It was breaking news on BBC news 24 just now. Don't know if that was just England or whole of U.K though.
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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It was breaking news on BBC news 24 just now. Don't know if that was just England or whole of U.K though.
Heh. Up until a decade or so ago, it was part of the common child vaccine program in Norway. Nearly everyone got it at around 14. Probably wore off by now, though.
That's interesting. Old people (maybe the 75+ age group) won't have routinely had BCG as teenagers. I had it when I entered nursing and later worked as a midwife in a city where there was active TB. My heaf test mark became prominent more than once, which showed something was reacting to something.
If it is just England, Scotland/Wales/NI don't usually contribute a huge number so you'd expect this to be a total just under 700 or similar. Would be great if we could see another drop tomorrow.
BCG vaccine is a once a lifetime vaccination according to what I have heard.
Updated graph of deaths in England by day of death. Reported deaths were 778, 6 fewer than Saturday. Pretty confident we're on the slide now.
Orange is a 5 day trailing average. Last 5-7 days will see large to moderate upward changes:
Updated graph of deaths in England by day of death. Reported deaths were 665, 113 fewer than yesterday. Orange is a 5 day trailing average. Last 5-7 days will see large to moderate upward changes:
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Correction it seems now, 759 in UK.
I agree. Given there's a bank holiday in last week of May I think we'll see another two week extension up to then with perhaps a few more garden shops opened up.
Start of June is the critical point really seeing as the 12 week stay at home message for over 70s will be close to expiring.
Bad numbers man, for a Wednesday.
It looks like the UK might be down from its peak and now we're plateauing.
Yeah, any research outcomes is useful at this moment I agree. The scientific data obtained could be used as a basis to inform other investigations, even if BCG itself may not provide a viable solution as a cure/vaccine due to its rarity.
Let's hope your right. It's hard not to get demoralised by these high daily numbers, I sometimes lose track of the bigger picture such as this.
The data in England appears to show there is already a decline (see the post above) so there is light at the end of the tunnel.
EDIT: Fixed link.
Aren’t there going to be high numbers in the UK for a few more weeks as the lag from care homes etc catches up?
Dont say that. That was my hope in a hanging snor
The first official US death from COVID19 has been moved back 3 weeks to Feb. 6. Maybe those anecdotes of people thinking they might’ve had early have some merit? Though a lot that will just be paranoia and cognitive bias I suppose.
CNN link
CNN link
How can anyone take UK figures seriously when they exclude deaths outside of hospitals?
Even then, a lifting of lockdowns will result in the virus spreading again.
It took 1 person to infect the world, what do you think will happen with thousands carrying the infection in the UK?-
Even then, a lifting of lockdowns will result in the virus spreading again.
It took 1 person to infect the world, what do you think will happen with thousands carrying the infection in the UK?-
Will lockdown continue into June at this rate?
I got the BCG in school - was this not standard for most people for many years? Perhaps this was just in NI? I honestly don't know.
In Seattle they've been retrospectively testing a load of blood samples for covid that were collected from people with viral illnesses in December/Jamuary, with absolutely nothing turning up. Which makes sense. Covid has a really different clinical picture to flu, so an ongoing outbreak for a couple of months before the first official cases couldn't have gone under the radar.
Government in power surely? SNP like having their NHS intact.
I was thinking more like February, possible cases before official ones were commonly reported in the area.
ignoring the actual total, it at least shows that we seem to be at peak and now heading back downwards. it's a good sign. but yes, it's only the beginning still. long way to go over the next 12-24 months.
France trialling nicotine patches for healthcare staff.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-smokers-at-lower-risk-of-getting-coronavirus
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-smokers-at-lower-risk-of-getting-coronavirus
Swap tobacco for cannabis and I would agree. (THC/CBD > Nicotine)
Show me one stoner who have contracted Covid-19... Just one.
If that's what it takes, so be it.
Problem with the daily date of death figures is while we're passed the peak, in the next week(s) they'll be adding more to today, this week and last week and filling in those gaps more, those bars or plots on the graphs will rise. Italy has gone sideways for 17 days at the 400-600 range. We might have a 500-700+ range for the next few weeks and overtake Italy's total. A lot of recent positive tested cases from those ~5.5k a day are yet to unfold.
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Imagine if it was found that smoking fags or doobies made you immune.
I guess that’s possible. Also Seattle isn’t representative of the whole of the US! I’d need to dig out the paper to check.
Just talking to friends in hospitals, though, they really don’t buy the idea it’s been around any longer than the official estimate. Young people ending up intensive care from pneumonia - without testing postive for any of the usual respiratory pathogens - is an incredibly unusual thing to happen but is a regular occurrence since the first official cases were reported.
Tbf, there are multiple teams of scientists who think 12-18 months is much more realistic than 6, and even for that, they urge caution. There is also the fact that the vaccines take 10-15 years to be developed.
Oxford’s team is also not the leading team on this. Moderna from Boston is the leader, and they produced a vaccine two months ago (I am not sure that Oxford’s super optimistic team has even developed the vaccine yet), and administered it on humans a month ago or so. The 12-18 months or so delay is more about doing intensive (though somehow rushed) testing, rather than developing the vaccine. There are already multiple vaccines that seem to be working fine.
What Oxford’s team is proposing looks to me to essentially skip the testing. Which can be dangerous for mass vaccinations and it will likely not get the green permit. And to be fair, I think that they have been advocating to start administering it in doctors and medical staff on fall, not on general population.
I’m sure there are plenty. There’s actually some real evidence that nicotine might be protective. Zero evidence that THC/CBD protects.
It would be nightmare if hard liquor was the antidote.
Nicotine is basically a poison so I wouldn't be overly surprised if this is true.
I would have a few friends that would be the most immune people in Ireland if that was the case.
You sure based on what? Show me the numbers.
How many cannabis daily smokers are sick?
Based on Italy (heavy nicotine consumers), I can safely deduce that nicotine does nothing to save you.
It was in the UK until recently I believe. I never had it because the skin test thing said I was naturally immune. Hope it was right!
Something weird happened with the English mortality data. There used to be a single case that was dated to before 1st March, but that's now been removed. Is it possible they'd be updating death certs from February this late on?