SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

One Night Only said:
Positive tests are staying roughly the same ?
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Makes sense surely? Testing has been ramped up. I still think it's a bit disconcerting though that probably 99.5% of the population have been abiding by the rules for over a month and we are where we are. I would have expected more improvement than what we are seeing at present. Those flouters you see on the news are a literal miniscule representative of the UK population.
But then you've got Whitty spouting contagion figures not too far off Germany's. Something doesn't make sense here, feck knows what it is, but something doesn't add up.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
Makes sense surely? Testing has been ramped up. I still think it's a bit disconcerting though that probably 99.5% of the population have been abiding by the rules for over a month and we are where we are. I would have expected more improvement than what we are seeing at present. Those flouters you see on the news are a literal miniscule representative of the UK population.
But then you've got Whitty spouting contagion figures not too far off Germany's. Something doesn't make sense here, feck knows what it is, but something doesn't add up.
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Yeah I thought about the higher testing after I posted.
 
berbatrick said:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...ce-ferocious-rampage-through-body-brain-toes#

very scary article
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Thanks for that. Finally some additional analysis on the virus other than wash your hands for 20 seconds.

As everyone probably knows by now, my daughter has had covid for over 6 weeks. It's now moved to affecting her head (pain, dizziness and confusion). Yesterday she must have got up too quickly from bed, she reported dizziness to me then passed out for a few seconds in the bathroom. I told her to take deep breaths and she was back to normal. No repeat instance of passing out but this covid is a right bastard and this article covers a lot of valid points.

As we only understand about 20% of this virus talking about a vaccine or cure is too premature.
 
Dumbstar said:
Thanks for that. Finally some additional analysis on the virus other than wash your hands for 20 seconds.

As everyone probably knows by now, my daughter has had covid for over 6 weeks. It's now moved to affecting her head (pain, dizziness and confusion). Yesterday she must have got up too quickly from bed, she reported dizziness to me then passed out for a few seconds in the bathroom. I told her to take deep breaths and she was back to normal. No repeat instance of passing out but this covid is a right bastard and this article covers a lot of valid points.

As we only understand about 20% of this virus talking about a vaccine or cure is too premature.
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6weeks?
The more I hear about this, the more I'm convinced this is a man made virus. I'm starting to think it's accidentally escaped from a lab. It's 'too perfect'. It's unpredictable, undetectable for long enough to make it lethally contagious and it doesn't seem to behave like other viruses of its ilk
It feels 'tampered with' to me.
 
Dumbstar said:
Thanks for that. Finally some additional analysis on the virus other than wash your hands for 20 seconds.

As everyone probably knows by now, my daughter has had covid for over 6 weeks. It's now moved to affecting her head (pain, dizziness and confusion). Yesterday she must have got up too quickly from bed, she reported dizziness to me then passed out for a few seconds in the bathroom. I told her to take deep breaths and she was back to normal. No repeat instance of passing out but this covid is a right bastard and this article covers a lot of valid points.

As we only understand about 20% of this virus talking about a vaccine or cure is too premature.
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That's scary man, hope the poor thing recovers as quickly as possible but I would definitely try and get her to hospital for your own sanity.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
6weeks?
The more I hear about this, the more I'm convinced this is a man made virus. I'm starting to think it's accidentally escaped from a lab. It's 'too perfect'. It's unpredictable, undetectable for long enough to make it lethally contagious and it doesn't seem to behave like other viruses of its ilk
It feels 'tampered with' to me.
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Michael Osterholm was asked this and he said the opposite. That the virus is too good to be manufactured in a lab. Man is no match for nature, not yet, according to him.
 
Brownie85 said:
It's forecast for rain for the next week at least, so lets see how many people still go out for exercise when there is no sun. I'm pretty sure if the weather was rather crappy for the past 30 days, there would be far less people out and about doing 'exercise'.
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of course there will be. Unless you’re an extremely dedicated athlete you’re obviously going to exercise less in the pouring rain and cold than in pleasant dry weather. It’s the main reason we have 10 million gym memberships in the UK
 
Devil_forever said:
I don’t ever post ITK stuff, but this has been relayed to me by someone who has the inside track on this, here goes:

Oxford Vaccine trial volunteers experiencing more side effects than expected apparently. Chris Witty apparently wasn’t very optimistic about how it’s looking so far, is what I’ve been told. I’m sure this will leak eventually and honestly I’ll take a permanent ban if it turns out to be bullshit.

I’d be happy to PM the mods as to who I’ve got this from.
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Oh dear, not good news. Hopefully some of the other trials happening around the world will show better progress.
 
Stanley Road said:
People in NL decided for themselves all is again safe, packed shopping streets. I hope they get what they deserve.

Our neighbours son got a 400 euro fine this weekend for breaking the group and distancing rule, cant say I'm disappointed. We need more fines please.
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If you think that people worldwide will stay home for a year plus, you are up for a rude awakening.
 
Brownie85 said:
It's forecast for rain for the next week at least, so lets see how many people still go out for exercise when there is no sun. I'm pretty sure if the weather was rather crappy for the past 30 days, there would be far less people out and about doing 'exercise'.
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Do you literally need someone to tell you that water is wet?
 
Brownie85 said:
It's forecast for rain for the next week at least, so lets see how many people still go out for exercise when there is no sun. I'm pretty sure if the weather was rather crappy for the past 30 days, there would be far less people out and about doing 'exercise'.
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Never got why people get so outraged over that? What the hell is wrong with people wanting to get fresh air and natural light?
 
How likely is 'round two' of the virus when lockdowns are eased? I just have this vision of things returning to some semblance of normality for a month before the virus flares up again. I'm wondering if people would be able to put up with another lockdown so soon after the first.
 
Irwin99 said:
How likely is 'round two' of the virus when lockdowns are eased? I just have this vision of things returning to some semblance of normality for a month before the virus flares up again. I'm wondering if people would be able to put up with another lockdown so soon after the first.
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depends how normal, if pubs and venues for general gathering reopen then it will definitely spike hard, if it's, like, "okay, you can go your friends house once a month" you will have more cases but might avoid hard spikes.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Well done for being just as wrong now, after giving yourself 5 weeks of research time between posts.

Use the conspiracy thread.
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So I listen to people like yourself, ostensibly football fans, who post the sum of their their knowledge on a football website, or I listen to a Nobel Prizxe winning Scientist.

Hmmmm.....Let me think....
 
Full bodied red said:
So I listen to people like yourself, ostensibly football fans, who post the sum of their their knowledge on a football website, or I listen to a Nobel Prizxe winning Scientist.

Hmmmm.....Let me think....
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Hang on. Might owe you an apology. What’s your position here?

That the Nobel fella from Japan believes it’s man made?

Feel I may have the wrong end of the stick.
 
Hugh Jass said:
Michael Osterholm was asked this and he said the opposite. That the virus is too good to be manufactured in a lab. Man is no match for nature, not yet, according to him.
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I see!

Dancfc said:
Never got why people get so outraged over that? What the hell is wrong with people wanting to get fresh air and natural light?
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Yeah it's a pet peeve of mine. Do it's okay for YOU to go there but not for anyone else. It's like when you go to some famous tourist attraction and some pretentious cnut is moaning about there being too many tourists around. Uhhhhh you are a tourist yourself you pretentious cnut.

"I hate that all these other people want to see the amazing thing that I want to see."
 
Silva said:
depends how normal, if pubs and venues for general gathering reopen then it will definitely spike hard, if it's, like, "okay, you can go your friends house once a month" you will have more cases but might avoid hard spikes.
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Would people listen to that though? If lockdown was eased, how many would see that as a green light to organise a bit meet up with quite a few friends and a lot of alcohol? Of course that's probably happening now, but still.

It's like if the Premier League goes ahead behind closed doors, but free to watch on TV, would that result in big groups getting together due to no pubs being open to show it?
 
260 deaths reported today in Italy, the lowest number since March 14th.

Tonight Conte holds a press conference to announce the details of Phase 2, it looks like we'll be able to move around more from May 4th albeit with a permissions form and masks. Looking forward to the details, it's been a long time since we left the village at all.
 
Brownie85 said:
Would people listen to that though? If lockdown was eased, how many would see that as a green light to organise a bit meet up with quite a few friends and a lot of alcohol? Of course that's probably happening now, but still.

It's like if the Premier League goes ahead behind closed doors, but free to watch on TV, would that result in big groups getting together due to no pubs being open to show it?
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You are right but if lockdown ended in October,these same concerns apply. Same as if it was January. Same conversations being had behind closed governmental doors. They will be basing it on how much different will it be in July compared to October, in terms of casualties against economic destruction. If it's negligible difference, they'll go for July to salvage something of the economy. If this virus is going nowhere we need to live with it, npt hide from it indefinitely because that'll leave us with nothing to return to.
 
Penna said:
260 deaths reported today in Italy, the lowest number since March 14th.

Tonight Conte holds a press conference to announce the details of Phase 2, it looks like we'll be able to move around more from May 4th albeit with a permissions form and masks. Looking forward to the details, it's been a long time since we left the village at all.
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Awesome to hear!
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
I'd be very for this. I think it's much more helpful and we'd generally see a slight improvement every week. I'm one of those who wants these daily briefings gone as well.

I'd prefer a the every Fri after work giving the weekly total up to 4pm that same day. With 1-2 more briefings from Sun-Fri. These daily repetitions are becoming an annoyance and the daily fluctuation of numbers are messing with some people's heads and mental well-being. It's too much up and down on a daily basis, summarise it every week.
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If they srcap the daily briefings people will take that as a sign the government thinks it isnt a bad as when they brought them in. They'll start to flaunt social distancing rules even moreso
 
Devil_forever said:
I don’t ever post ITK stuff, but this has been relayed to me by someone who has the inside track on this, here goes:

Oxford Vaccine trial volunteers experiencing more side effects than expected apparently. Chris Witty apparently wasn’t very optimistic about how it’s looking so far, is what I’ve been told. I’m sure this will leak eventually and honestly I’ll take a permanent ban if it turns out to be bullshit.

I’d be happy to PM the mods as to who I’ve got this from.
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Well reading that has ruined my evening.
 
Heardy said:
I did wonder that but as interest still accrues in the three months I figured you’d be in a net negative if you just paid that lump sum afterwards. Could be wrong though.
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Its different for everyone, im furloughed on 80 percent, but due to social distancing and not spending money on anything except essentials, im saving more than the 20 percent i was losing.

30 percent of my salary a month went to me, restaurants, take out, nights out, cinema, diesel, clothes, lunch at work etc. which im saving virtually in full now.

My savings bank balance has increased more per month than it used to by about 10 percent of my salary.
 
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arnie_ni said:
If they srcap the daily briefings people will take that as a sign the government thinks it isnt a bad as when they brought them in. They'll start to flaunt social distancing rules even moreso
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Yeah I get you. I know where you're coming from but they are still completely pointless. I will script tomorrow's for you, just off tje top of my head:

- Boris thanks the NHS really earnestly while staring down the camera and appearing 'just like us'.
- Social distancing and the lockdown is working but its too early to think about exiting.
- We shouldn't expect a sudden drop, its a marathon not a sprint.
- We thank everyone for behaving but this must continue.
- We have flattened the curve but the hard work continues.
- There IS enough PPE.
- (Journalist 1) - "when is lockdown ending?"
- (Journalist 2) - "where is the PPE?"
- Briefing closes.

Its the pits, its insulting our intelligence now, it was very useful at the beginning.


redshaw said:
France

Hospital
+152 dead, 12,202 total

Care home
+90 dead, 8654 total
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I know its a Sunday but those are good numbers for France.
 
I know the mathematically challenged woman is going to steal everyone's attention, but the guy in a hazmat suit with the "Covid-19 is a lie" poster is just as funny.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
Yeah I get you. I know where you're coming from but they are still completely pointless. I will script tomorrow's for you, just off tje top of my head:

- Boris thanks the NHS really earnestly while staring down the camera and appearing 'just like us'.
- Social distancing and the lockdown is working but its too early to think about exiting.
- We shouldn't expect a sudden drop, its a marathon not a sprint.
- We thank everyone for behaving but this must continue.
- We have flattened the curve but the hard work continues.
- There IS enough PPE.
- (Journalist 1) - "when is lockdown ending?"
- (Journalist 2) - "where is the PPE?"
- Briefing closes.

Its the pits, its insulting our intelligence now, it was very useful at the beginning.





I know its a Sunday but those are good numbers for France.
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Oh i agree at this stage they're pointless,.i stopped watching after the first couple of weeks.

Its just about appearances at this stage
 
arnie_ni said:
Its different for everyone, im furloughed on 80 percent, but due to social distancing and not spending money on anything except essentials, im saving more than the 20 percent i was losing.

30 percent of my salary a month went to me, restaurants, take out, nights out, cinema, diesel, clothes, lunch at work etc. which im saving virtually in full now.

My savings bank balance has increased more per month than it used to by about 10 percent of my salary.
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sorry by net negative I meant that by taking a mortgage holiday for three Months but then making a lump payment at the end will be disadvantageous / cost you more.
 
Israel preparing to ease the lockdown, some interesting measures:











 
2cents said:
Israel preparing to ease the lockdown, some interesting measures:











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It's very thorough, as to be expected from Israel. It's interests me for other reasons, which I won't go into (personal reasons). It's good to see they're moving forward with a clear, concise plan and seem very confident in that plan. Jordan is also interesting, to me. They've also handled it so well that the government is currently aiming for lifting travel bans at the end of May (obviously, barring some unpredicted catastrophe).
 
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