You can't consider that though because from a practical standpoint it's wrong. The actual comparison between the two cities would be at metro level, London has 14m inhabitants and Paris has 12m but Paris is 4 times smaller and therefore denser.
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You can't consider that though because from a practical standpoint it's wrong. The actual comparison between the two cities would be at metro level, London has 14m inhabitants and Paris has 12m but Paris is 4 times smaller and therefore denser.
Haven’t seen that graph but I’d imagine it’s skewed by who is getting tested. In the Uk, you either need to be a healthcare worker or admitted to hospital to be tested.
The majority of nurses/care home workers are women, which would explain female majority in people of working age. When you get older is when people are more likely to get very sick and men are much more likely than women to get very unwell from covid (nobody knows why).
I'm not denying the density is greater with Paris, but London is still very densely populated even when you branch out to greater London be it Harrow or Croydon. When one city has 8x more people and is still very densely populated, the virus will take more lives.
Note the papers leading with the story .
We can’t move to the next stage until the tracking and tracing infrastructure is ready, especially with the disease spreading rapidly through care homes. That’s why we currently in a bit of a holding pattern. I can assure you that people are working like manic to get this done on both a national and regional level.
So what lockdown measures will be eased in the UK then?
I can see a huge second wave of this bastard virus on the horizon.
I can see a huge second wave of this bastard virus on the horizon.
But you kind of made a comparison and drew a conclusion that was wrong. Paris and London metro areas are comparable in terms of population but Paris is significantly denser, it should be the worst hit area in Europe and I wouldn't be surprised if it actually is, London should be the second one and it probably is.
So you have a point about the fact that it's not surprising to see the UK near the top but I had to quibble regarding Paris vs London.
Ah, course, makes sense.
Who she is isn't relevant, though. She's not a Government public health expert. I don't see why the story couldn't run without the pictures of the attractive blonde woman (which is completely irrelevant to the issue here), but of course, she's an attractive blonde woman so they're bound to show her. It's really invading her privacy.
There is some logic to putting unemployed people to work picking crops, but at the moment I wouldn't look at those on jobseekers allowance of £300 a month, I'd look at those furloughed. Start off with the ones on £2,500 a month and work down til you have enough. Want your furlough money? Get down to the farms mate.
In the Lancashire Cotton Famine of the 19th century (bloody yanks again with their civil war, no cotton) the mill workers were literally starving to death so the local authorities sustained them, but in return they to landscape parks, build roads and reservoirs, all sorts of things. I expect they were happy to be fed too.
I saw one of those a while back, maybe the same one, and yep they all quit, moaning about the
The Daily Mail comment section already is.
I believe this was it...
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/feb/12/unemployed-immigrants-jobs-documentary
It is obviously massively invading her privacy, but is anyone really surprised by the coverage? In Britain we're weirdly prudish about this stuff, while also loving the written by a 14 year old sex-starved boy, thigh-rubbing tone of the coverage.
That's an old link! It was ages ago tbf- quite possibly that, although I had Channel 4 in my head, not BBC.
MP Lee Anderson actually campaigned on nuisance tenants being kicked out of council homes forced to live in tents and pick potatoes - and that was before CV-19!
In Ireland there was a strawberry farm looking for workers a couple of weeks ago and had to hire Romanians i think. They hired a few Irish but not enough.
Paying decent wages has always been the antidote to filling vacancies in a range of so called ....'jobs that brits won't do'
I would have thought the waiter jobs would not be so bad. The picking fruit would be boring i assume.
Isn't it convenient how governments have the legend of the lazy, choosy British worker to fall back on?
It's boring, but can also be knackering, involving loads of bending down, depending on the fruit. I had a student job picking and tending to cucumber plants in a giant greenhouse and it was a baking hot summer. Was shite and loads dropped out, but was still money.
Yea i was thinking that alright. Any farm work is tough work. It could be roasting hot or raining, both of which would be tough to work in.
I worked in a computer factory years ago. I remember one of the jobs you had to do was pull wires out of all the laptops they were testing. You would think it was easy, but far from it. You were bending up and down literally 5000 times per 12 hour shifts. It was tough and it was boring. Like you loads of people would start and drop out two days later. I stuck by it to pay for my college. But if you kept it up, 12 hour shifts six days a week, you would be dead by the time you were sixty.
Some jobs like anything on the buildings or farms is serious tough work.
I really can't make sense of russians figures. Why would their daily cases double in the last 10 days, allegedly they have been testing people at a high rate since February/March, they tightened their borders and have lockdowns in place. Are their recent stats due to a delay between tests and results or are they seeing fresh cases?
Too late with enforcing lockdowns, also those lockdowns are fairly loose. Moreover, some of the so called "healthcare professionals" were all over TV saying that this virus is quite similar to seasonal flu. Unfeckingbelievable.
Thanks, you are in Russia? Looking at official figures Moscow and its regions are at 100k cases and an increase of 5k per day which is worrying, do you think that they are following New York?
Highly suitable for the furloughed then, two and half k a month ain't bad.
People that that social media, internet etc would make people more enlightened due to the readily available information. It turns out that the opposite is true... And I fear for the generation currently growing up in this hyperbolic and all-encompassing social media world. Some (few) will be able to handle it and be able to discern what is right and wrong, but most will be naive, easily manipulated and shallow people without any ability to reflect, evaluate and make up their own opinion. When this group of people start reproducing, will their kids become independent due to lack of parenting or will they be the same as their parents?
Yep. Tbf though, while plenty of students etc dropped out, there was a hardcore group of permanent staff who'd been there years and genuinely put a shift in day and day out. They'd even have races .
He said whoever he replied to lives in the US for what its worth
Yea during lunch time you would look around the canteen and see loads of people with their hands in their faces.
TBH if it were an eight hour day you would put up with it. Pay was decent. Boring yes. But the 12 hour shift with every second week being the night shift was just soul destroying. It was basically work sleep work sleep.
I actually missed the semi final match against Barca when scholes scored the cracker because i was working in the factory.
British Growers Association.
BGA chief executive Jack Ward said he expected the ‘vast majority’ of seasonal workers this year will be British but that businesses cannot run ‘on enthusiasm alone’.
He said: ‘When you’re operating on the scale (that large food producers) are, you do need a few people around who know what they’re doing. ‘You just can’t run these businesses on enthusiasm alone.’ He said that, historically, a ‘significant proportion’ of pickers come from Eastern Europe and return year after year. ‘I think what that workforce provides is a bit of experience and know-how to mix in this year with the people who have never done this before,’ he said.
He added that crops are harvested 12 months of the year and the height of the season is from May to autumn. He said coronavirus restrictions could lift before the end of the season. ‘What we’ve got to be a little bit aware of is that when we get to, let’s say, July and we’re still absolutely flat out in the fresh produce industry, how many of the people who have volunteered have then returned to their original jobs,’ said Mr Ward. ‘I think what some farms are trying to do is balance what’s available today, what might be available in three months’ time or four months’ time, and the requirements of what is quite a long season. ‘I think they’re trying to cover every eventuality but I sense that this year the vast majority of seasonal workers will be from the UK. ‘The numbers you can get on a plane are almost insignificant compared with the total numbers that are needed.’ He said there had been a ‘terrific response’ to a campaign to recruit more British workers this year. ‘If anything we’ve been overwhelmed with offers of help,’ he said. ‘It’s been an amazing response.’ He said the asparagus season, which requires around 5,000 pickers across the UK, is just getting under way.
It is always easier to propagate the anti Brexit/Lazy Brit trope than look at the real picture including the difficulties in suddenly transferring 10'000's of workers and the inertia inherent within different employment sectors.
Not now, left Moscow mid-Feb. Looks like they are following New York. Huge city, tube has always been packed, people are not really disciplined. I am not even sure if Moscow has peaked yet.
Deaths are worryingly up today in Italy, with about two-thirds of the deaths being in Lombardia. New cases also up. We only eased the lockdown 2 days ago so it's too soon for that to be the reason, but I suspect people were moving around more in anticipation of the May 4th easing.
I believe Conte has said that they will re-impose the lockdown on a regional basis if things get bad again.
I believe Conte has said that they will re-impose the lockdown on a regional basis if things get bad again.
Almost as if an early lockdown works
Who would have thunk it?
413 hospital deaths
The problem with a lot of the fruit picking jobs in the UK is that the farmers only allow workers that will live on site permanently through the season in static caravans, about 4 to a Van. They then deduct board from the workers wages leaving them with little take home pay. It works for Eastern European’s because the cost of living is so much lower in their home countries. It’s farmers gaming FoM.
A lot of Brits rejected those farm jobs this summer because they were not allowed to travel to site independently to avoid have their wages halved or whatever through the board.
Before FoM housewives from local towns used to pick the fruit, they were collected daily by a coach in the nearest towns etc.
All this means that the price of Strawberries has barely risen for a long time.