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SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Good news, but it will likely take another 2-3 months to actually get the results of clinical trials. Until them, remdesivir seems to be the most effective drug (though it is not working near as good as what researchers hoped for).
Anyone feel like they’ve been living in a bubble the last few weeks? I see a lot less news when I’m not working which means I’ve kind of lost track of what’s going on. It’s got to the point where I’m starting to feel guilty for not going into work even though I’m self employed and not getting paid. Pretty sure I’m off next week and then we’ll see. Isn’t next week the last week of the latest shutdown so there may be relaxations? How are the positive cases/death numbers going?
Agreed.
In Australia it is Old People's homes, hospitals with a single meat packing plant as well. Almost all have been traced back to the Diamond Princess that dropped a large number of infected people without quarantine in Sydney a few weeks ago.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...r-lose-unemployment-benefits-2020-4?r=US&IR=T
All these backward states are frothing to reopen. They couldn't give two shits about the health of their people, they just want to kick people off unemployment. Also McConnell is trying to give corporations liability protections to force workers back. That country is going to explode with cases.
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Does anyone have a good guess why Western European countries have been doing so much worse than Eastern European countries?
They got a smaller dose of virus in late Feb-early March. The most important factor in all these comparisons. I mean, surely fecking Belarus tells you that? Their leader still denies corona is even an issue.
Why did New Jersey do so much better than New York?
Why did Massachusetts do even better still?
Also, why is that Belgium number on the map so incorrect?
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Italy and Spain still have to release their large numbers of care home deaths and UK probably has more. It was estimated 40k deaths in Italy a long while back but sheer amount of backlog means it takes time to go through it all. Barcelona for Spain have 3500 not yet added.
Locations like prisons, care homes and ships are easy to understand in this context.
But meat packing plants - why? A single site seems easy to understand, but what makes/made these sites so hazardous? The obvious things that could impact it like pay/sickpay/health insurance and even proximity would seem to apply to other workplaces. Is it because of their size or is it some other environmental/chemical/other factor?
Does anyone have a good guess why Western European countries have been doing so much worse than Eastern European countries? Especially considering that they have a significantly better medical system.
Also, it is surprising to see the massive difference between Latvia and Lithuania/Estonia, as is that between Slovenia and Czech Republic.
Slavs are just tougher.
You can't space employees out, because the nature of the job doesn't allow it. No-one can work from home and there's constant pressure to keep the lines running because Americans eat so much meat. The people who work in the plants are primarily those who would already be at higher-risk, because of socio-economic disadvantages. Many meat packing plants have a history of poor working conditions and low pay.
The push to keep operating at full capacity is exacerbated by pressure from farmers who run super-huge battery farms, where the animals have a very short life from birth to slaughter. If they can't move the animals along to slaughter, they have to "depopulate" the farms - euphemism for killing (not particularly humanely) large numbers of animals and poultry which can't then go into the food chain. It's hideous, really.
You wonder how some people get through their day if they are so suspicious of everything.
I would assume the low temperature inside has something to do with it, allowing the virus to survive longer.
My father-in-law is a radiologist in Lviv, Ukraine. Can’t have a case if you don’t have a positive test.
Does anyone have a good guess why Western European countries have been doing so much worse than Eastern European countries? Especially considering that they have a significantly better medical system.
Also, it is surprising to see the massive difference between Latvia and Lithuania/Estonia, as is that between Slovenia and Czech Republic.
There’a also less international travel to and from that part of the world, which may delay hotspots from developing there, and considering a lot of those countries did various forms of lockdown before even we did, that will buy them even more time.
That’s true, countries like Ukraine and Belarus can’t be trusted when it comes to testing amounts and numbers. However, baltic states implemented lockdowns in early March with pretty strict rules and fines, they also were checking temperatures and taking contacts of every person that came through the Airport since February. These 3 countries have been testing like crazy as well, Lithuania and Estonia have highest number of tests per head in the whole Europe (excluding the likes of Luxemburg, etc).
The Observer on care homes:
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ome-deaths-being-an-indictment-of-our-society
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ome-deaths-being-an-indictment-of-our-society
Maybe they’re the only “factory” still running as usual? It’s an odd one alright. Why not vegetable packing plants?!
Major source of clusters in Ireland too.
Article from CNN today on the possibility of not being able to make a vaccine and other vaccine related stuff if anyone wants to read :
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/03/health/coronavirus-vaccine-never-developed-intl/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/03/health/coronavirus-vaccine-never-developed-intl/index.html
Anyone else concerned this virus is making a class of ultra nationalists? Or has it just heightened the gammon?
You look at responses to tweets questioning our response or trying to identify the truth, from either left or right wing sources and it's terrifying.
I've seen journalists called treacherous for explaining the testing figure. Seen people actually say they don't care about truth they just want journalists to support the government. Journalists attacked because what do they do and at least Boris is trying.
There's an undercurrent of actually welcoming propaganda because they prefer the patriotic ideal they've been sold to truth or reality.
You look at responses to tweets questioning our response or trying to identify the truth, from either left or right wing sources and it's terrifying.
I've seen journalists called treacherous for explaining the testing figure. Seen people actually say they don't care about truth they just want journalists to support the government. Journalists attacked because what do they do and at least Boris is trying.
There's an undercurrent of actually welcoming propaganda because they prefer the patriotic ideal they've been sold to truth or reality.
Does anyone have a good guess why Western European countries have been doing so much worse than Eastern European countries? Especially considering that they have a significantly better medical system.
Also, it is surprising to see the massive difference between Latvia and Lithuania/Estonia, as is that between Slovenia and Czech Republic.
From Estonia here, we managed to feck up ona few things. Firstly, we have a far-right party in the government and the minister of interior from the sod party downplayed the virus in early march. Just a week before then U-turn that saw a national state of emergency declared. Then you also had idiots ignoring the advice and took the virus to elderly care homes where a lot of people died. And finally, a volley ball team from our biggest island hosted a team from north of Italy in the end of February and basically the entire island was quarantined and a military hospital had to be set up to make more room for the covid patients. Seems the worse is over now, though. At one point we were in top 10 of cases per 100 000 in Europe, but we've had less than 10 new cases per day for a last couple of days.
They have charts and lists of patients who have had tests and who haven't. They have access to stock levels in their hospitals of kits. Doctors in the NHS generally connect between each other and have almost daily conference calls to discuss what is happening across different hospitals.
I think these people always exist sadly (and in all countries). They're just more visible than ever with social media and are more vocal due to it being a genuine crisis. Sadly, criticism of governments is often frowned upon I guess while the crisis is still going on?
I imagine its part of the reason Starmer hasn't gone in too hard just yet on Boris and why even Sturgeon etc aren't being overly critical just yet. I think people won't look kindly on attempts to 'politicise' this situation, rightly or wrongly.
And some don't want to hear anything bad about their country full stop and will think the sun shines out of its ass.
We share a border with Italy, who I believe is also our largest trade partner (or it might be jut behind Germany). A significant amount of people work in Italy (although paradoxically the regions closest to the border were the least effected, a decent number of municipalities are yet to have a confirmed case) and there was a significant amount of border crossing even at the height of the epidemic. We also have a very high median age (7th highest in the world, according to Wikipedia). We were never getting out of this unscathed, but so far this we've managed to get the best case scenario.
Does anyone have a good guess why Western European countries have been doing so much worse than Eastern European countries? Especially considering that they have a significantly better medical system.
Also, it is surprising to see the massive difference between Latvia and Lithuania/Estonia, as is that between Slovenia and Czech Republic.
Slovenia has also been counting all deaths, including the ones in care home facilities (which is a significant portion of them), so that might contribute to the relatively high number.
E: Today we've had no new confirmed cases for the first time since the 3rd of March.
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Maybe if they could smoke the vaccine they will be alright with it.
How about vaccine tipped bullets?
Professor Ian Diamond on Andrew Marr reckons the current UK figures are a good ‘starting point’ now with care home deaths added. He doesn’t think the UK will be the worst affected in Europe because he feels the reporting here is among the better in Europe and other countries have a lot to add. Something to do with how death registrations work or something. He’s sceptical of the FT’s projections and thinks 60% is too much to add to the UK’s current figures but wouldn’t commit to a guesstimate.
Also said that there will be a lag of indirect excess deaths in the next 3 years for people that can’t get diagnosed with cancer and so on because of the diversion of resources in the NHS.
Also heard a care home operator on the radio and he said that care home deaths are a threat to the sector because most need 80% capacity to stay afloat. The idea that less old people takes pressure off the system isn’t true because they are private businesses needing turnover to meet overheads.
Also said that there will be a lag of indirect excess deaths in the next 3 years for people that can’t get diagnosed with cancer and so on because of the diversion of resources in the NHS.
Also heard a care home operator on the radio and he said that care home deaths are a threat to the sector because most need 80% capacity to stay afloat. The idea that less old people takes pressure off the system isn’t true because they are private businesses needing turnover to meet overheads.
Nothing new though, right? This is just the same gimps who have been waging war on every tweet about Brexit but now they have a new hobby.
It's getting warmer here and we're starting to see the first mosquitoes of the year. So much for social distancing with these little feckers about.
Fearful Britons remain strongly opposed to lifting lockdown
State coronavirus cases top 35,000 as South Florida death toll reaches 769
https://this.kiji.is/629464064747242593?c=592622757532812385
https://this.kiji.is/629464064747242593?c=592622757532812385
It seems like it’s a further blow to globalisation and liberalism after brexit and the election. People and countries are becoming more introverted and there’s a lot of “look what’s going on over there”, type attitudes. That’s compounded by the travel bans and the utter destruction of the aviation industry. Whether than gives rise to increased nationalism or just makes people more vocal, we don’t know yet
Re: last paragraph.
If there was less demand, and a number of the private care homes went under, it would consolidate the existing demand into the remaining care homes. It might not be nice for the ones that go bust but it would reduce the pressure on the sector overall
Give it a couple of weeks, and you might have to revisit this question.
Fair point indeed. It would leave a lot of people unemployed too though.