SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

SteveJ said:
Isn't it a problem having Johnson - whose entire public image is about positivity and optimism (read: mindless cheer-leading & jingoism) - in charge of a decision about ending the lockdown?
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What could possibly go wrong?
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Doesn't matter. Cummings's minions are spamming the Beeb comments so the narrative will be "shut up, they've done it because the numbers say so" now we'll move on and any reference to this failing in the future will be brushed off with some bullshit soundbite. Politicians aren't held to account for feck all nowadays, and they rarely were in the past
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Sick and tired of how everyone reports it as well. They say the Government has met the target showing Matt Hancock saying it then inserting a brief mention about challenging the figures. The brain dead sheep will believe the figures have been met.
 
TMDaines said:
Honestly, these recent posts have been some of the most cringeworthy in the 800 pages so far. Can you just think of some of the implications of what you are suggesting and generate sustainable solutions for the inevitable wide-scale problems you would create? Even the Conservatives are at least far more aware of how interconnected the modern world is – and with great benefits for the vast majority.

Golden Blunder could well be a nickname for Trump and that’s exactly who you are channelling here.
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Australia imposed 14 days hotel quarantine on every single international and interstate travellers and banned non-Australian residents/citizens. It worked really well - under 100 dead in total and now only a handful of new infections daily with community transmission almost eliminated (only 1 case the other day). Cost a fortune of course.

What GB suggested was spot on. And the irony he pointed out re Brexit and our total lack of consideration for enforcing them during a pandemic is also on point.
 
TheGame said:
Sick and tired of how everyone reports it as well. They say the Government has met the target showing Matt Hancock saying it then inserting a brief mention about challenging the figures. The brain dead sheep will believe the figures have been met.
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Yeah, they dumb down the challenging in the article and yet the commenters say "this is proof that the Beeb are Labour supporters" whit you on aboot ya dafties
 
Balljy said:
What's happened to 25 to 64 year olds?
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It's all here and isn't hugely different for that age group.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/health/survey-results/daily/2020/05/01/39a7a/1

I'm not sure if I agree with adding the strongly support and somewhat support together into one figure as they do in the tweet but it's clear most aren't coming out against continuing the lockdown.

I feel asking someone if they somewhat agree/disagreewith something is a bit wishy washy and isn't very definitive.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
They concluded that people have been testing positive after previously testing negative because they’re getting viral debris (rather than live viruses) on the swab. Presumably part of the healing process involves damaged cells breaking down and releasing loads of bits and pieces of dead virus.

Tells us feck all about whether they’re immune or not, unfortunately. Basically the headline is massively misleading.
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Good post. Spinning an old story just for clicks
 
It does suggest that the cases around the world were most likely not re-infections but either a relapse or this.. dead cells that were leading to a false positive.

Doesnt account for every case globally.. but a positive sign.

Doesnt prove immunity.. and even if someone is immune, we dont know how long the antibodies stay in the person.. months.. years.. we'll have to wait and see.
 
RK said:
Slight tangent, but any ideas why Singapore has such a low number of reported deaths vs reported cases? 16 from 17,101.
They're a massive outlier at the moment.

Edit: Qatar too I suppose.
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Cases in community are low and are mostly limited to foreign worker dormitories, most of whom work in construction and thus are fitter and healthier. The government screwed up with the awful living conditions for these workers which precipitated the spread, it is pretty much out of control now but they have locked these dorms down compared to the wider community where restrictions are not as tight. Similar for Qatar if I were to hazard a guess.
 
What seems to be the plan in Ireland with vulnerable people.

It's not quite clear from reading the document, despite the aims listing providing clear information for vulnerable groups :lol:

I'm expecting it to get extended for those groups, but wondering just how long they intend to keep the vulnerable locked up for.
 
Withnail said:
Hang on. We've done very well so far, and I don't see what's so wrong about learning from the experiences of other countries. Best practice is to analyse what has and hasn't worked for others in similar situations and to act accordingly.

We seem to have a logical plan and it's quite likely we'll have to take a backwards step here or there.
However, given each stage is set at three weeks then it's got that margin for error built in so we can gauge how the situation develops.

How you can say we've jumped on Boris's bandwagon when they've clearly been behind us on this thing at every stage is bizarre.
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We closed schools ahead of them, that's it. This mythh about us being proactive is just that, a myth.
 
P-Nut said:
What seems to be the plan in Ireland with vulnerable people.

It's not quite clear from reading the document, despite the aims listing providing clear information for vulnerable groups :lol:

I'm expecting it to get extended for those groups, but wondering just how long they intend to keep the vulnerable locked up for.
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I have a few friends in England who fall into the "elderly but really healthy and active" group. I think there could have been some gradual differentiation when it comes to older people. I've mentioned before my friend who's over 70 but runs a 5k every single morning, and I have another friend in her late 70s who cycles, swims and plays badminton every day. They're both slim with no health conditions.

It's illogical to be telling them to stay inside all the time, it's worse for their mental health than their physical health.
 
Shakesey said:
Wow... In SA I'd venture it's 71% oppose and 29% support.
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Here in Australia there is appetite for small scale reductions in lock down but no call for rapid change and we only have 10-15 new infections per day and no cases of untraced community transmission for a few days - all in 4 known places - 2 old people's homes, 1 hospital and 1 now closed meat factory.
 
Comparatively quiet Mayday yesterday. Berlin and Hamburg saw the biggest demonstrations with 700 and 1000 participants respectively, led by far left groups. There was some violence (bottles and firecrackers were thrown) but in the end police were able to contain the situation. The usual stuff.

At least, some of them were wearing masks :D

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There is a video here: https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Randale-in-Hamburg-und-Berlin-article21753829.html
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
While on the one hand that Ireland roap map looks logical, on the other hand, the fact they are hoping to open up work and business fully by October basically means that by next summer Ireland is going to be hitting the third-world-European ranks alongside the likes of Moldova and such.

If this is actually the plans being set out by developed European countries (it isn't, of course - see every other country exiting lockdown as an example) who have an in-context tiny amount of covid-19 deaths, goodbye Europe.

Luckily, this is worst-case-scenario nonsense that will be fast-tracked by a month or two at each stage as it becomes clear that there's no other way but to do so.
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DomesticTadpole said:
Who has been banned?
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This guy for posting drivel
 
cyberman said:
We closed schools ahead of them, that's it. This mythh about us being proactive is just that, a myth.
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What are you talking about?

There was more than schools closed. We were in the containment phase from March 12th.

I was working from home on govt advice and we'd already cancelled Paddy's Day while the UK allowed Cheltenham to go ahead.
 
Withnail said:
What are you talking about?

There was more than schools closed. We were in the containment phase from March 12th.

I was working from home on govt advice and we'd already cancelled Paddy's Day while the UK allowed Cheltenham to go ahead.
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Yea ireland was well ahead of the uk because it was causing issues in the north
 
esmufc07 said:
Surprised it’s that high to be honest
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I posted the link to the you gov poll earlier in the thread.

It is as high as that if you add together the somewhat support and strongly support figures.

Although if it was a straight Support/Don't Support question the figures might be different.
 
cyberman said:
We closed schools ahead of them, that's it. This mythh about us being proactive is just that, a myth.
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That’s just not true. We took multiple proactive steps before them. I remember because we were getting more stringent advice than the mother-in-law in England at the time, and it was driving us bonkers that she was still going into London etc because they hadn’t been told otherwise
 
I have quite a few friends who are doctors and they all say that the media and government are straight up lying to people. There are no where near 100,000 tests being done. There's barely 40,000.

The propoganda machine here is just as bad as anywhere else.
 
mancan92 said:
I have quite a few friends who are doctors and they all say that the media and government are straight up lying to people. There are no where near 100,000 tests being done. There's barely 40,000.

The propoganda machine here is just as bad as anywhere else.
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Haven't they admitted that they are including test that have been sent out in the post as well, but not yet done? They are definitely manipulating the figures to make themselves look good.
 
golden_blunder said:
That’s just not true. We took multiple proactive steps before them. I remember because we were getting more stringent advice than the mother-in-law in England at the time, and it was driving us bonkers that she was still going into London etc because they hadn’t been told otherwise
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Boris was advising away until his heart was content, he was telling the public not go to to clubs etc for a while before they closed it down. The advice was there, its the actions that count.
I just have an overall problem with how this was handled from the start. There were calls for special protection of care homes that were ignored, there had to be a public outcry to cancel Paddys Day and the pubs themselves etc etc. Leo was even out in America in anticipation of it. We thundered ahead with closures and speeches while in discussion with NI, not informing them about our actions and pissing them off to the point an all island plan was abandoned and proclaiming our pokiticians to be grandstanding
We arent even performing that well per capita, we just spent the first few months condescendingly laughing at Boris and Trump while doing little ourselves to the point we were blaming nurses for not washing their hands for the entire spread and the UK even went into lockdown before us. Our early assessment has as many goof soundbites as the other countries that are so called struggling.
Our governent, by and large, doesnt act until theres a demand for it. Face masks is the next demand that theyll give in to.
I just think its all a bit of a myth and im rambling a bit but the difference between us and UK is their government were voted into power and ours want to work their way back in. Thats why they give into public outcries which seems proactive on the surface but thats all it is.
 
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