for the moves you wanna make, people employed in positions of power that are fit for the job.

The Government (at least in U.K and U.S) is reminding me very much right now of that Utd board - reactive, unprepared, greedy, talking utter rubbish etc.
 
Kentonio said:
Unsuccessful in an evolutionary sense, but still perfectly capable of successfully fecking our species.
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Yes and no. As an individual you can be fecked, but as nature goes these things balance themselves out. I don't see it as feasible that a virus like this fecks an entire species.
 
Arruda said:
Yes and no. As an individual you can be fecked, but as nature goes these things balance themselves out. I don't see it as feasible that a virus like this fecks an entire species.
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I was talking in the ‘potentially kill millions of people’ sense, not in the ‘wipe out the species’ sense.
 
TheReligion said:
I'm sorry to hear you're not well. One good thing about this though is prior to your death you can repent all your sins as a Liverpool fan and I will request our resident priests @Ian Reus and @Sassy Colin perform an exorcism so you can rest in peace with your ashes scattered on the playing surface of the Theatre of Dreams. God speed.
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We perform exorcisms on Scousers whatever their condition.
 
where does the plausibility of this 80% could get infected stat come from? it seems ludicrously high, no?
 
Penna said:
There was no Mass last week .... I watched one online. You want to check to see what your Imam is recommending, they must have a longer-term plan.
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The imam didn't say anything other than thoughts and prayers. Not really much they can contribute to be honest. Friday prayers have to be in congregation. The tricky time will be Ramadan which is a month and a half away. I was honestly shocked to see no one going round the grand mosque in Makkah. Haven't seen that in 48 years of my life and there are all sorts of viruses that people bring there, including Ebola from Africa.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Agree, it's pathetic, and disgusting.

I genuinely wonder what the longterm outcome will be for the Governments that have adopted such a lax approach - U.K, U.S etc. I feel that this incident, and their lack of leadership will have serious, long-term ramifications for them regarding people's faith in them reaching breaking point.

After years (decades) of ridiculously poor leadership and unpopular policy, there has to be 'straw that breaks the camel's back moment'. This could well be it.



The thing is, closing schools and colleges isn't gonna collapse the economy. People working from home where possible isn't gonna collapse the economy etc.

Nothing has been done. It's pathetic, reactive leadership - see below.



Yes, it's reactive leadership instead of proactive leadership, and as Utd fans, we know full well what reactive leadership achieves...

A board like Utd is reactive - try and fix things after they're broken, people not fit to lead in positions of power.

A board like City or Bayern or Ajax is proactive - implement a philosophy to follow, prepare for the moves you wanna make, people employed in positions of power that are fit for the job.

The Government (at least in U.K and U.S) is reminding me very much right now of that Utd board - reactive, unprepared, greedy, talking utter rubbish etc.
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I agree with the overall political statement of the UK, but generally this time round for the pandemic we as the UK have been on the ball since its come over here i believe if you look at the state of the majority of countries we are one of the few which are calm and have this planned out thoroughly. Yes it's scary watching number rise day by day but there is no significant cluster yet like Italy, South Korea which we can shut off yes it looks annoying from the outside that we have 160 cases so close everything down and wipe it out in a few weeks but unless the world is doing the rest your just gonna have to keep doing this over and over again.

We cannot test every single person coming in and out of the country its impossible.
 
I watched a BBC segment on youtube that said 1 in 5 South African men under 50 have AIDS and they are the highest risk for this virus. I really couldn't believe those numbers. :eek:
 
Pogue Mahone said:




These two tweets are utterly terrifying.

Based on these doctors experiences in Italy, it sounds like the mortality rate might get higher and higher in the coming weeks/months. And this increase will be driven by the CFR in younger/healthy patients catching up with the elderly/immune compromised. FFS.
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The second part appears to be anecdotal though, no actual figures for how many young people are presenting with severe symptoms. For all we know, the doctor may have noticed a few starting to arrive yes, but that does not necessarily represent a trend and does not account for the majority of younger, otherwise healthy people who are still self isolating following a diagnosis.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
I watched a BBC segment on youtube that said 1 in 5 South African men under 50 have AIDS and they are the highest risk for this virus. I really couldn't believe those numbers. :eek:
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HIV might be true, but fully blown AIDS is hard to believe.
 
So we've had over 160 confirmed cases and so far only 2 deaths, both people who are on deaths door anyway?

Obviously it needs to be taken seriously to help stop the spread but it doesn't sound anywhere near as bad as what it's being made out to be.

What are the symptoms, cold, fever sore throat and a cough?
 
Tarrou said:
this is the official advice in Australia, if I had what felt like a regular cold I'd probably just wait to see if the symptoms get worse
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I feel like I’m getting a cold. My manager had a cold/cough for the last week but is ok now. Important to remember those regular illnesses still exist.

I was supposed to go to DC tonight but cancelled it just in case. I have no cough, no runny nose, not really a temperature, no shortness of breath, more just feel a little run down/under the weather. A good rest should do me good!
 
I’m worried about my mum back in Ireland though. She has asthma and has had other lung issues including double pneumonia. I had pneumonia 4 years ago but I’ve not got sick since then.
 
Adam-Utd said:
So we've had over 160 confirmed cases and so far only 2 deaths, both people who are on deaths door anyway?

Obviously it needs to be taken seriously to help stop the spread but it doesn't sound anywhere near as bad as what it's being made out to be.

What are the symptoms, cold, fever sore throat and a cough?
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The symptoms are a high fever, and not so much cold like, but from what I've read more lung-related, like a severe cough.

Also, the issue isn't the number of the cases we've had thus far, it's the rate at which it's spreading. A leap of 40 in one day is significant.
 
Adam-Utd said:
So we've had over 160 confirmed cases and so far only 2 deaths, both people who are on deaths door anyway?

Obviously it needs to be taken seriously to help stop the spread but it doesn't sound anywhere near as bad as what it's being made out to be.

What are the symptoms, cold, fever sore throat and a cough?
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From the Chinese cases:

Symptom & Percentage
Fever87.9%
Dry cough67.7%
Fatigue38.1%
Sputum production33.4%
Shortness of breath18.6%
Muscle pain or joint pain14.8%
Sore throat13.9%
Headache13.6%
Chills11.4%
Nausea or vomiting5%
Nasal congestion4.8%
Diarrhoea3.7%
Haemoptysis0.9%
Conjunctival congestion0.8%

A lot of those are so common to other things.
 
17 Van der Gouw said:
The symptoms are a high fever, and not so much cold like, but from what I've read more lung-related, like a severe cough.

Also, the issue isn't the number of the cases we've had thus far, it's the rate at which it's spreading. A leap of 40 in one day is significant.
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11101 said:
From the Chinese cases:

Symptom & Percentage
Fever87.9%
Dry cough67.7%
Fatigue38.1%
Sputum production33.4%
Shortness of breath18.6%
Muscle pain or joint pain14.8%
Sore throat13.9%
Headache13.6%
Chills11.4%
Nausea or vomiting5%
Nasal congestion4.8%
Diarrhoea3.7%
Haemoptysis0.9%
Conjunctival congestion0.8%

A lot of those are so common to other things.
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thanks
 
Adam-Utd said:
So we've had over 160 confirmed cases and so far only 2 deaths, both people who are on deaths door anyway?

Obviously it needs to be taken seriously to help stop the spread but it doesn't sound anywhere near as bad as what it's being made out to be.

What are the symptoms, cold, fever sore throat and a cough?
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It’s very early days for the UK and doesn’t just affect old people
 
Just came back from Asda. As I was filling my basket with good, wholesome foods like oily fish, kale, broccoli etc everyone was literally stuffing trollies of Loo roll, fish fingers and pasta. The frozen section was bare and yet the delicious and vitamin C rich organic oranges and peppers that I bought were full to the brim! I think people may have their priorities skewed somewhat!

I don’t get how people can’t see A) they don’t need to stockpile and B) they should be doing all they can by maintaining a nutritious, balanced diet, supplement regimen and getting plenty of cardio and sleep. I know that’s no guarantee of anything but staying healthy and washing your hands are your best chance other than moving to a deserted island!
 
Adamsk7 said:
Just came back from Asda. As I was filling my basket with good, wholesome foods like oily fish, kale, broccoli etc everyone was literally stuffing trollies of Loo roll, fish fingers and pasta. The frozen section was bare and yet the delicious and vitamin C rich organic oranges and peppers that I bought were full to the brim! I think people may have their priorities skewed somewhat!

I don’t get how people can’t see A) they don’t need to stockpile and B) they should be doing all they can by maintaining a nutritious, balanced diet, supplement regimen and getting plenty of cardio and sleep. I know that’s no guarantee of anything but staying healthy and washing your hands are your best chance other than moving to a deserted island!
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Look at Adamsk7, being able to afford to eat healthy
 
horsechoker said:
Look at Adamsk7, being able to afford to eat healthy
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Thought someone might play that card! Honestly if you know where to look, eating healthy isn’t that much more expensive. I make my own granola for breakfast and it works out at about 26p a bowl.
 
Italy with another 800 cases today.

Average age of death is 81. Government said all over 60 but one news report said there was a 55 year old with a serious illness. All very old/ill either way.

96% in hospital in Lombardy, up from 50% a few days ago, but i think (not certain) its because they've made the military hospitals available and are sending everybody there so they don't infect others. @van der star could confirm that, hes a doctor in a badly hit area i think.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Are we expected to get more details on where the cases were from today? Saying that there's two confirmed cases in "Fife" means feck all when the place consists of 500 square miles with the population scattered into hundreds of small towns and villages. I know other places will be wondering the same.
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2 out of every Fife Scots have it.
 
Adam-Utd said:
So we've had over 160 confirmed cases and so far only 2 deaths, both people who are on deaths door anyway?

Obviously it needs to be taken seriously to help stop the spread but it doesn't sound anywhere near as bad as what it's being made out to be.

What are the symptoms, cold, fever sore throat and a cough?
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Italy's 197 deaths from 4636 cases puts the death toll there at 4.25% which is pretty serious.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
I watched a BBC segment on youtube that said 1 in 5 South African men under 50 have AIDS and they are the highest risk for this virus. I really couldn't believe those numbers. :eek:
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Yeah I wasn't aware of those numbers either and I was quite surprised to read that. Apparently 19% of all people in South Africa in the age group 15-49 have HIV - did the segment explain why the men would be more at risk than females for the coronavirus?
 
Wonder what the Brexit result would have been if this had happened beforehand.
 
What was the death rate on that cruise ship? That seems to be the only 'cohort' data anyone's had. Everything else seems biased in some direction in the denominator.
 
Fully Fledged said:
Italy's 197 deaths from 4636 cases puts the death toll there at 4.25% which is pretty serious.
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That's from confirmed cases. Given that people have gotten it simply from having a lay-over in Milano, I'm certain the real number of infected is several times higher than the reported figures.

As I mentioned earlier as well, the death rate in China in people diagnosed after February 1st is 0.7%, and the death rate in South Korea has been pretty steady at 0.6%.
zing said:
What was the death rate on that cruise ship? That seems to be the only 'cohort' data anyone's had. Everything else seems biased in some direction in the denominator.
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706 infected, 6 dead I believe, so just shy of 1%.
 
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